I have no idea how I missed this bullet option until early 2020, but I did??? I've been shooting a lot of hogs with the Speer #2022 150gr BTSP (a bullet Speer has made forever and during normal times in readily available) and I can report that it not only shoots the best of any 150gr I've tried, it kills hogs VERY well. With it's advertised BC of .417 (I think this is optimistic) it shoots the flattest of any load I've tried. Based on the latest pressure test data you can push them to over 2300fps out of a 18" barrel at 55k PSI.
I think I'm just going to leave my Dillon 750 set-up for this load permanently!
The expanded bullet in this photo was recovered from a 160# hog shot from 100yds.
Is this round available from WC Bill?
As loaded ammo yes, but not as a component bullet.
I have no idea how I missed this bullet option until early 2020, but I did??? I've been shooting a lot of hogs with the Speer #2022 150gr BTSP (a bullet Speer has made forever and during normal times in readily available) and I can report that it not only shoots the best of any 150gr I've tried, it kills hogs VERY well. With it's advertised BC of .417 (I think this is optimistic) it shoots the flattest of any load I've tried. Based on the latest pressure test data you can push them to over 2300fps out of a 18" barrel at 55k PSI.
I think I'm just going to leave my Dillon 750 set-up for this load permanently!
The expanded bullet in this photo was recovered from a 160# hog shot from 100yds.
Is this round available from WC Bill?
As loaded ammo yes, but not as a component bullet.
Bill -
Based on your shooting of hogs with this bullet so far, how do you think it would have compared to the other 150's you used on elk and bigger African game?
I have no idea how I missed this bullet option until early 2020, but I did??? I've been shooting a lot of hogs with the Speer #2022 150gr BTSP (a bullet Speer has made forever and during normal times in readily available) and I can report that it not only shoots the best of any 150gr I've tried, it kills hogs VERY well. With it's advertised BC of .417 (I think this is optimistic) it shoots the flattest of any load I've tried. Based on the latest pressure test data you can push them to over 2300fps out of a 18" barrel at 55k PSI.
I think I'm just going to leave my Dillon 750 set-up for this load permanently!
The expanded bullet in this photo was recovered from a 160# hog shot from 100yds.
Is this round available from WC Bill?
As loaded ammo yes, but not as a component bullet.
Bill -
Based on your shooting of hogs with this bullet so far, how do you think it would have compared to the other 150's you used on elk and bigger African game?
Also, what would you recommend for load data?
I would still go with a bonded 150gr for game over 400#, I like the Speer 150gr Gold Dot (Blackout variant) the best, but they are expensive
My personal load is as follows:
Speer #2022 150gr BTSP, 2.255" OAL 25.8gr CFEBLK, Lot #4 CCI 450 Sig case 2320fps from a 18" barrel (approx 2395fps from a 16"), NOTE: these velocity #s are using a LabRadar, conventional chronograph #s are usually 20fps slower
This is a very tough bullet that won't expand well at under 2000fps impact and also it has to be seated so deep that you can't get the velocity up to the #s you can with other 110gr choices. The best solid copper bullet for the HAM'R is the Barnes 110gr TSX.
Hey Bill, 8” Main purpose would be self defense. Curious as to if 8” could be used efficiently for hunting (if/when the opportunity ever presented itself). I have a 556 in 10.5”, legal in NJ because it’s classified as ‘Other’ firearm, liked what I saw when I came across the 300 HAM’R in 8”. Don’t know if 8” would be practical on hunt that’s why I’m asking. Shots wouldn’t be over 150 yards. Looking down the road (X-Tac Commander due any day now). Tom
This is a very tough bullet that won't expand well at under 2000fps impact and also it has to be seated so deep that you can't get the velocity up to the #s you can with other 110gr choices. The best solid copper bullet for the HAM'R is the Barnes 110gr TSX.
OK. Nosler made it for 300 Blackout speeds so being too tuff is a little confusing.
Hey Bill, 8” Main purpose would be self defense. Curious as to if 8” could be used efficiently for hunting (if/when the opportunity ever presented itself). I have a 556 in 10.5”, legal in NJ because it’s classified as ‘Other’ firearm, liked what I saw when I came across the 300 HAM’R in 8”. Don’t know if 8” would be practical on hunt that’s why I’m asking. Shots wouldn’t be over 150 yards. Looking down the road (X-Tac Commander due any day now). Tom
The velocity #s for different barrel lengths are listed elsewhere in this thread and 11.3" velocity is still pretty good, but you give up a lot with a 8" so personally I wouldn't go shorter than 11.3" if I wanted to kill stuff past 75-100yds
Hey Bill, 8” Main purpose would be self defense. Curious as to if 8” could be used efficiently for hunting (if/when the opportunity ever presented itself). I have a 556 in 10.5”, legal in NJ because it’s classified as ‘Other’ firearm, liked what I saw when I came across the 300 HAM’R in 8”. Don’t know if 8” would be practical on hunt that’s why I’m asking. Shots wouldn’t be over 150 yards. Looking down the road (X-Tac Commander due any day now). Tom
I really see the 8" in more for a home defense or truck gun role where a compact rifle is desired. Based on my past law enforcement experience I tend towards the bonded bullets but wouldn't necessarily recommend them for home defense due to a multitude of factors. I still haven't decided on what HAM'R ammunition to use in my "nightstand" 8" pistol. Leaning towards the 125 TNT's but would like to do some drywall testing with it vs some of the other heavier bullets. (So much to do so little time.)
Bullets don't always behave as you would expect. When I was on the tactical team we did actual testing with 5.56 from a 16-inch AR-15 and 9mm from an MP5K. While the 5.56 would enter the front of a level IIIa ballistic helmet and proceed on through and right out the back of it, it actually penetrated less 1/2" drywall boards than the 9mm. Based on those results, we traded the MP5's in for 5.56 SBR's. Wish HAM'R would have been around back then. An 8-inch would make the perfect entry gun IMO.
Hey Bill, 8” Main purpose would be self defense. Curious as to if 8” could be used efficiently for hunting (if/when the opportunity ever presented itself). I have a 556 in 10.5”, legal in NJ because it’s classified as ‘Other’ firearm, liked what I saw when I came across the 300 HAM’R in 8”. Don’t know if 8” would be practical on hunt that’s why I’m asking. Shots wouldn’t be over 150 yards. Looking down the road (X-Tac Commander due any day now). Tom
I really see the 8" in more for a home defense or truck gun role where a compact rifle is desired. Based on my past law enforcement experience I tend towards the bonded bullets but wouldn't necessarily recommend them for home defense due to a multitude of factors. I still haven't decided on what HAM'R ammunition to use in my "nightstand" 8" pistol. Leaning towards the 125 TNT's but would like to do some drywall testing with it vs some of the other heavier bullets. (So much to do so little time.)
Bullets don't always behave as you would expect. When I was on the tactical team we did actual testing with 5.56 from a 16-inch AR-15 and 9mm from an MP5K. While the 5.56 would enter the front of a level IIIa ballistic helmet and proceed on through and right out the back of it, it actually penetrated less 1/2" drywall boards than the 9mm. Based on those results, we traded the MP5's in for 5.56 SBR's. Wish HAM'R would have been around back then. An 8-inch would make the perfect entry gun IMO.
Swat, Interesting re 556 vs 9mm Sheetrock comparison. Never would have guessed that. Looking forward to see what you come up with re 8” Ham’r ammo. Thanks for postings. Stay Safe.
This is a very tough bullet that won't expand well at under 2000fps impact and also it has to be seated so deep that you can't get the velocity up to the #s you can with other 110gr choices. The best solid copper bullet for the HAM'R is the Barnes 110gr TSX.
OK. Nosler made it for 300 Blackout speeds so being too tuff is a little confusing.
What's confusing are the pictures on their website about the 110 E-Tip's expansion at different speeds. The picture states a 168 gr. .30 caliber and their expansion at 1800 fps(which is minimal), 2400 fps, and 3050 fps. And if the 110 grain E-Tip performs the same, then the only thing that changed to make it "300 AAC" is they made it smaller. And unfortunately with monolithic style bullets, they're typically longer than traditional bullets of similar grain weight. Therefore, you'll lose case capacity and speed. And monolithic bullets depend so much on speed to expand well. I agree with the use of the 110 TSX/Tac-X. You'll get more velocity to start with and more range before it drops below expansion thresholds.
Good score! Rarely see one standing so still for so long! They are always so "busy," at least when they're in a sounder.
LOL, exactly. When I first seen it through the thermal and compared to that 55 gallon feeder, and it wasn't moving all around, I thought it was a cow lol.
The 110 grain E-Tips for the 300 BO are probably the shortest E-tip made. This was most likely done to help with loading as much powder as possible behind it.
I tried these in 308 Winchester and they shot HORRIBLE I assume due to their reprofiled shape.
Unless somebody has actually tried them in 300 Ham’r I wouldn’t assume anything based on what we know about monolithic bullets - this one is purpose made...
For $ 20 bucks I can get 75 of these in the hands of a local DFW shooter to try with your hammer...
They might be shorter than the other E-Tips in .30 caliber but they're longer than most of the 150 grain bullets that are being used for the Ham'r. You'll lose a good bit of powder space. If the 110 E-Tip expands reliably at lower velocity than the standard E-Tips then Nosler did a poor job at advertising.
The #30321 110 TSX is .075" longer than the 110 E-Tip. And by looking at the shape of it you'd probably have the shank of the bullet past the case mouth before you got it to magazine length.
If I had to pick between the 110 TSX or the 110 CC in an 11.3" I'd probably go with the Controlled Chaos. I'd probably use the TSX in longer barrels though as I like the bullet to stay together when I'm hunting. The CC has a lower expansion threshold which is good when you're starting out slower to begin with in the shorter barrels. And for a defense rifle that reliable expansion is important.
I know this is an opinion question, but what about the 110 CC Lehigh vs the Barnes 110 TSX in an 11”?
Barnes lists the minimum expansion velocity for 110 TSX (30341) at 1900 fps. For Barnes 110 300 black version (30321), the MEV drops to 1350fps.
This info from the head ballistics guy at Barnes:
"The #30341 and #30336 are the same bullet and min impact velocity for reliable expansion is 1900fps. Min impact velocity of the #30339 is 1500fps."
This being said we get sub 1" accuracy with the #30341/#30336 but the #30339 shoots 2"-3" groups with the same load. Even looking at the bullets you can see a major difference, the #30341/#30336 look like they were mfg on a lathe like the Lehigh CC and the #30339 (SBR variant) looks like a poor quality casting.
I haven't seen or shot the #30321 bullet. If anyone has how does the OAL work out and how does it shoot?
They might be shorter than the other E-Tips in .30 caliber but they're longer than most of the 150 grain bullets that are being used for the Ham'r. You'll lose a good bit of powder space. If the 110 E-Tip expands reliably at lower velocity than the standard E-Tips then Nosler did a poor job at advertising.
The #30321 110 TSX is .075" longer than the 110 E-Tip. And by looking at the shape of it you'd probably have the shank of the bullet past the case mouth before you got it to magazine length.
If I had to pick between the 110 TSX or the 110 CC in an 11.3" I'd probably go with the Controlled Chaos. I'd probably use the TSX in longer barrels though as I like the bullet to stay together when I'm hunting. The CC has a lower expansion threshold which is good when you're starting out slower to begin with in the shorter barrels. And for a defense rifle that reliable expansion is important.
I think the 110gr Hornady V-MAX would make a good self-defense load out of the shorter barrels.
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