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Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: texjitter] #7911452 07/24/20 01:39 PM
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I agree the triggers in the past were awful. They seem to have fixed that with Hawkeyes. Nice shooting! I know the Americans shoot really well.



Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: texjitter] #7911459 07/24/20 01:46 PM
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I have a friend that has 7-08 Remington mountain rifle and it shoots bug holes... I need that gun


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
I have a friend that has 7-08 Remington mountain rifle and it shoots bug holes... I need that gun



I always wanted a Model 7 Stainless synthetic in 7mm-08


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Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: txtrophy85] #7911475 07/24/20 01:56 PM
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I have a friend that has 7-08 Remington mountain rifle and it shoots bug holes... I need that gun



I always wanted a Model 7 Stainless synthetic in 7mm-08


He offered it to me before he ever shot it, I should of grabbed it then. Then he shot it and won’t sale it for a reasonable price


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Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: BOBO the Clown] #7911497 07/24/20 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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I have a friend that has 7-08 Remington mountain rifle and it shoots bug holes... I need that gun



I always wanted a Model 7 Stainless synthetic in 7mm-08


He offered it to me before he ever shot it, I should of grabbed it then. Then he shot it and won’t sale it for a reasonable price



Sometimes it’s ok to delve into the world of unreasonable to get what you want

My buddy has one in .260. It’s really about the perfect mountain gun as well as a handy blind rifle


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Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: texjitter] #7911505 07/24/20 02:20 PM
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When making purchase decisions these days, I tend to start by checking Wikipedia and YouTube to try and learn what matters most. It's the more technical differences between cartridges that usually stands out to me most, with the case upon which a given cartridge is based being a good starting point. For example, owning a .243 and knowing now that the 7mm-08 and .243 both originate from the .308, I might be one to look elsewhere if I wanted something drastically different than what I already own. However, that's only because I already own a .243. Granted, the 7mm-08 carries a heavier bullet and greater punch than a .243, however at cost of a few more ft-pounds into the shoulder.

The 7mm-08 Remington is a rifle cartridge that is almost a direct copy of a wildcat cartridge developed around 1958 known as the 7mm/308. As these names would suggest, it is the .308 Winchester case necked down to accept 7 mm (.284) bullets with a small increase in case length. Of cartridges based upon the .308, it is the second most popular behind only the .243 Winchester. However, the .308 is more popular than both.[1] In 1980, the Remington Arms company popularized the cartridge by applying its own name and offering it as a chambering for their Model 788 and Model 700 rifles, along with a limited-run series within their Model 7600 pump-action rifles during the early 2000s.

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Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: texjitter] #7911534 07/24/20 02:57 PM
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Sorry Dan, 6mm/.243 and 7mm/.284 are very different. In a head to head comparison of .243 and 7mm-08 the differences in performance are stark.


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Sorry Dan, 6mm/.243 and 7mm/.284 are very different. In a head to head comparison of .243 and 7mm-08 the differences in performance are stark.


Greater knock-down with the 7mm-08 for sure but with roughly three more ft-pounds of recoil energy. Still, the comparison between the two gives a potential buyer something to think about before making the purchase. You might say it's like knowing what's under the hood before deciding if a new car is that much different than one you already own.

Case in point. Already owning a .270, I decided to add a 25-06 to my collection, it too being based on the 30-06 casing. While the 25-06 is a flatter shooter, it really doesn't buy me much since my shots are seldom beyond 100 yards. Still, there is some personal novelty in knowing a own a 25-06.

Yes, it's probably true that once we have enough rifles in the safe, it's often pure novelty that drives our purchase decisions.

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Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: texjitter] #7911579 07/24/20 03:33 PM
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I was a staunch supporter of the 308 for many years and still consider it a good round. I have one 7-08 in a model Seven and it has become my favorite deer and hog rifle. Last year I only took one game animal with another rifle that being my 257 Roberts. I find the 7-08 a fine step in for my old favorite 7x57 but on a lighter shorter platform with no loss in capability. With very little work I turned my model Seven into a fine shooter. Under no circumstance do I consider the 243 to be in the same league as the 7-08.

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Originally Posted by rickt300
I was a staunch supporter of the 308 for many years and still consider it a good round. I have one 7-08 in a model Seven and it has become my favorite deer and hog rifle. Last year I only took one game animal with another rifle that being my 257 Roberts. I find the 7-08 a fine step in for my old favorite 7x57 but on a lighter shorter platform with no loss in capability. With very little work I turned my model Seven into a fine shooter. Under no circumstance do I consider the 243 to be in the same league as the 7-08.


While this might take the discussion on a bit of a tangent, there might also be a little value in some push back defense of the little .243.

Consider the following comments taken from an excellent write-up comparison between the 7mm-08 and its weaker cousin...

Now, before we lay out some trajectory tables, let me remind you that lighter bullets reduce recoil in both of these rifles. Step down to an 80-grain bullet in the 243 at 3,400 fps and recoil drops to 11 f-p at 10 fps. Fire a 120-grain in the 7mm-08 at 3100 fps to get 17.5 f-p at 12.7 fps. Not a huge difference, but more than enough for many shooters. A deer shot through the lungs with either of these light bullets isn’t going to shake it off and walk home for dinner. This is why so many outfitters keep a 243 Winchester on hand. When macho hunters with their new 300 magnums finish missing their third deer due to flinching, they borrow the 243 and take home the bacon. I’ve cleanly, quickly, and dramatically killed big, fully mature whitetails and mule deer with bullets as light as 75-grains in a 243 Win.

I also love the parting shot (pun intended) made by the author.

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Re: 7mm-08 or....? [Re: texjitter] #7911689 07/24/20 05:06 PM
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Pick your favorite ballistic calculator.

Input a 7mm 162 gr ELD-X (G-1 .630, G-7 .315) and out of a 24" barrel, 2700 fps MV.

Ackley Improve the case, and it's +2800 fps MV.

Foot pounds delivered, lack of wind drift, and no other cartridge with the same bolt face and action length will match the 7mm-08 A.I. from 10 yards to 1000 yards. The standard 7mm-08 also beats out the rest, across the broad spectrum. All of this is contingent upon loading a 162 gr.

And I am intentionally leaving out elevation correction, because that does not matter to me.


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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
When making purchase decisions these days, I tend to start by checking Wikipedia and YouTube to try and learn what matters most.

Are you serious?

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Pick your favorite ballistic calculator.

Input a 7mm 162 gr ELD-X (G-1 .630, G-7 .315) and out of a 24" barrel, 2700 fps MV.

Ackley Improve the case, and it's +2800 fps MV.

Foot pounds delivered, lack of wind drift, and no other cartridge with the same bolt face and action length will match the 7mm-08 A.I. from 10 yards to 1000 yards. The standard 7mm-08 also beats out the rest, across the broad spectrum. All of this is contingent upon loading a 162 gr.

And I am intentionally leaving out elevation correction, because that does not matter to me.


And with StaBall, a standard 24" 7mm-08 will easily shoot a 162 ELD-X over 2800 from the muzzle. So anyone with a factory rifle can get that kind of performance now.


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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I have a friend that has 7-08 Remington mountain rifle and it shoots bug holes... I need that gun



I always wanted a Model 7 Stainless synthetic in 7mm-08


I bought my first model 7 this year and I really like it as well. The Seven and Kimber 84 are scaled down to perfectly fit 308 cased rounds.



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Originally Posted by texjitter
Only interested in opinions on those two calibers as I have already had rifles in almost every other standard cartridge.(rifle will also be suppressed)


Looking your OP again and considering what's already in your collection, it would seem your decision is probably more along the lines of fit and finish, meaning a brand and model that appeals to you. Since you also noted the need to stay with factory ammo, there are definitely more ammo options with the 7mm-08 but that might translate into greater novelty in owning the 6mm Creedmoor. Some folks like owning the less popular calibers and rightfully so. But then who knows what the future may hold. The 6mm being based on a necked down 6.5 Creedmoor casing, the 6mm Creedmoor may become just as trendy as its slightly older cousin.

I'm also assuming you don't already have a 6.5 Creedmoor in your collection, which might even add more novelty in owning the 6mm Creedmoor. Not sure but some might tout the more recent offering as better than it's slightly older cousin. With so many in love with the 6.5, it would be interesting to know if the 6mm has its own strong following.

Footnote: A quick check of the Able's Sporting Goods and Ammo website shows just two rifles being produced in 6mm Creedmoor. Granted, there are many other firearm retailers but I've found Able's to have one of the largest online and in store inventories you will find. If you're truly interested in a 6mm and didn't mean to type 6.5 instead, your choice might be an easy one if a wide choice of models is what you desire.

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Originally Posted by garyrapp55
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When making purchase decisions these days, I tend to start by checking Wikipedia and YouTube to try and learn what matters most.

Are you serious?


He can't be.



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Anyone have feedback to share on the 6mm Creedmoor? Has the load gotten lost in the shadow of the 6.5?

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They caught lightning in a bottle with the 6.5 Creedmoor. They won't be able to replicate that success. Haven't seen anything catch fire like that in decades.



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Anyone have feedback to share on the 6mm Creedmoor? Has the load gotten lost in the shadow of the 6.5?


Boolits, bro. It's all about boolits. You find me a 6mm boolit with a better BC and sectional density than a 6.5 143 ELD-X, and I'll take back all the bad stuff I've said about you. And trust me, that's a bunch of repentance.


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I picked up a ruger hawkeye 77 in the 7mm-08 last season and took a nice ten pt, that went 10 yards. The 7mm-08 will be good for hunting most animals in the lower 48.


Ruger 77 is my favorite.


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Cuz I like it the best.

had a Ruger 77 for years in 30/06. Not dogging on you but I hated the trigger.


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No offense taken. We discussed earlier. The triggers were the worst but a decent gunsmith could fix that for about $50. Their latest trigger design in the Hawkeye is pretty good out of the box.



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Anyone have feedback to share on the 6mm Creedmoor? Has the load gotten lost in the shadow of the 6.5?


Boolits, bro. It's all about boolits. You find me a 6mm boolit with a better BC and sectional density than a 6.5 143 ELD-X, and I'll take back all the bad stuff I've said about you. And trust me, that's a bunch of repentance.


It's clearly obvious you're one of those who carries a man crush on the 6.5, but do you have anything to share with the OP on the performance of the 6mm Creedmoor?

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Dan the 6 has no real advantage over the 6.5 in target shooting, and less energy for hunting. The 6 will also burn out the barrel faster than the 6.5. This is true for not just the Creedmoor, but any two running in the same case. .243 vs .260, 6x55 vs 6.5x55. Etc.

Although I’m not a Needmoor fan, they didn’t accidentally turn out the 6.5 first. It’s the perfect bullet for that case and they hit a grand slam.

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Can’t see myself owning a 7MM/08 while the 284 Win is around.


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