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 Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Hunts_With_Stick]
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07/18/09 04:34 AM
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I think it's stupid. If my kid wants to shoot a whitetail that has a 5 inch spread then he should be able to, if you cant' tell a kid he can shoot the first deer that he wants to then he's gonna get bored and not want to come back. Try teaching a 5 year old the idea of growing bigger bucks, goodluck. All that is important to him is going and all that is important to me is letting him do it.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Curly]
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07/18/09 04:43 AM
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I haven't told this story before but we had a first time deer hunter kill a 13 point last year on our lease. One of the first counties to go under the manditory AR. I went with him to recover the buck. The guy was was walking on air. When we walked up to the buck, with all the points it had on it's rack, the width looked questionable. We got back to camp, measured it and it was too narrow by 1 inch. He was sick to his stomach. That guy went from feeling like the king of the world to feeling like total crap. He threatened to quit hunting he was so depressed. Seeing him go from totally excited and happy to totally down in the dumps in a matter of minutes was total BS in my book. He called the GW and he let it slide but it didn't help the guy feel any better since he knew he shot a 13 point illegal buck. That sucked.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Lawki]
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07/18/09 05:53 AM
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can you post a link to this info on the TPW page please?
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i cant find that NO WHERE on TPWD
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: hoggwilde]
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07/18/09 06:41 AM
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/18/09 06:54 AM
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I see alot of Tall/Narrow young bucks on my camera. Spreading the genes of non-legal bucks. Only buck killed on the place last year was a 3-1/2 yr old eight that went 15 inches. I guess the AR DID do what it was supposed to do huh?
Key words you used there, "young bucks" and evidently it is working since you killed a mature buck.
3-1/2 isn't mature....if you consider 3 yr old deer mature, you dont need the AR's 
a lot of the MLD 3 places we hunt on consider 3.5 yr old a shooter..... tpwd accepts that as management guidelines.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: rifleman]
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07/18/09 11:32 AM
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My county, (Tyler), is also on the list!!! Hopefully it won't sound like WWIII on opening morning on gun season at my lease!!!  
now you know dang well those folks will be shooting does on opening morning  
I can dream, can't I? 
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Curly]
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07/18/09 11:49 AM
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I think it's stupid. If my kid wants to shoot a whitetail that has a 5 inch spread then he should be able to, if you cant' tell a kid he can shoot the first deer that he wants to then he's gonna get bored and not want to come back. Try teaching a 5 year old the idea of growing bigger bucks, goodluck. All that is important to him is going and all that is important to me is letting him do it.
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i was told to not shoot a certain deer when i was 5 or so yrs old. because it was too small. and im still hunting...... explain that! learning what to shoot is all about growing up in hunting. if ur kid isnt mature enough to trust his dad on which deer should and shouldnt be shot, then start him later in life IMO
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Jimbo]
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07/18/09 01:36 PM
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I think it's stupid. If my kid wants to shoot a whitetail that has a 5 inch spread then he should be able to, if you cant' tell a kid he can shoot the first deer that he wants to then he's gonna get bored and not want to come back. Try teaching a 5 year old the idea of growing bigger bucks, goodluck. All that is important to him is going and all that is important to me is letting him do it.
Not to argue, but what's wrong with teaching a young hunter how to hunt, and follow the rules and laws like everyone has to as an adult?
He will get more excitement, and so will you for his first deer being taken, and actually having to wait and make sure it's legal, than shooting first and looking later.
I don't see how he will be bored if he has animals to watch, and with your help, you can teach him what to look for, and why he can't shoot the first deer he sees, and explain why.
If he doesn't have the patience to sit and watch, then maybe he isn't old enough yet to take up the sport, and needs a couple more years.
That's all part of what it is to hunt, and the kill is just the icing on the cake!
I can tell you this I sat and guided little kids (11 total and hopefully more to come) on thier first kill and thier harvest has been from yearling does all the way up to 18" ten points. To this day when I encounter these youngster they always thank me for getting them started in the sport and they always say thier first was the best. Be it the 50 pound yearling, 9" 8-point, 10" spike or 18" 10-point they are trophies. I as an adult hunter, do not need anybody to tell me what is a trophy deer. Every time I make a harvest its a trophy.
If AR are meant to protect the age of the herd than why are you able to shoot a young Spike? I challange you to give me a logical answer to that.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: 10pointers]
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07/18/09 07:15 PM
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^^ i would tell u that it is about getting the inferior genetics from the spike bucks out. and that part is not so much about protectiing the age of the herd, there is ur logical answer.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/18/09 08:30 PM
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/18/09 08:38 PM
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My county, (Tyler), is also on the list!!! Hopefully it won't sound like WWIII on opening morning on gun season at my lease!!!
now you know dang well those folks will be shooting does on opening morning
I can dream, can't I?
sure you can  ... I'll be hunting out there more this year than I did last season so I'de be expecting WWIII 
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: rifleman]
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07/18/09 11:14 PM
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I hunt with my uncle and my dad on a lease and my uncle will shoot his two bucks no matter what size or age(no ar in our county). It drives me up the wall. I have passed on deer that are two young only to have him shoot them later. He then wonders why we only have little scrb bucks around. I try to tell him it's because he shoots them before they can mature and grow. To which he replies he has hunted for thirty something years and doesn't need me to tell him how to hunt. For this reason I wish we had an antler restriction in our county. At least then some of the deer he shoots can at least make it to maturity.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/18/09 11:51 PM
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I think it will help improve Newton Co. deer hunting. A lot of the hunters on my lease are somewhat selective about what they shoot. All of the mature bucks I have seen taken would have been OK under the AR except a 5.5yr old six point I shot in 2007. Nearly all of the young deer I have seen brought in would not be legal with the ARs. Not perfect (aging on the hoof is much better) but it is stupid to shoot 2 yr old bucks when there is an abundance of does that could be shot. So hopefully it is a start to some sort of sensible management. I do wish TPW would do away with the doe permits and allow you to take your legal amount of does for the full length of the season without any special permit.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/20/09 06:58 PM
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I think it's stupid. If my kid wants to shoot a whitetail that has a 5 inch spread then he should be able to, if you cant' tell a kid he can shoot the first deer that he wants to then he's gonna get bored and not want to come back. Try teaching a 5 year old the idea of growing bigger bucks, goodluck. All that is important to him is going and all that is important to me is letting him do it.
Not to argue, but what's wrong with teaching a young hunter how to hunt, and follow the rules and laws like everyone has to as an adult?
He will get more excitement, and so will you for his first deer being taken, and actually having to wait and make sure it's legal, than shooting first and looking later.
I don't see how he will be bored if he has animals to watch, and with your help, you can teach him what to look for, and why he can't shoot the first deer he sees, and explain why.
If he doesn't have the patience to sit and watch, then maybe he isn't old enough yet to take up the sport, and needs a couple more years.
That's all part of what it is to hunt, and the kill is just the icing on the cake!
I can tell you this I sat and guided little kids (11 total and hopefully more to come) on thier first kill and thier harvest has been from yearling does all the way up to 18" ten points. To this day when I encounter these youngster they always thank me for getting them started in the sport and they always say thier first was the best. Be it the 50 pound yearling, 9" 8-point, 10" spike or 18" 10-point they are trophies. I as an adult hunter, do not need anybody to tell me what is a trophy deer. Every time I make a harvest its a trophy.
If AR are meant to protect the age of the herd than why are you able to shoot a young Spike? I challange you to give me a logical answer to that.
I have said the very same thing regarding it being legal to shoot a young spike if ARs are implemented to help let bucks get mature....it's all about "trophy" hunting IMO. When I was first taught deer hunting by my family, it wasn't about the size of the antlers or how old a deer was, it was about the excitement of taking down some venison. If you were brought up sizing up a buck before you shot it, that's cool. It just wasn't that way for me.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Lawki]
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07/21/09 07:34 PM
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next thing you know they will be trying to outlaw high fences.....get the Govt. out of our life!
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/21/09 09:06 PM
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next thing you know they will be trying to outlaw high fences.....get the Govt. out of our life!
Whats wrong with outlawing high fences..... 
 Sometimes I wonder if it will get to the point you bring an attorney with you out hunting.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/22/09 03:03 AM
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Whats wrong with outlawing high fences.....
Nothing, IMO they should be because legally the deer are owned by the state and cannot be privately owned. When you put up a high fence you are stealing those deer from the state. Ok back on topic.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/22/09 04:08 AM
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This problem is easily solved the same way you resolve shooting something that is not a deer, or whatever animal you think it is.... IF YOU ARE NOT SURE DO NOT SHOOT!
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Lawki]
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07/22/09 07:37 AM
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Absolutely love the AR's. Every since they implemented the restrictions in my county I see more and more mature bucks every year. This is the only reason I have not high fenced since my neighbors will be forced to take does/spikes instead of the first small 6 point that walks out.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: rstewlandman]
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07/22/09 08:00 AM
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next thing you know they will be trying to outlaw high fences
Now were talkin!!!
I am torn, I like the antler restrictions, but for selfish reasons. I don't think we should subject young hunters to our horn hungry agenda.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/22/09 08:21 AM
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I'm just sayin............... I have never found a good antler recipe...................just sayin..............thats all
Originally Posted By: cody
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
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07/22/09 03:01 PM
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Jimbo aparently you dont hunt a ar county. The problem i have is not waiting for a mature deer but having my county going from 1 buck to 2 bucks and 2 does were there is not enough deer to support that kind of harvest! TPW implementing rules that overharvest and cause the herd to shrink to darn near nill. I know what your thinking, dont shoot as many! Well thats fine if everybody does but you know it dont work that way. I dont hunt horns and dont care about big bucks, i like to see deer numbers and last year was the worst ever at my place in e.tx. Last year was the first year in 22yrs i didnt kill a deer! I could have taken a doe and a fawn in thanksgiving weekend but just couldnt bring myself to do it. When you hunt a place for 22yrs straight and your seeing less deer and the only thing thats changed are the new rules and regs it dont take a rocket science to figure out the problem! Like redneck says you cant eat them horns and if thats all you care about then you need to rethink hunting.
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Re: Antler Restriction Info (2009-2010 seasons)
[Re: Hoytman]
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07/23/09 10:39 AM
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Did you see the newest TPWD rules? No centerfire calibers less than .27 caliber nor more than 30 caliber.
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