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Hydroxychloroquine
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...t-and-more-deaths-in-va-study-2020-04-21Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study
President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough against the coronavirus-borne disease
A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.
‘I think we’re all rather underwhelmed.’— Dr. Nasia Safdar, University of Wisconsin The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.
The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has been submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine, but it has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.
See:Oxford University set to begin human trials of coronavirus vaccine
Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.
About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died, too, but the difference between that group and those receiving usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.
Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.
See:These experimental drugs may help keep COVID-19 patients off ventilators
Also: Health officials say more clinical data is needed to understand whether antibodies protect recovered COVID-19 patients
Researchers did not track side effects but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.
Earlier this month, scientists in Brazil stopped part of a hydroxychloroquine study after heart-rhythm problems developed in one-quarter of people given the higher of two doses being tested.
Many doctors have been leery of the drug.
At the University of Wisconsin, Madison, “I think we’re all rather underwhelmed” at what’s been seen among the few patients there who’ve tried it, said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection control and prevention.
Patients asked about it soon after Trump started promoting its use, and a couple in Arizona took chloroquine phosphate as a preventative with disastrous consequences, “but now I think that people have realized we don’t know if [hydroxychloroquine] works or not” and that the matter needs more study, said Safdar, who had no role in the VA analysis.
The NIH and others have more rigorous tests underway.
Read on:Gilead drug produced ‘rapid’ recovery in coronavirus patients, report says
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:07 PM
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check comments on that site
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:08 PM
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:10 PM
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And just like that, a common drug that has been in use for 50 years is now dangerous.  Oh, and this is Fake News.. she had mental issues and fed her husband fishtank cleaner. Basically, she murdered him. Patients asked about it soon after Trump started promoting its use, and a couple in Arizona took chloroquine phosphate as a preventative with disastrous consequences, “but now I think that people have realized we don’t know if [hydroxychloroquine] works or not” and that the matter needs more study, said Safdar, who had no role in the VA analysis. "The 61-year-old woman, whose first name is Wanda but has asked for her full identity to be withheld, survived the ordeal. Her 68-year-old husband, Gary, did not. Wanda has said that she and her husband each took a "teaspoon" of the fish-tank cleaner; medical toxicology results and a police investigation were pending. "I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, 'Hey, isn't that the stuff they're talking about on TV?'" Wanda told NBC News, referring to the chloroquine phosphate in her fish-tank cleaner." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-woman-fish-tank-cleaner-trump-democrathttps://freebeacon.com/latest-news/...was-prolific-donor-to-democratic-causes/
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:12 PM
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There are a lot of people breathing in this world today that are dang glad that they tried it.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:13 PM
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check comments on that site I trust the Doctors more that the comments, they had no MD behind their names. The following is from that report. Earlier this month, scientists in Brazil stopped part of a hydroxychloroquine study after heart-rhythm problems developed in one-quarter of people given the higher of two doses being tested.
Many doctors have been leery of the drug.
At the University of Wisconsin, Madison, “I think we’re all rather underwhelmed” at what’s been seen among the few patients there who’ve tried it, said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection control and prevention.
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04/21/20 07:13 PM
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And just like that, a common drug that has been in use for 50 years is now dangerous.  It's been dangerous with some people saying the side effects are worse than Covid. My co-worker is from Nigeria and was talking about having to take hydroxychloroquine most of his life prior to moving to the states. He said it was horrible but a necessity.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:16 PM
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And just like that, a common drug that has been in use for 50 years is now dangerous.  It's been dangerous with some people saying the side effects are worse than Covid. My co-worker is from Nigeria and was talking about having to take hydroxychloroquine most of his life prior to moving to the states. He said it was horrible but a necessity. all his life huh? Horrible? More horrible than ******* dying?
This cannot be fixed at the voting booth.. Wake Up You Morons!
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:19 PM
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it is no shock to me the hydroxychloroquine hasn't been a solution. It didn't fit the underlying pathology as a treatment.
the origination of the thought was from china where doctors anecdotally noticed their lupus patients on plaquenil (tradename for hcq) had less infections than their other patients from covid. There was thought to be a link between the hcq and protection. More studies are being done across multiple countries to see if this anecdotal evidence even exists.
So the initial thought was it helped protect, not treat. but that got extrapolated to treat because those close to death from covid were in bad shape and lets see what helps kind of thinking.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:20 PM
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it is no shock to me the hydroxychloroquine hasn't been a solution. It didn't fit the underlying pathology as a treatment.
the origination of the thought was from china where doctors anecdotally noticed their lupus patients on plaquenil (tradename for hcq) had less infections than their other patients from covid. There was thought to be a link between the hcq and protection. More studies are being done across multiple countries to see if this anecdotal evidence even exists.
So the initial thought was it helped protect, not treat. but that got extrapolated to treat because those close to death from covid were in bad shape and lets see what helps kind of thinking. Can't be, DR Trump said it was the miracle cure. 
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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And just like that, a common drug that has been in use for 50 years is now dangerous.  It's been dangerous with some people saying the side effects are worse than Covid. My co-worker is from Nigeria and was talking about having to take hydroxychloroquine most of his life prior to moving to the states. He said it was horrible but a necessity. all his life huh? Horrible? More horrible than ******* dying? Holy [censored] people, learn to [censored] comprehend what you read......
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:22 PM
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And just like that, a common drug that has been in use for 50 years is now dangerous.  It's been dangerous with some people saying the side effects are worse than Covid. My co-worker is from Nigeria and was talking about having to take hydroxychloroquine most of his life prior to moving to the states. He said it was horrible but a necessity. all his life huh? Horrible? More horrible than ******* dying? Holy [censored] people, learn to [censored] comprehend what you read...... Learn to [censored] read what you type.
This cannot be fixed at the voting booth.. Wake Up You Morons!
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:26 PM
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It's been dangerous with some people saying the side effects are worse than Covid. My co-worker is from Nigeria and was talking about having to take hydroxychloroquine most of his life prior to moving to the states. He said it was horrible but a necessity.
all his life huh? Horrible? More horrible than ******* dying? Holy [censored] people, learn to [censored] comprehend what you read......[/quote] Learn to [censored] read what you type. [/quote] There! I can't write it out in crayons for you but I can make it red like one.....
Wealth is of the heart and mind and not of the pocket
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:29 PM
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There! I can't write it out in crayons for you but I can make it red like one.....
Evidently you can't even make it red.
This cannot be fixed at the voting booth.. Wake Up You Morons!
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:31 PM
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There! I can't write it out in crayons for you but I can make it red like one.....
Evidently you can't even make it red. It's red as hell on my end.... ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2020/04/full-8636-227268-red.png)
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There! I can't write it out in crayons for you but I can make it red like one.....
Evidently you can't even make it red. Red here.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 07:51 PM
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I thought chopped made it very clear that it had a lot of side effects but it saved the dude's life and he was willing to take it
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I thought chopped made it very clear that it had a lot of side effects but it saved the dude's life and he was willing to take it He did.
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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it is no shock to me the hydroxychloroquine hasn't been a solution. It didn't fit the underlying pathology as a treatment.
the origination of the thought was from china where doctors anecdotally noticed their lupus patients on plaquenil (tradename for hcq) had less infections than their other patients from covid. There was thought to be a link between the hcq and protection. More studies are being done across multiple countries to see if this anecdotal evidence even exists.
So the initial thought was it helped protect, not treat. but that got extrapolated to treat because those close to death from covid were in bad shape and lets see what helps kind of thinking. Can't be, DR Trump said it was the miracle cure.  Spit ole buckeye out. Getting gross to watch.
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dont knock it if you aint tried it.... 
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Re: Hydroxychloroquine
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04/21/20 08:33 PM
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Can't be, DR Trump said it was the miracle cure.  Oh [censored], Ol CNN is at it again, POTUS said showed promise as tests where still ongoing. It’s Sad that you want an American President to fell so bad.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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04/21/20 08:35 PM
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We took it both times we deployed to Afghanistan. I had no side effects but a buddy kept dreaming about murdering his family in their sleep with a knife. After a couple of those dreams he went to commander and said I’m not taking it.
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04/21/20 08:39 PM
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What positive results there are relate to reducing inflammation and reducing c-reactive protein levels faster. It may be that it has some ability to keep patients from triggering cytokine syndrome. That has to be balanced against the fact that it can aggravate preexisting heart arrhythmia problems. Screening for arrhythmia prior to starting treatment is required, it's not a game changer, but it just might be justified in some cases
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