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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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02/15/20 09:46 PM
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Theres been a lot of discussion of the heavier class of bullets for medium size game+.. but I'm curious if anyone has been using there Ham'rs for hunting coyotes etc.? Especially which rounds you chose and why Are you just wanting to kill coyotes or hunt them for the pelts? If you just want to kill them the Hornady 110gr SP, Speer 125gr TNT or Speer 130gr HP are all excellent choices. If your after minimal pelt damage the Speer 150gr HAM'R BONDED should work well. Good point
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: TedG]
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02/16/20 12:41 AM
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Theres been a lot of discussion of the heavier class of bullets for medium size game+.. but I'm curious if anyone has been using there Ham'rs for hunting coyotes etc.? Especially which rounds you chose and why Are you just wanting to kill coyotes or hunt them for the pelts? If you just want to kill them the Hornady 110gr SP, Speer 125gr TNT or Speer 130gr HP are all excellent choices. If your after minimal pelt damage the Speer 150gr HAM'R BONDED should work well. Good point So the 150 gr will not expand with the 300 ham'r on varmits, and will pass right on through. Save the pelt. I really need to try out some 150gr for the medium sized game. Yes, There are a lot of provens so far. I just have not gotten that far yet.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: TedG]
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02/16/20 01:43 AM
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Theres been a lot of discussion of the heavier class of bullets for medium size game+.. but I'm curious if anyone has been using there Ham'rs for hunting coyotes etc.? Especially which rounds you chose and why Are you just wanting to kill coyotes or hunt them for the pelts? If you just want to kill them the Hornady 110gr SP, Speer 125gr TNT or Speer 130gr HP are all excellent choices. If your after minimal pelt damage the Speer 150gr HAM'R BONDED should work well. Good point So the 150 gr will not expand with the 300 ham'r on varmits, and will pass right on through. Save the pelt. I really need to try out some 150gr for the medium sized game. Yes, There are a lot of provens so far. I just have not gotten that far yet. Thats kinda where I'm at.. I'm wanting to step up to the 150's for medium game+ and have a 110 sp or 125 tnt for the varmit sized stuff. I know a lot of folks would just say buy several but I'd personally rather have 1-2 'go to' loads vs too many to pick from. I don't reload so that does play a part in that. I'm personally leaning towards the 150gr sst for my hog/ deer round. But like you said just haven't made it there yet.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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02/21/20 12:26 PM
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Update on the performance of the Hornady 135gr FTX
I've killed 13 hogs with this bullet so far and it's performed well. Accuracy is stellar which gives confidence for longer shots. I'm impressed enough with it that we're going to start offering ammo with this bullet in the future.
27gr CFEBLK (2430fps) seems to be the sweet spot for velocity and accuracy in my rifles. I'm loading to 2.250"-2.255" OAL which is at the top of the cannelure.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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02/21/20 10:23 PM
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MrRooster
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Update on the performance of the Hornady 135gr FTX
I've killed 13 hogs with this bullet so far and it's performed well. Accuracy is stellar which gives confidence for longer shots. I'm impressed enough with it that we're going to start offering ammo with this bullet in the future.
27gr CFEBLK (2430fps) seems to be the sweet spot for velocity and accuracy in my rifles. I'm loading to 2.250"-2.255" OAL which is at the top of the cannelure. How does that bullet compare to the 150gr sst? They both seem to be constructed very similar.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: MrRooster]
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02/22/20 01:32 PM
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Update on the performance of the Hornady 135gr FTX
I've killed 13 hogs with this bullet so far and it's performed well. Accuracy is stellar which gives confidence for longer shots. I'm impressed enough with it that we're going to start offering ammo with this bullet in the future.
27gr CFEBLK (2430fps) seems to be the sweet spot for velocity and accuracy in my rifles. I'm loading to 2.250"-2.255" OAL which is at the top of the cannelure. How does that bullet compare to the 150gr sst? They both seem to be constructed very similar. Very comparable except the 135 doesn't penetrate as deep, I wouldn't shoot an Elk sized animal with it Shot these two good boars late yesterday with the 135FTX
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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02/22/20 07:58 PM
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That's awesome! I'm glad to see that you're going to offer it in a factory load. I loaded up five with different charge weights to do a work up and I couldn't get my chronograph to cooperate so I didn't get velocity numbers. I got my rifle on paper at 25 and 5 rounds down the barrel to start breaking it in. I'll get more loaded and take it to 100 yards next trip.
God bless.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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02/22/20 09:10 PM
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MrRooster
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Update on the performance of the Hornady 135gr FTX
I've killed 13 hogs with this bullet so far and it's performed well. Accuracy is stellar which gives confidence for longer shots. I'm impressed enough with it that we're going to start offering ammo with this bullet in the future.
27gr CFEBLK (2430fps) seems to be the sweet spot for velocity and accuracy in my rifles. I'm loading to 2.250"-2.255" OAL which is at the top of the cannelure. How does that bullet compare to the 150gr sst? They both seem to be constructed very similar. Very comparable except the 135 doesn't penetrate as deep, I wouldn't shoot an Elk sized animal with it Shot these two good boars late yesterday with the 135FTX I'm definitely intrigued with this round as well.. and offering it as a factory option would be great for others like me. I just don't know if it's going to be an advantage over the 150gr sst. Too many to choose from! Is the velocity numbers you listed from a 16" barrel or 18" ?
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: ShadowFast1]
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02/22/20 09:14 PM
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That's awesome! I'm glad to see that you're going to offer it in a factory load. I loaded up five with different charge weights to do a work up and I couldn't get my chronograph to cooperate so I didn't get velocity numbers. I got my rifle on paper at 25 and 5 rounds down the barrel to start breaking it in. I'll get more loaded and take it to 100 yards next trip. What's your break in process consist of? I'm not really much of a target shooter and all the guns I've bought are used so I'm kinda new at this.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: MrRooster]
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02/22/20 10:00 PM
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I'm sure Bill has a better answer for this than I do. I went to the range fully prepared to do a shoot and clean for all five rounds but after I fired the first round I went ahead and fired the rest of them. After I got home I gave it a good cleaning with CLP to get all of the carbon and excessive copper(but not all of it) out. For me I'll probably just clean after every five rounds for the first 20-40 rounds or so, then very likely only seasonally or every 200 rounds.
God bless.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: MrRooster]
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02/23/20 12:20 PM
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Update on the performance of the Hornady 135gr FTX
I've killed 13 hogs with this bullet so far and it's performed well. Accuracy is stellar which gives confidence for longer shots. I'm impressed enough with it that we're going to start offering ammo with this bullet in the future.
27gr CFEBLK (2430fps) seems to be the sweet spot for velocity and accuracy in my rifles. I'm loading to 2.250"-2.255" OAL which is at the top of the cannelure. How does that bullet compare to the 150gr sst? They both seem to be constructed very similar. Very comparable except the 135 doesn't penetrate as deep, I wouldn't shoot an Elk sized animal with it Shot these two good boars late yesterday with the 135FTX I'm definitely intrigued with this round as well.. and offering it as a factory option would be great for others like me. I just don't know if it's going to be an advantage over the 150gr sst. Too many to choose from! Is the velocity numbers you listed from a 16" barrel or 18" ? 18" I've done most of my load work up with a specific barrel
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: MrRooster]
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02/23/20 12:21 PM
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That's awesome! I'm glad to see that you're going to offer it in a factory load. I loaded up five with different charge weights to do a work up and I couldn't get my chronograph to cooperate so I didn't get velocity numbers. I got my rifle on paper at 25 and 5 rounds down the barrel to start breaking it in. I'll get more loaded and take it to 100 yards next trip. What's your break in process consist of? I'm not really much of a target shooter and all the guns I've bought are used so I'm kinda new at this.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: MrRooster]
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02/23/20 12:24 PM
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That's awesome! I'm glad to see that you're going to offer it in a factory load. I loaded up five with different charge weights to do a work up and I couldn't get my chronograph to cooperate so I didn't get velocity numbers. I got my rifle on paper at 25 and 5 rounds down the barrel to start breaking it in. I'll get more loaded and take it to 100 yards next trip. What's your break in process consist of? I'm not really much of a target shooter and all the guns I've bought are used so I'm kinda new at this. I usually shoot 18rds (6 three shot groups), clean and then clean every 200rds or so. I've shot some of my best groups with over 200rds through a barrel though. Based on my personal experience barrel cleaning of quality barrels is way over rated.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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02/25/20 11:26 AM
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That's awesome! I'm glad to see that you're going to offer it in a factory load. I loaded up five with different charge weights to do a work up and I couldn't get my chronograph to cooperate so I didn't get velocity numbers. I got my rifle on paper at 25 and 5 rounds down the barrel to start breaking it in. I'll get more loaded and take it to 100 yards next trip. What's your break in process consist of? I'm not really much of a target shooter and all the guns I've bought are used so I'm kinda new at this. I usually shoot 18rds (6 three shot groups), clean and then clean every 200rds or so. I've shot some of my best groups with over 200rds through a barrel though. Based on my personal experience barrel cleaning of quality barrels is way over rated. A three shot group has always been good enough for me to prove out the rifle. For your three shot groups, do you insure that your last shot for that group is not the last round in the magazine, or in your opinion does it matter?
Last edited by onlysmith&wesson; 02/25/20 11:27 AM.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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02/25/20 12:38 PM
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That's awesome! I'm glad to see that you're going to offer it in a factory load. I loaded up five with different charge weights to do a work up and I couldn't get my chronograph to cooperate so I didn't get velocity numbers. I got my rifle on paper at 25 and 5 rounds down the barrel to start breaking it in. I'll get more loaded and take it to 100 yards next trip. What's your break in process consist of? I'm not really much of a target shooter and all the guns I've bought are used so I'm kinda new at this. I usually shoot 18rds (6 three shot groups), clean and then clean every 200rds or so. I've shot some of my best groups with over 200rds through a barrel though. Based on my personal experience barrel cleaning of quality barrels is way over rated. A three shot group has always been good enough for me to prove out the rifle. For your three shot groups, do you insure that your last shot for that group is not the last round in the magazine, or in your opinion does it matter? I usually load 6 and shoot two 3 shot groups then let the bbl cool. I've never noticed any difference firing the last round out of the mag to bolt stop.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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02/26/20 12:00 AM
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That's awesome! I'm glad to see that you're going to offer it in a factory load. I loaded up five with different charge weights to do a work up and I couldn't get my chronograph to cooperate so I didn't get velocity numbers. I got my rifle on paper at 25 and 5 rounds down the barrel to start breaking it in. I'll get more loaded and take it to 100 yards next trip. What's your break in process consist of? I'm not really much of a target shooter and all the guns I've bought are used so I'm kinda new at this. I usually shoot 18rds (6 three shot groups), clean and then clean every 200rds or so. I've shot some of my best groups with over 200rds through a barrel though. Based on my personal experience barrel cleaning of quality barrels is way over rated. Thanks for answering both questions, that helps.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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03/08/20 03:00 PM
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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03/10/20 05:05 PM
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Good looking pigs DavidK!
Bill, I've been thinking about a pinned and welded 14.7" with the Q Comp in .300 Ham'r. Does that combination get it to 16" and is that something they can do at the shop?
God bless.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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03/10/20 07:30 PM
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Bout to go Axis hunting on Thursday. Shots no more than 200yds. Planning on using my 300 Hamr w/130gr Speer Hot-Cors.
I have no doubt this should be enough to drop a big buck but want to make sure. Should I roll with the nice small 300 Hamr package or use my heavy 20" 308 Steyr Pro THB?
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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03/10/20 11:07 PM
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Bout to go Axis hunting on Thursday. Shots no more than 200yds. Planning on using my 300 Hamr w/130gr Speer Hot-Cors.
I have no doubt this should be enough to drop a big buck but want to make sure. Should I roll with the nice small 300 Hamr package or use my heavy 20" 308 Steyr Pro THB? Being the shots are less than 200 yds. I’d be tempted to take the Hamr... you have the 16 or 18 inch barrel?
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: dlrz71]
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03/11/20 01:10 AM
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: ShadowFast1]
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03/11/20 12:32 PM
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Good looking pigs DavidK!
Bill, I've been thinking about a pinned and welded 14.7" with the Q Comp in .300 Ham'r. Does that combination get it to 16" and is that something they can do at the shop? Yes, a pinned 14.7" with QC is over 16" and we weld them after pinning
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
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03/12/20 02:46 PM
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I'm just following up on if any progress has been made on a short barrel optimized cartridge. I've been shooting the 150 gr stuff after Bill's post on velocities out of the short barrel. It works great, but I would really love something designed to maximize performance out of the 11.3 in barrel sold by Wilson Combat. Even better if it was designed with self-defense in mind. I just joined the forum for the purpose of posting in this thread. I've enjoyed the comments here immensely. I own an 11.3 inch Wilson Combat 300 HAM'R and I absolutely love it. It has become my do-everything gun. The combination of increased bullet weight and still high velocities makes it more useful to me than a 5.56/.223, but I still get it in a light weight AR and with a relatively light recoil. Incredible!
Bill, I have a request. I don't reload, but I would love to buy a 300 HAM'R cartridge designed for AR pistol lengths. One that maximizes velocities for the short barrel. You've already posted on this thread several thoughts about alternative powders that might help this. I would just like to encourage you to bring a product like this to market, folks like me will buy it. I'm already planning to buy more 150 gr ammo based on the data you showed about less velocity loss in short barrels. You wouldn't need to offer all the bullet weights, even just one round optimized for the 11.3 in barrel (maximizing accuracy with weight and velocity) would be very much appreciated.
And I would love to test it and give my feedback! Your not the first one to make this request, so we'll work on it.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: Thornroht]
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03/12/20 02:59 PM
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I'm just following up on if any progress has been made on a short barrel optimized cartridge. I've been shooting the 150 gr stuff after Bill's post on velocities out of the short barrel. It works great, but I would really love something designed to maximize performance out of the 11.3 in barrel sold by Wilson Combat. Even better if it was designed with self-defense in mind. I just joined the forum for the purpose of posting in this thread. I've enjoyed the comments here immensely. I own an 11.3 inch Wilson Combat 300 HAM'R and I absolutely love it. It has become my do-everything gun. The combination of increased bullet weight and still high velocities makes it more useful to me than a 5.56/.223, but I still get it in a light weight AR and with a relatively light recoil. Incredible!
Bill, I have a request. I don't reload, but I would love to buy a 300 HAM'R cartridge designed for AR pistol lengths. One that maximizes velocities for the short barrel. You've already posted on this thread several thoughts about alternative powders that might help this. I would just like to encourage you to bring a product like this to market, folks like me will buy it. I'm already planning to buy more 150 gr ammo based on the data you showed about less velocity loss in short barrels. You wouldn't need to offer all the bullet weights, even just one round optimized for the 11.3 in barrel (maximizing accuracy with weight and velocity) would be very much appreciated.
And I would love to test it and give my feedback! Your not the first one to make this request, so we'll work on it. Ain't it great to be able to have a direct connection with the owner of a large company????
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R
[Re: DLALLDER]
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03/12/20 04:46 PM
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It's not just personal curiousity. I'm looking to recommend the .300 Ham'r to colleagues and clients. There is strong demand for a high performance short barrel AR-15 rifle cartridge, especially for self defense purposes.
But you are right, I'm incredibly grateful for Bill's insight and willingness to engage directly with us here on this forum!
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