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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: DLALLDER] #7867674 06/11/20 08:29 PM
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Yes sir, got my UPS notification today as well from starline. Cool beans.

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7869091 06/13/20 12:41 PM
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Early Merry Christmas to me, look what UPS dropped off from Sig Ammo at the ranch yesterday banana

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: Wilson Combat] #7869120 06/13/20 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson Combat
Early Merry Christmas to me, look what UPS dropped off from Sig Ammo at the ranch yesterday banana

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Awesome!!! I have posted on this before. The government loves wasting money. Instead of developing the new 6.8 proprietary cartridge, think you should approach them about converting to 300 HAM'R. laugh

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7869364 06/13/20 08:37 PM
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Bill,

I have been doing a fair amount of bullet testing comparing different bullets in the 16" and 11.5" as well as comparisons with different calibers.

This bullet was fired into water at 10yds and the jacket and core separated perfectly. This has happened twice with the 150 BTSP.

Have you seen this in shots on game?

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7869620 06/14/20 01:22 AM
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150gr SST WORKS GREAT.

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7871694 06/16/20 05:54 AM
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Hit the range today to do some load testing surprise 14.5 hit 2311 f.p.s with 150 gr sst
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: cpt80] #7871890 06/16/20 02:50 PM
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Were the primers bulged?
I've got a 150 sst load with CFE BLK that runs 2300 out of an 18" upper that shoot great in cooler weather but i shot some this past weekend in 90* temps and i've got primer bulging. gonna have to step back and develop a warmer weather load that doesn't mess up primes

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7872135 06/16/20 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by OddJob94
Were the primers bulged?
I've got a 150 sst load with CFE BLK that runs 2300 out of an 18" upper that shoot great in cooler weather but i shot some this past weekend in 90* temps and i've got primer bulging. gonna have to step back and develop a warmer weather load that doesn't mess up primes


Primers still have nice round edges weather was 84 degrees

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Also tested the 123 gr gold dot size down from 310 to 308 with sbr- socom and CFE blk#3
SBR socom picture left to Right Outpost velocities not charge weights for obvious reasons
1.(2457 fps)
2.(2531 fps)
3.(2546 fps)
4.(2559 fps)
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123 gr gold dot CFEBLK from left to right cci #450
1.(2470 fps)
2.(2483 fps)
3.(2508 fps)
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: cpt80] #7872243 06/16/20 08:51 PM
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What resize die did you use for the 123gr and did it take very much pressure to resize them?

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: SDTurner] #7872631 06/17/20 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SDTurner
What resize die did you use for the 123gr and did it take very much pressure to resize them?


Lee 308 bullet sizer with Dillon Case lube highly recommend lubing the bullets before sizing makes a huge difference

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: cpt80] #7872756 06/17/20 10:27 AM
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What resize die did you use for the 123gr and did it take very much pressure to resize them?


Lee 308 bullet sizer with Dillon Case lube highly recommend lubing the bullets before sizing makes a huge difference


Thanks

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7875191 06/19/20 06:03 PM
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150gr SST did a great job again on both these.

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7886235 06/30/20 08:32 PM
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I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on the new Hornady 6mm ARC. From what I've read, it was designed to maximize the potential of the AR-15 platform. But I don't really see this as competition with the .300 HAM'R, but more of an optimized long range focused cousin. In essence both of these new calibers focused on squeezing more out of an AR-15. But whereas the 300 HAM'R has a larger and heavier bullet for increased penetration potential on tough game over shorter distances, the 6mm ARC, in contrast, optimizes longer range with a lighter bullet and different cartridge geometry.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I would love to hear from those who are about the trade offs. Of course, Bill, the HAM'R is your baby, but I see that Wilson Combat will also be producing 6 mm ARC components/rifles. So you would be the most versed as to how these two cartridges compare.

I love my two 300 HAM'Rs, but I'm wondering if I need to make space for a 6mm ARC in the collection.

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7886289 06/30/20 09:12 PM
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Rationalizing the 6mm ARC will be different for every person but for me, I don't buy anything that I won't hunt with. I don't feel the 6mm ARC is adequate for me. I hunt whitetail, pigs, and elk(only one so far but hopefully more in the future). If comparing it to the .300 Ham'r I might ask, "Which would you rather take on an elk hunt?"


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7886795 07/01/20 11:33 AM
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2 completely different cartridges with completely different goals in mind. Both great cartridges but for different uses.

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7887208 07/01/20 05:32 PM
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Kinda the way the Hamr is compared to the 7.62x39, blackout and to a lesser extent the 6.8. The 6mm ARC is really in a different family altogether. Ie 5.56, 224 valkyrie, 6.5 Grendel etc. those calibers are really more comparable because they have the same purpose in mind. Long range high bc.. once you cross over the .30 cal mark your goals are different because you’ve just stepped into big game hunting class.. those sub .30 cal options aren’t good/ intended for that class game.

That being said the 6mm arc seems like a great option for your paper punchers or Varmit hunters. Personally if I was building a long range shooter, I’d strongly consider it over the Grendel with those options in mind. But it won’t replace my Hamr as my all around hunting gun.

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7887851 07/02/20 04:21 AM
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I have sized up 150+ Lake City cases successfully with many many more left to do. I have had about half a dozen or so split while sizing up. I didn't see anything abnormal about the cases prior to attempting to size up. Does this just occur randomly? Should I anneal first or just keep going?


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: ShadowFast1] #7888001 07/02/20 01:14 PM
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I would head forward the way you are going. I average about 2 split cases per 100 sized. Normally it is because I didn't pay attention to how well I had them set in the shell holder and they were slightly off-center. My hunting partners and I have literally formed close to 10,000 cases from LC brass and have had very good results in both velocity and accuracy with the finished product. Reforming cases isn't my favorite part of handloading but once done, it is done.

One advantage not mentioned in the conversations about the 300 HAM'R is that I find it treats the brass very well. I ran test with reloading factory 300 HAM'R brass and brass formed from Lake City 5.56 surplus. We re-loaded samples of both over ten times with very few samples of case failure, and those were after the 7th loading..

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7888050 07/02/20 01:51 PM
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SF - yes, annealing first will help with splits. Softens up the metal. I always anneal before doing a big neck change.


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: Thornroht] #7888497 07/02/20 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Thornroht
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on the new Hornady 6mm ARC. From what I've read, it was designed to maximize the potential of the AR-15 platform. But I don't really see this as competition with the .300 HAM'R, but more of an optimized long range focused cousin. In essence both of these new calibers focused on squeezing more out of an AR-15. But whereas the 300 HAM'R has a larger and heavier bullet for increased penetration potential on tough game over shorter distances, the 6mm ARC, in contrast, optimizes longer range with a lighter bullet and different cartridge geometry.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I would love to hear from those who are about the trade offs. Of course, Bill, the HAM'R is your baby, but I see that Wilson Combat will also be producing 6 mm ARC components/rifles. So you would be the most versed as to how these two cartridges compare.

I love my two 300 HAM'Rs, but I'm wondering if I need to make space for a 6mm ARC in the collection.


I've spent most of a day for the past 4 days on the range doing 6mm ARC testing and load development. So far my observations are that this cartridge isn't anything special (basically a 6mm BR which has been around for a long time) and I was actually disappointed in how little velocity I was able to get out of the MAXIMUM charge weight loads Hornady provided me. The top velocity load with TAC pushed a 103gr ELD-X to 2521fps with so so accuracy, my most accurate load (consistent sub .8") with Benchmark only gives 2507fps. Considering I can get 2735fps from a 16" bbl (and stay under 57k psi) out of the Hornady 110gr SP in the HAM'R this didn't excite me much. However it made me want to do a head to head trajectory comparison, which ended up showing that out to any range where either cartridge still has much power their isn't much difference at all in how flat they shoot.

On the positive the test rifle ran 100% with all loads tested, has very mild recoil and is pretty quiet with a Quell suppressor. It just doesn't fit any need I personally have......kinda like the .224 Valkyrie a nice range toy.

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: Wilson Combat] #7888855 07/03/20 12:02 AM
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Bill,

What load are you using to get 2735 out of the 110SP?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Wilson Combat
Originally Posted by Thornroht
I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on the new Hornady 6mm ARC. From what I've read, it was designed to maximize the potential of the AR-15 platform. But I don't really see this as competition with the .300 HAM'R, but more of an optimized long range focused cousin. In essence both of these new calibers focused on squeezing more out of an AR-15. But whereas the 300 HAM'R has a larger and heavier bullet for increased penetration potential on tough game over shorter distances, the 6mm ARC, in contrast, optimizes longer range with a lighter bullet and different cartridge geometry.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I would love to hear from those who are about the trade offs. Of course, Bill, the HAM'R is your baby, but I see that Wilson Combat will also be producing 6 mm ARC components/rifles. So you would be the most versed as to how these two cartridges compare.

I love my two 300 HAM'Rs, but I'm wondering if I need to make space for a 6mm ARC in the collection.


I've spent most of a day for the past 4 days on the range doing 6mm ARC testing and load development. So far my observations are that this cartridge isn't anything special (basically a 6mm BR which has been around for a long time) and I was actually disappointed in how little velocity I was able to get out of the MAXIMUM charge weight loads Hornady provided me. The top velocity load with TAC pushed a 103gr ELD-X to 2521fps with so so accuracy, my most accurate load (consistent sub .8") with Benchmark only gives 2507fps. Considering I can get 2735fps from a 16" bbl (and stay under 57k psi) out of the Hornady 110gr SP in the HAM'R this didn't excite me much. However it made me want to do a head to head trajectory comparison, which ended up showing that out to any range where either cartridge still has much power their isn't much difference at all in how flat they shoot.

On the positive the test rifle ran 100% with all loads tested, has very mild recoil and is pretty quiet with a Quell suppressor. It just doesn't fit any need I personally have......kinda like the .224 Valkyrie a nice range toy.

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Thank you, Bill, for sharing your work with us!

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Bill,

What load are you using to get 2735 out of the 110SP?

Thanks


All the lot #4 of CFEBLK I can stuff in the case and still seat the bullet to proper OAL. You can't get enough powder in the case to even reach 55k psi with this bullet. SOCOM is a more practical choice, but you can't reach 2735fps at a safe pressure, more like 2650fps out of a 16". The current lot #5 that's available is too bulky to reach top velocity with the 110gr

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Bill,

What load are you using to get 2735 out of the 110SP?

Thanks


All the lot #4 of CFEBLK I can stuff in the case and still seat the bullet to proper OAL. You can't get enough powder in the case to even reach 55k psi with this bullet. SOCOM is a more practical choice, but you can't reach 2735fps at a safe pressure, more like 2650fps out of a 16". The current lot #5 that's available is too bulky to reach top velocity with the 110gr


Thank you - I've got a couple of pounds of lot #1 left. Do you know how that compared in your testing?

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Thank you Bill. This is very much appreciated. Disappointing results, but I'm glad I won't have to be let down after a purchase. Thanks again for all you do in this community.

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I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on the new Hornady 6mm ARC. From what I've read, it was designed to maximize the potential of the AR-15 platform. But I don't really see this as competition with the .300 HAM'R, but more of an optimized long range focused cousin. In essence both of these new calibers focused on squeezing more out of an AR-15. But whereas the 300 HAM'R has a larger and heavier bullet for increased penetration potential on tough game over shorter distances, the 6mm ARC, in contrast, optimizes longer range with a lighter bullet and different cartridge geometry.

I'm no ballistics expert, but I would love to hear from those who are about the trade offs. Of course, Bill, the HAM'R is your baby, but I see that Wilson Combat will also be producing 6 mm ARC components/rifles. So you would be the most versed as to how these two cartridges compare.

I love my two 300 HAM'Rs, but I'm wondering if I need to make space for a 6mm ARC in the collection.


I've spent most of a day for the past 4 days on the range doing 6mm ARC testing and load development. So far my observations are that this cartridge isn't anything special (basically a 6mm BR which has been around for a long time) and I was actually disappointed in how little velocity I was able to get out of the MAXIMUM charge weight loads Hornady provided me. The top velocity load with TAC pushed a 103gr ELD-X to 2521fps with so so accuracy, my most accurate load (consistent sub .8") with Benchmark only gives 2507fps. Considering I can get 2735fps from a 16" bbl (and stay under 57k psi) out of the Hornady 110gr SP in the HAM'R this didn't excite me much. However it made me want to do a head to head trajectory comparison, which ended up showing that out to any range where either cartridge still has much power their isn't much difference at all in how flat they shoot.

On the positive the test rifle ran 100% with all loads tested, has very mild recoil and is pretty quiet with a Quell suppressor. It just doesn't fit any need I personally have......kinda like the .224 Valkyrie a nice range toy.

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