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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: J.G.]
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10/30/20 09:29 PM
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redchevy
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Yes it does.
I can hit a 4" plate at 800 yards with an 80 gr ELD-M out of a .223 A.I. But it doesn't have much energy. Just because a bullet can be placed exactly where it goes at 573 yards doesn't mean it has the energy to get the job done.
Look at the extreme end of the spectrum. If someone throws a bullet at you fron ten feet away and hits you in the chest, you'll pick it up and throw it back. If the same bulket was fired out of a rifle barrel, that's a whole different outcome.
At the extreme yeah your right a 223 would make a difference. I really dont care do debate it. Numbers on my 7mm08 are still over 1500 foot pounds at 500 yards. That is the recomended energy level and many do it will less all the time. I know the 300 packs more power, but my point is when enough is enough you dont have to use more than enough. For someone like you who may shoot well past 500 yards without hesitation then i think sure go for the uber magnum. Because you are going to shoot and be capable of shooting further than your gun. The OP stated 100-350 yard gun. Im out.
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: Wreckem04]
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10/30/20 09:38 PM
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Like others have said, I would personally choose a different cartridge, but of the two listed I would go with the .270. With the vast majority of his hunting being whitetail I don't think he would ever feel like he needed more.
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: redchevy]
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10/30/20 11:16 PM
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Yes it does.
I can hit a 4" plate at 800 yards with an 80 gr ELD-M out of a .223 A.I. But it doesn't have much energy. Just because a bullet can be placed exactly where it goes at 573 yards doesn't mean it has the energy to get the job done.
Look at the extreme end of the spectrum. If someone throws a bullet at you fron ten feet away and hits you in the chest, you'll pick it up and throw it back. If the same bulket was fired out of a rifle barrel, that's a whole different outcome.
At the extreme yeah your right a 223 would make a difference. I really dont care do debate it. Numbers on my 7mm08 are still over 1500 foot pounds at 500 yards. That is the recomended energy level and many do it will less all the time. I know the 300 packs more power, but my point is when enough is enough you dont have to use more than enough. For someone like you who may shoot well past 500 yards without hesitation then i think sure go for the uber magnum. Because you are going to shoot and be capable of shooting further than your gun. The OP stated 100-350 yard gun. Im out. redchevy, please dont say "im out." I love reading your posts. They are usually very close to my thoughts and you always stay level headed. I know it can get tiring trying to make the same, or similar, point over and over again but no one really getting all huffy on this thread. I think its been a good discussion and everyone should know that there are no wrong answers of stuff like this and lots of variables and personal preference and comfort level involved. Im a one gun kinda guy so I dont belong in this discussion. I like to shoot what im used to but i also like to be overgunned way more than undergunned so i use the same 3006 for everything from jackrabbits to elk(slight exaggeration especially since about all i shoot is deer.)
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: aggiehunter03]
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10/30/20 11:59 PM
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Judd....understood on that. Could’ve gone TTSX/Accubond/Partition for the Creedmoor. But that would’ve made too much sense and doesn’t land me a new, custom rifle.
I wanna go fast and make big holes.
I always wanted to load up for 110 Vmax for my 300 WSM and shoot coyotes with it. Figured i would never have to track one. Thank goodness I sold that kicking SOB though. I have a load worked up for my .270 with the 110 VMAX and it's a screamer. Hogs, deer, West Texas Mulie, all down and out with one shot. The varmints and vermin are generally turned wrong-side-out, so definitely not "pelt friendly" load!
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: freerange]
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10/31/20 01:09 AM
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redchevy, please dont say "im out." I love reading your posts. They are usually very close to my thoughts and you always stay level headed.
He's probably just out because he gave his opinion and there is little use in debating the on game performance of throwing a bullet at an elk from 10 feet.
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: redchevy]
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10/31/20 01:14 AM
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Yes it does.
I can hit a 4" plate at 800 yards with an 80 gr ELD-M out of a .223 A.I. But it doesn't have much energy. Just because a bullet can be placed exactly where it goes at 573 yards doesn't mean it has the energy to get the job done.
Look at the extreme end of the spectrum. If someone throws a bullet at you fron ten feet away and hits you in the chest, you'll pick it up and throw it back. If the same bulket was fired out of a rifle barrel, that's a whole different outcome.
At the extreme yeah your right a 223 would make a difference. I really dont care do debate it. Numbers on my 7mm08 are still over 1500 foot pounds at 500 yards. That is the recomended energy level and many do it will less all the time. I know the 300 packs more power, but my point is when enough is enough you dont have to use more than enough. For someone like you who may shoot well past 500 yards without hesitation then i think sure go for the uber magnum. Because you are going to shoot and be capable of shooting further than your gun. The OP stated 100-350 yard gun. Im out. "If you can put a bullet in the same spot with either, I don't think it makes a difference." Your words, that's what I responded to. Gawd dang you make it difficult. I used the .223 as an example. Not the be all, end all. Don't care to debate it, then don't make stupid blanket statements when you do not have all the information. 1500 foot pounds, fine. If someone wants to show up with 2500 foot pounds (and can shoot it well) then good for them, their chances of little tracking are better. "Many will do it with less". Sure will, have you? Never did I say anything. 300, I can do a whole lot with NOT a .300, so I don't know where you got that. I don't need an uber magnum. I haven't had one in my possession yet. 7 Rem Mag has been the largest. 3 elk in the freezer at the end of it. I'm NEVER going to shoot further than my rifle is capable of. That was the whole dang point of my last reply to you. Geez. O.P. stated 100-350 yards and I made a recommendation based on that, look it up. Again, since you're slow, see paragraph number 2.
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: scottfromdallas]
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10/31/20 01:15 AM
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J.G.
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redchevy, please dont say "im out." I love reading your posts. They are usually very close to my thoughts and you always stay level headed.
He's probably just out because he gave his opinion and there is little use in debating the on game performance of throwing a bullet at an elk from 10 feet. I was trying to illustrate a perspective. Sorry it went right over your head. Such a punk.
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: J.G.]
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10/31/20 01:52 AM
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scottfromdallas
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redchevy, please dont say "im out." I love reading your posts. They are usually very close to my thoughts and you always stay level headed.
He's probably just out because he gave his opinion and there is little use in debating the on game performance of throwing a bullet at an elk from 10 feet. I was trying to illustrate a perspective. Sorry it went right over your head. Such a punk. I am a punk but if you read his post, he was talking about the 270 Win and the 7-08.
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
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10/31/20 03:00 AM
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: Wreckem04]
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10/31/20 12:36 PM
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so if your friend was looking at having a custom rifle built but couldn't decide on a caliber, what caliber would you recommend? he is a 90% whitetail deer hunter, his shots range from 100-350 yards and would like it to also be able to handle elk if he got the opportunity to go. he is torn between a .270 or 300WSM. 3006 I am a 3006 lover but that is not the reason why i pick it here. Here is why it is the right caliber for this application: 1 Versatility, If you are going to the expense of having a hunting rifle built, i would assume that you would want to hunt with it for all medium and large game species, and the 3006 does this great 2 ammo availability, 3006 is generally everywhere. Even if you reload, stuff happens and getting to elk country and realizing your ammo is at the house or some other issue is no real problem with a 3006. Even if you go out of the country there will be 3006 ammo 3 Recoil. A 3006 has mild recoil and can be shot easily with out a brake, so while hunting muffs/plugs are not a necessity (though they are recommended). 4 Load availability: From managed recoil to light mag, cup and core to premium bullets, the 3006 has more hunting loads available than any other round. Even if your guy is a handloader, the 06 has a ton of data and performs well from mild lead bullet loadings all the way up the spectrum I know that doesn't answer the question with the 2 choices you listed, but it is the right answer
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Re: Custom Rifle Caliber
[Re: Wreckem04]
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10/31/20 02:36 PM
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I was having the same issue. Finally had Fierce build me a 270 WSM. everyone cries about finding ammo but i just buy in bulk and dont have any issues. im willing to shoot anything within 500 yards i dont care what it is!!!
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