Concur on gymnastics.

Just think the Doc route lets you be able to still talk and walk at 60.

I’m not saying Payton isn’t one of the best QB ever but by definition he is not an athletic QB when compared to his peers. He didn’t beat you with amazing feats of athleticism. Not like he Jay Novak High hurdled any one or flutie tuck and go, or Mike Vick burned an 80 yard run down the middle etc. just not how he beat people, no body had to account and scheme for is athleticism. There for not an elite athletic ability in my mind.

But since we are putting golf in apparently in how great does that make Romo

Ah, 10/4.

Gymnasts strength to weight ratio is elite in all categories.

Strength to weight is always been then measure.

Bill Bates. No other athlete, in any sport, has demonstrated his mental and physical toughness, self-discipline, work ethic, and faith. What a great role model we have in Bill Bates.

If you have never read Shoot for the Star, you should do yourself a favor...

That’s a good one, he did have an equal on the other side. Jerry Rice. They flat outworked everyone

65,000 NFL players?! What are you talking about? There are 53 players per team, there are 32 teams. Even if you count practice squad players, there is no where near 65,000 NFL players. There are far more D1 players than NFL players.

We don’t agree because you’re just full of it and hanging on to a completely ridiculous theory that Peyton Manning isn’t an athlete. He was the best player at his position in America’s most popular professional sport.

You brought up conditioning as some sort of metric of athleticism. Are ultra marathoners athletes? Yes! Are NFL QBs athletes! Yes!

Are some people more athletic than others? Yes! Do some sports require more athleticism than others? Yes! They’re all still athletes, just like rowers, hammer throwers, long jumpers, balance beam gymnasts, cross country skiers, sprint swimmers, tennis players, golfers, baseball players, softball players, soccer players, racquetball players, squash players, lousiers, downhill skiers, etc are all athletes.

And your statement about it being easier to break into the 4.4 40s and bench 400 or clean 315 than brea into a 6 minute mile (as laugh out loud funny as that is - because that’s an ABSURD claim) does not mean that someone who can’t do those things but can still play in the NFL isn’t an athlete. And I also question your ability to do any of those things. Oh, and by the way, colleges making their players do things like make their players run over two miles doesn’t mean the players can’t do them, or that they can’t train to do them; it just means they don’t need to train to do them for their sport. And that doesn’t make them any less of an athlete. Can Goggins run a steeple Chad at an Olympic pace? Can an Olympic marathon runner or speed skater catch a Hail Mary? Does either make the other less of an athlete?

In fact, many NFL players can’t do any of those things. A 4.4 40 is incredible. A lot of guys who run 4.4 can clean 315 or bench 400. Do you know how ridiculous that is?

Congrats on running 6-7 miles five times a week. I mean that sincerely. Congrats on being D1 in whatever sport you played. You’re just flat out wrong on this. Take the L. My goodness.

Edit: and you brought elite conditioning into a p conversation about athleticism, not us.

Agreed.

Now you’re backpedaling (very athletic of you). You said you didn’t consider Manning an athlete. That’s what you said. He wasn’t an athlete.

I already compared him to Mike Vick when you said he wasn’t an athlete, he was just a brain.

Elite athlete=combination of physical ability, skill, mental toughness/ability

Depending on the sport, the ratio of those 3 things is variable. Gymnast=all 3. Defensive End=more physical ability. Soccer=more skill. Golfer=more skill and mental, QB=more mental and skill than physical, Basketball=physical and skill, less mental...etc.

Romo is clearly a world class athlete, both skilled and physically gifted in 2 sports, and that is extremely difficult to accomplish. I just think he didn't have the mental toughness that he needed to reach the top. JMO.

Oops I missed up my googling on NFL players #, I was wondering how there where more in NFL then college lol my bad.

I didn’t run that far because I wanted to. It’s not absurd to know you can increase you 40 time with a) learning how to run the 40 b)plyometrics based of you progression in the 40.

Per second knee surgery, I ran 4.44 and 4.46 for Avezzano two different years. And 4.43 electric off the pad. Post knee surgery I still ran 4.51 with for combine with only two months to prepare and at my heaviest weight ever.

I still push press 225 now in my 40’s, but ya I’m full of [censored] lol. Not ridiculous, I wasn’t even in top 4 at my position strength wise, or top 10 on team. Played outside linebacker/safety.

most NFL players outside of skills would struggle with a 6 min mile. Just different ideology muscle wise.

You look at physical spectrum as far as size as athletic, when they do not necessarily go hand and hand. I know guys that got a NFL camp tryouts just of physical size, one didn’t even start.


Before you tell someone they are full of [censored] might want to meet them first. Just a thought

I just wanted to bring out the haters, Romo was an athlete. Half his passing yards where running for his life.

I think he had mental toughness, just didn’t have opportunity via in front of him in his younger years before physical wear took its toll. Management thought games where won by big money receivers instead of lineman, and defense

Charlie Tolar, Houston Oilers.
All 5’ 5” and 195 lbs. of him.
Built like a fireplug.
He taught Earl Campbell how to run a football.

Jim Thorpe

"Now his drive is freakish, but that’s obtainable by anyone that truly wants it." Flat out wrong. Lots want it, but few have the gumption & backbone to acquire it.

Didn't this turn out lovely.

First, I want to apologize to Peyton, who will never read this, but I never thought someone wouldn't call him an athlete.


Now a quick question, it obviously takes physical strength to do this, but what is accomplishing this? I'm pretty sure someone that isn't athletic can't beat this.
Yes, that is me.

Also, hears the definition of Athlete from Merriams
"a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina"

Earl Campbell - Football
Nolan Ryan - Baseball
Moses Malone - Basketball
Gordie Howe - Hockey

I’m very aware of how to increase your 40 time (or your mile time, or your five mile time, etc).

I claimed your full of it, because you said “it would be easier...” which means you, today, could train to run a 4.4 40 yard dash, which is absurd. I didn’t say you couldn’t ever run a 4.4 40. I read what you wrote, which meant you could train to do all of those things TODAY. You’re in your 40s and you’re running the fastest 40 yard dash for all the running backs in the 2019 combine? And benching 400 pounds and cleaning 315?

Congrats. You’re JJ Watt with DeShaun Jackson speed.

I mean this sincerely, if you can do all that in your 40s, you are my favorite athlete of all time. That’s the most impressive thing I’ve ever heard.

I can't find the beginning of this but it did catch my attention. Athleticism, Strength, Speed, Movement, and Conditioning are all aspects that can be trained/improved but have a ceiling dependent upon many factors. I highlighted in red the comment about the 40. The most important factor is mechanics. You can "learn how" to run the 40 and do plyos until your legs fail but if your mechanics are poor your time will not improve.

On another note...the 40 yard dash is the worst 'test' in any sport and the reason it is kept around is for show. I tell athletes if you are running 40 yards in 1 direction on the field something really good is happening or something really bad. You either are beating everybody; got beat; or runing off the field for halftime.

I wonder what Jimmy the Greek would have had to say about this thread?

It's not my blog, quite obviously. There are numerous sites where you can go to test a person's athleticism. I didn't write any of them. I can't help it if you can't fathom what it takes to determine whether someone is athletic or not. I keep remembering Mickelson's famous leap at the Master's when he won his first. Must have soared to at least a 5" vertical.

Oh yes, bc he was trying to slam dunk a basketball lol. He didn't need to jump high, he jumped from excitement. Why do you think that was his best effort at a vertical?

How else would you recommend determining how fast someone is? You can have the greatest mechanics in the world, but you can't teach,coach, workout your way to a 4.5 second 40 if you are a 5.5 second forty guy. Won't happen. You also can't work your way to a 36" vertical if you're a 20" vertical guy. You can see improvement, but there's a limit. That's why elite level athletes are capable....they have elite level ability.

Why do you recon they (scouts, etc) make baseball guys run a 60 yd dash at camps?

Mickelson is jello soft, any idiot can tell that by looking at him.

But he's an Athlete by the very definition of the word.
and I highly doubt he's jello soft.

And I'm sure every run of the mill office worker, and non physical sports person has calves like these.
You don't have muscular definition unless you're an athlete.

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