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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7787409 03/28/20 12:49 AM
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I'm looking to duplicate the 150 grain Speer Gold Dot WC load. I have the bullets (300blk version) and I have plenty of brass along with CFEBLK powder. Does anyone know what the factory powder/charge is?

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So based on what you posted earlier SOCOM would potentially be the best option for shorter barrels and lighter bullets?

Thanks again!

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Originally Posted by sage3155
I'm looking to duplicate the 150 grain Speer Gold Dot WC load. I have the bullets (300blk version) and I have plenty of brass along with CFEBLK powder. Does anyone know what the factory powder/charge is?


Wilson Combat has SEVERAL 300 Ham'r loads on the website. Not sure about the one you are asking about. BTW the ham'r load data is somewhat difficult to find on the website, keep looking it's there. I have to scratch my head every time I look for it but my memory bank is full & SLOW.




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Originally Posted by sage3155
I'm looking to duplicate the 150 grain Speer Gold Dot WC load. I have the bullets (300blk version) and I have plenty of brass along with CFEBLK powder. Does anyone know what the factory powder/charge is?


https://www.wilsoncombat.com/300-hamr/. Sage here is the link to the data, thanks to my smart & gorgeous wife. Daniel




Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: sage3155] #7787923 03/28/20 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sage3155
I'm looking to duplicate the 150 grain Speer Gold Dot WC load. I have the bullets (300blk version) and I have plenty of brass along with CFEBLK powder. Does anyone know what the factory powder/charge is?


Varies due to powder lot, but as a FYI I'm personally loading 25.6gr of both lot #2 and #4 for right at 2300fps from my 18"

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Originally Posted by Wilson Combat
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I'm looking to duplicate the 150 grain Speer Gold Dot WC load. I have the bullets (300blk version) and I have plenty of brass along with CFEBLK powder. Does anyone know what the factory powder/charge is?


Varies due to powder lot, but as a FYI I'm personally loading 25.6gr of both lot #2 and #4 for right at 2300fps from my 18"


If I'm reading the label right I have lot #1 (the second row is just a single digit 1). I will do a ladder test with 25.6 as the max and compare groups and velocity. So far the factory loads are grouping right at an inch at 100 yards. I haven't chrono'd yet but if I can replicate their accuracy I will be happy. Thanks for the quick response. One last question I have, going back through the forum I saw mention of a 135 grain speer gold dot bullet? Is there a time frame where we can expect that round? I would expect things to be delayed because of our current situation but if it shoots as good as the 150's I would be interested. It may well prove to be the best "catch all" round just based on some of the numbers I've read about.

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: sage3155] #7788149 03/28/20 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sage3155
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I'm looking to duplicate the 150 grain Speer Gold Dot WC load. I have the bullets (300blk version) and I have plenty of brass along with CFEBLK powder. Does anyone know what the factory powder/charge is?


Varies due to powder lot, but as a FYI I'm personally loading 25.6gr of both lot #2 and #4 for right at 2300fps from my 18"


If I'm reading the label right I have lot #1 (the second row is just a single digit 1). I will do a ladder test with 25.6 as the max and compare groups and velocity. So far the factory loads are grouping right at an inch at 100 yards. I haven't chrono'd yet but if I can replicate their accuracy I will be happy. Thanks for the quick response. One last question I have, going back through the forum I saw mention of a 135 grain speer gold dot bullet? Is there a time frame where we can expect that round? I would expect things to be delayed because of our current situation but if it shoots as good as the 150's I would be interested. It may well prove to be the best "catch all" round just based on some of the numbers I've read about.


We just received these bullets on the 20th and are about to start loading them. They aren't a Gold Dot, just manufactured with a similar process, it's an exclusive bullet for WC and we're calling them 135gr Speer HAM'R BONDED, they don't have the boron coating like the Gold Dots either. Based on all of my accuracy and terminal performance testing I think they will be a great all purpose choice. Velocity from a 18" will be in the 2450-2470 range since they shoot really good there and pressure is under 55k. As you can see below from the bullets recovered in water after shooting through a hog cadaver they perform well.

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7788157 03/28/20 07:18 PM
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Look like DeepCurls with the dimpled heel but I don't think they were ever made in that grain weight. If they are similar for Gold Dots or DeepCurls, they will have great terminal performance.



Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: scottfromdallas] #7788186 03/28/20 07:55 PM
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What Hornady 150gr SST #30303 bullets do to hogs !!!

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: Wilson Combat] #7788440 03/29/20 12:55 AM
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Seems like they perform great at distance. How do they perform at closer ranges, say 20-25 yards? I'm looking forward to trying these on a whitetail or two this year.

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Bill,

Thanks a bunch for all your work on this cartridge!

Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, I thought I would ask you before doing the load workup.

Do you think H110 would give higher velocities with 95-110gr bullets in a 11.3" barrel used for defensive purposes or should I just stick with CFEBLK and drive down the road?

Also, I noticed on your site that you use a different twist rate for your 8" barrel than your other lengths - can you share why that is?

Thanks again!

P.S. - part of my interest in H110 is also that I have about 20lbs left that I use for blackout loads. :-)


SD, welcome to the forum

You can use H110 for light bullets, but you won't be able to get quite as much velocity at safe pressures as with CFEBLK or SOCOM. Most of my experience with H110 has been with the 7.62x40 and I can tell you .2gr can make the difference between a safe and a unsafe pressure load, so be very careful.

As to the different twist rates. Some of the longer 150gr bullets could become unstable in extremely cold conditions at the velocity you can achieve out of a 11.3" or shorter barrel, so we run these with a 11.3 twist. We recently got 1-13 buttons and probably will be offering this twist in the shorter barrels or for customers who primarily shoot 150gr bullets since it's the optimal twist for these.


Bill, I have two 8-inch builds, one for the house and one for the car. I just purchased 800 rounds of nickel 150 gr HAMR Speer Bonded in the last month. Just confirming you're stating these are good to go in the 8-inch with 1-11.25 twist?

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Do you ever have ready to ship 300 HAM'R uppers? Seems like every time I've looked there are none. Could buy a barrel but would prefer to prob just purchase an upper.

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Bill,

Thanks a bunch for all your work on this cartridge!

Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, I thought I would ask you before doing the load workup.

Do you think H110 would give higher velocities with 95-110gr bullets in a 11.3" barrel used for defensive purposes or should I just stick with CFEBLK and drive down the road?

Also, I noticed on your site that you use a different twist rate for your 8" barrel than your other lengths - can you share why that is?

Thanks again!

P.S. - part of my interest in H110 is also that I have about 20lbs left that I use for blackout loads. :-)


SD, welcome to the forum

You can use H110 for light bullets, but you won't be able to get quite as much velocity at safe pressures as with CFEBLK or SOCOM. Most of my experience with H110 has been with the 7.62x40 and I can tell you .2gr can make the difference between a safe and a unsafe pressure load, so be very careful.

As to the different twist rates. Some of the longer 150gr bullets could become unstable in extremely cold conditions at the velocity you can achieve out of a 11.3" or shorter barrel, so we run these with a 11.3 twist. We recently got 1-13 buttons and probably will be offering this twist in the shorter barrels or for customers who primarily shoot 150gr bullets since it's the optimal twist for these.


Bill, I have two 8-inch builds, one for the house and one for the car. I just purchased 800 rounds of nickel 150 gr HAMR Speer Bonded in the last month. Just confirming you're stating these are good to go in the 8-inch with 1-11.25 twist?


That load would have been my last choice for a 8" bbl since that's a tough bullet that needs quite a bit of velocity to expand. If your mission is for self/home protection I'd suggest the Speer 125gr TNT load or if more penetration is desired the 130gr HAM'R HOT-COR which I load my 11.3" with. As far as stabilizing, the 1-11.25 twist rate will stabilize all loads in a 8" down to well under zero F

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Do you ever have ready to ship 300 HAM'R uppers? Seems like every time I've looked there are none. Could buy a barrel but would prefer to prob just purchase an upper.


I'm pretty sure we have some posting on the web site early this week, if you don't see what you want we can build you one quickly, just contact Tressa and she will hook you up.

As a FYI if they are listed as a LE profile bbl they will be .700" from chamber to gas block and also .700" from the gas block to the muzzle, if listed as a Ranger they will be the lightweight bbl I prefer which is .675" from chamber to gas block and .650" from the gas block to the step up for muzzle threads

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Bill,

Just a curiosity question as to why you would prefer the 125 TNT for self/home protection vs the lehigh 110gr CC?

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Bill,

Just a curiosity question as to why you would prefer the 125 TNT for self/home protection vs the lehigh 110gr CC?


Reliable expansion out of a 8" bbl

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Bill,

Thanks a bunch for all your work on this cartridge!

Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, I thought I would ask you before doing the load workup.

Do you think H110 would give higher velocities with 95-110gr bullets in a 11.3" barrel used for defensive purposes or should I just stick with CFEBLK and drive down the road?

Also, I noticed on your site that you use a different twist rate for your 8" barrel than your other lengths - can you share why that is?

Thanks again!

P.S. - part of my interest in H110 is also that I have about 20lbs left that I use for blackout loads. :-)


SD, welcome to the forum

You can use H110 for light bullets, but you won't be able to get quite as much velocity at safe pressures as with CFEBLK or SOCOM. Most of my experience with H110 has been with the 7.62x40 and I can tell you .2gr can make the difference between a safe and a unsafe pressure load, so be very careful.

As to the different twist rates. Some of the longer 150gr bullets could become unstable in extremely cold conditions at the velocity you can achieve out of a 11.3" or shorter barrel, so we run these with a 11.3 twist. We recently got 1-13 buttons and probably will be offering this twist in the shorter barrels or for customers who primarily shoot 150gr bullets since it's the optimal twist for these.


Bill, I have two 8-inch builds, one for the house and one for the car. I just purchased 800 rounds of nickel 150 gr HAMR Speer Bonded in the last month. Just confirming you're stating these are good to go in the 8-inch with 1-11.25 twist?


That load would have been my last choice for a 8" bbl since that's a tough bullet that needs quite a bit of velocity to expand. If your mission is for self/home protection I'd suggest the Speer 125gr TNT load or if more penetration is desired the 130gr HAM'R HOT-COR which I load my 11.3" with. As far as stabilizing, the 1-11.25 twist rate will stabilize all loads in a 8" down to well under zero F


I'm in Arizona so should be good on the Zero F. laugh

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Originally Posted by Wilson Combat
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Bill,

Thanks a bunch for all your work on this cartridge!

Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, I thought I would ask you before doing the load workup.

Do you think H110 would give higher velocities with 95-110gr bullets in a 11.3" barrel used for defensive purposes or should I just stick with CFEBLK and drive down the road?

Also, I noticed on your site that you use a different twist rate for your 8" barrel than your other lengths - can you share why that is?

Thanks again!

P.S. - part of my interest in H110 is also that I have about 20lbs left that I use for blackout loads. :-)


SD, welcome to the forum

You can use H110 for light bullets, but you won't be able to get quite as much velocity at safe pressures as with CFEBLK or SOCOM. Most of my experience with H110 has been with the 7.62x40 and I can tell you .2gr can make the difference between a safe and a unsafe pressure load, so be very careful.

As to the different twist rates. Some of the longer 150gr bullets could become unstable in extremely cold conditions at the velocity you can achieve out of a 11.3" or shorter barrel, so we run these with a 11.3 twist. We recently got 1-13 buttons and probably will be offering this twist in the shorter barrels or for customers who primarily shoot 150gr bullets since it's the optimal twist for these.


Bill, I have two 8-inch builds, one for the house and one for the car. I just purchased 800 rounds of nickel 150 gr HAMR Speer Bonded in the last month. Just confirming you're stating these are good to go in the 8-inch with 1-11.25 twist?


That load would have been my last choice for a 8" bbl since that's a tough bullet that needs quite a bit of velocity to expand. If your mission is for self/home protection I'd suggest the Speer 125gr TNT load or if more penetration is desired the 130gr HAM'R HOT-COR which I load my 11.3" with. As far as stabilizing, the 1-11.25 twist rate will stabilize all loads in a 8" down to well under zero F


Bill, I mainly bought that round for the barrier performance and for my 16" HAM'R, but had thought about using it in the 8" for a truck gun. I figured a MV of 2000 fps in the 8" and and a minimum expansion velocity for the 150 gr Gold Dot at around 1850fps, making it a max 75 yard gun. I couldn't really find any data on the Gold Dot so 1850fps was just an educated guess.
I have the 130 gr HHC-N in my nightstand 8-inch HAM'R for home defense. No kids in the house, just the wife and I, so not too concerned about drywall penetration. The TNT is probably a bit safer in a residence but for short gas systems, I prefer the nickel cases for higher case pressure extractions. Any chance the TNT is coming with the nickel case option anytime soon?

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Mr. Wilson question. I am trying to decide between building my .300 Ham’r with either a 11.3 or 14.7 barrel. Which would you recommend between the two barrel lengths as a “Do It All” rifle? This will be going on a SBR lower so no worries about legalities and such. My hesitation with the 11.3” is how much effective range does one sacrifice going that short? With the drop in velocity, I am sure there is a reduced expansion threshold on the bullets.

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Mr. Wilson question. I am trying to decide between building my .300 Ham’r with either a 11.3 or 14.7 barrel. Which would you recommend between the two barrel lengths as a “Do It All” rifle? This will be going on a SBR lower so no worries about legalities and such. My hesitation with the 11.3” is how much effective range does one sacrifice going that short? With the drop in velocity, I am sure there is a reduced expansion threshold on the bullets.



First, welcome to the forum

I'd go with the 14.7" or a 16" as an all-around choice. The 11.3" makes a nice "pistol" as a truck gun for self-defense though.

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Do you have the bc’s for the 135gr hamr bonded and for the 150gr speer btsp ?

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Mr. Wilson question. I am trying to decide between building my .300 Ham’r with either a 11.3 or 14.7 barrel. Which would you recommend between the two barrel lengths as a “Do It All” rifle? This will be going on a SBR lower so no worries about legalities and such. My hesitation with the 11.3” is how much effective range does one sacrifice going that short? With the drop in velocity, I am sure there is a reduced expansion threshold on the bullets.



First, welcome to the forum

I'd go with the 14.7" or a 16" as an all-around choice. The 11.3" makes a nice "pistol" as a truck gun for self-defense though.


Thank you. Really looking forward to getting my rifle together. Have you tried the 120gr Barnes Tac-TX?

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It looks like the Barnes 120 might be too long to work well in the 300 ham'r

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It looks like the Barnes 120 might be too long to work well in the 300 ham'r


Yea that’s what I figured.

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