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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7707636 01/04/20 12:23 PM
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They did great. Gotta love it when the kids go hunting, especially the grandkids.


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Originally Posted by DavidK
They did great. Gotta love it when the kids go hunting, especially the grandkids.


Plus 1 to that. I just donated some more to the grandkids because of the site sales this morning. Good stuff. Not sure about the armored rat for dinner concept though!. Happy plinking


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7707776 01/04/20 04:03 PM
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What fcg's are you normally running? I prefer the single stage units normally so I did get the TTU tactical for this build to try out. This is my first wc trigger group (fcg) but with my 3rd 20" wc barrel.

edit: I really do not like the extra click/ noise of a two stage. Therefore I have not acquired a feel for it. (This sound is more irritating to me than my en-blok release on the M1 garand.)

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7708182 01/05/20 01:17 AM
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My girls wanted more chili meat so I headed out to our property. It didn’t take much for me to load up and go hunting. This fat doe showed up early on the evening hunt. 130gr Hotcore 300 HAM’R round and down she went. Crazy exit wound! The girls will be excited for their Frito chilli pie [Linked Image]
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: MC68] #7714653 01/11/20 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MC68
My girls wanted more chili meat so I headed out to our property. It didn’t take much for me to load up and go hunting. This fat doe showed up early on the evening hunt. 130gr Hotcore 300 HAM’R round and down she went. Crazy exit wound! The girls will be excited for their Frito chilli pie [Linked Image]
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The gestation period is 200 days ish. That could prove the crazy exit wound. Happy chili meat.

Nice looking weapon, congrats

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: Wilson Combat] #7715128 01/12/20 04:35 AM
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Sig Ammunition is AR is just finishing up our first production run of 300 HAM'R cases and they turned out really nice. We'll receive our first shipment late next week.

Also Hodgdon posted 300 HAM'R load data on their web site today. I don't necessarily agree with some of the data except the Sierra 125gr SPT PH loads and none of them are up to the SAAMI max pressure of 57,500PSI (same as the .204 Ruger) for the cartridge if you convert CUP to PSI.


Bill,
Is the brass offered on your web site the Sig brand?
Thanks,


We're in a transition stage on cases so I will have to check. Once we started receiving Sig mfg cases we have loaded all ammo with them and put our remaining Starline mfg cases in the warehouse for component sales. I'm guessing we've probably sold most of the Starline by now. We're scheduled to receive another shipment from Sig mid-month which is good since we're very low on cases right now. Sales ammo has been very good lately.

Starline is re-tooling and cases off the new tooling should have the increased case capacity too.

Both brands are of excellent quality and the extra capacity really only matters when charge weights go over 28gr.. When pressure testing both cases gave the same basic pressure at the same velocity, but the Starline usually did it with .2-.3gr less powder.

You can tell the two cases apart by the following features:

Starline
Headstamp marking is deeper and takes up more of the case head
Shoulder is less pronounced

Sig
Smaller and lighter headstamp marking
Very well formed shoulder (this is where a lot of the extra capacity comes from)
All nickel plated (suppressor ammo) cases are Sig mfg



I just opened up a 250 count Starline order I've been sitting on for a bit and the headstamp looks identical to the spent WC cases I have been using minus the logo, the stamping depth is the same, that means i have the original Starline with equivalent case capacity to the WC cases I've been using correct? Is there a good way to measure the internal capacity? Or should i just fill the cases with powder and compare how much fits? not in any rush to start using the unfired brass just planning for the future...

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: OddJob94] #7715242 01/12/20 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OddJob94
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Sig Ammunition is AR is just finishing up our first production run of 300 HAM'R cases and they turned out really nice. We'll receive our first shipment late next week.

Also Hodgdon posted 300 HAM'R load data on their web site today. I don't necessarily agree with some of the data except the Sierra 125gr SPT PH loads and none of them are up to the SAAMI max pressure of 57,500PSI (same as the .204 Ruger) for the cartridge if you convert CUP to PSI.


Bill,
Is the brass offered on your web site the Sig brand?
Thanks,


We're in a transition stage on cases so I will have to check. Once we started receiving Sig mfg cases we have loaded all ammo with them and put our remaining Starline mfg cases in the warehouse for component sales. I'm guessing we've probably sold most of the Starline by now. We're scheduled to receive another shipment from Sig mid-month which is good since we're very low on cases right now. Sales ammo has been very good lately.

Starline is re-tooling and cases off the new tooling should have the increased case capacity too.

Both brands are of excellent quality and the extra capacity really only matters when charge weights go over 28gr.. When pressure testing both cases gave the same basic pressure at the same velocity, but the Starline usually did it with .2-.3gr less powder.

You can tell the two cases apart by the following features:

Starline
Headstamp marking is deeper and takes up more of the case head
Shoulder is less pronounced

Sig
Smaller and lighter headstamp marking
Very well formed shoulder (this is where a lot of the extra capacity comes from)
All nickel plated (suppressor ammo) cases are Sig mfg



I just opened up a 250 count Starline order I've been sitting on for a bit and the headstamp looks identical to the spent WC cases I have been using minus the logo, the stamping depth is the same, that means i have the original Starline with equivalent case capacity to the WC cases I've been using correct? Is there a good way to measure the internal capacity? Or should i just fill the cases with powder and compare how much fits? not in any rush to start using the unfired brass just planning for the future...


Sounds like you are comparing Starline cases to WC headstamp cases mfg for us by Starline so should be the same. Most of our current inventory (and all of the nickel cases) is mfg by Sig and has .2gr more capacity.

Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7722006 01/19/20 02:17 AM
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Filled the freezer with this guy. 130gr Hotcore.

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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: MC68] #7722480 01/19/20 07:29 PM
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For Immediate Release

Wilson Combat is excited to announce that the 300 HAM’R cartridge, originally developed in 2018, has been accepted by SAAMI as a standardized cartridge.

The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), is the organization at the forefront of promoting firearm safety by creating standards that ensure safety, reliability and interchangeability of firearms, ammunition and components.

The .30 caliber cartridge is designed to optimize performance of 95gr-150gr bullets and to function in the AR15 platform. Muzzle velocities range from 2280fps to 2770fps out of a 16” barrel depending on bullet weight. The cartridge operates at a maximum average pressure of 57,500psi.

Designed for self defense, law enforcement and hunting applications, the terminal performance of the cartridge is comparable to the legendary .30-30 Winchester. However, the 300 HAM’R has a substantially flatter trajectory due to the higher ballistic coefficient of the bullets used.

In addition, Wilson Combat would like to publicly thank Starline Brass of Sedalia, MO, Western Powders of Miles City, MT and Sig Sauer Ammunition of Jacksonville, AR for their assistance during development and an extra thanks to Sig Sauer Ammunition for submitting the cartridge to SAAMI.

About Wilson Combat:

Wilson Combat has been in business since 1977 and is an industry leading manufacturer of high quality firearms for self protection, law enforcement, military and recreational use. Headquartered in Berryville, Arkansas Wilson Combat manufactures cutting edge handguns, rifles, shotguns, firearm accessories and ammunition. Visit WILSONCOMBAT.COM for more information.
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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7722489 01/19/20 07:46 PM
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That is good news Bill, Congrats


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: kmon11] #7722508 01/19/20 08:11 PM
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That is good news Bill, Congrats


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7722659 01/19/20 10:49 PM
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Congrats, Bill.




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Congratulations!

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Congratulations. I've recently been on the receiving end of great service from Wilson Combat. From ordering, shipping, down to the packaging of an exceptionally machined product, everything was above expectation. Well deserved.


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Awesome. Love my 300 Hamrs!


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Awesome!! Congrats!! So I guess that means Sig was the mystery ammo manufacturer??? I would love a Rattler in 300 HAM'R!!!!

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Awesome!! Congrats!! So I guess that means Sig was the mystery ammo manufacturer??? I would love a Rattler in 300 HAM'R!!!!


Yes, both Sig and SBR will have ammo available soon. Sig will also be selling cases.

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Bill, Faye & I were in Pat's Milo Bottom as it is called yesterday and heard you working. We are trying to put another doe or two in the freezer but it has been terrible this year. Can't even see any hogs during daylight but still have about 5 weeks to get it done.




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Speer 150gr Bonded with Nickel Cases ammo is live on Wilson Combat!!!

Bill, have you done any non-scientific chrono with bullet drop at known range testing to determine if the BC of this bullet is really .503???

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Originally Posted by SwatDude1
Speer 150gr Bonded with Nickel Cases ammo is live on Wilson Combat!!!

Bill, have you done any non-scientific chrono with bullet drop at known range testing to determine if the BC of this bullet is really .503???


What is the advantage of nickel cases?

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Speer 150gr Bonded with Nickel Cases ammo is live on Wilson Combat!!!

Bill, have you done any non-scientific chrono with bullet drop at known range testing to determine if the BC of this bullet is really .503???


What is the advantage of nickel cases?

They are slick and easier to extract as the chamber starts to foul.

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Originally Posted by SwatDude1
Speer 150gr Bonded with Nickel Cases ammo is live on Wilson Combat!!!

Bill, have you done any non-scientific chrono with bullet drop at known range testing to determine if the BC of this bullet is really .503???


Not yet, that's the # Speer gave us and I think it's VERY optimistic, I think upper 300s is more realistic

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Originally Posted by sage3155
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Speer 150gr Bonded with Nickel Cases ammo is live on Wilson Combat!!!

Bill, have you done any non-scientific chrono with bullet drop at known range testing to determine if the BC of this bullet is really .503???


What is the advantage of nickel cases?


Overall improved extraction. But the major advantage is for suppressor use. An example: If you fire 5 shots which warms the gun up some and creates quite a bit of ammonia in the chamber and leave it loaded like I do in my Kawasaki mule or Jeep for a few days you can barely extract the corroded brass case cartridge. If you do the same thing with a nickel case load it extracts normal and only has a light soot on it that easily wipes off with your fingers. If you always unload your rifle promptly after firing it then nickel cases are of no advantage.

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Speer 150gr Bonded with Nickel Cases ammo is live on Wilson Combat!!!

Bill, have you done any non-scientific chrono with bullet drop at known range testing to determine if the BC of this bullet is really .503???


What is the advantage of nickel cases?


Overall improved extraction. But the major advantage is for suppressor use. An example: If you fire 5 shots which warms the gun up some and creates quite a bit of ammonia in the chamber and leave it loaded like I do in my Kawasaki mule or Jeep for a few days you can barely extract the corroded brass case cartridge. If you do the same thing with a nickel case load it extracts normal and only has a light soot on it that easily wipes off with your fingers. If you always unload your rifle promptly after firing it then nickel cases are of no advantage.


Thanks for the info. I'm a reloader and have ruined a set of .308 dies because of nickel plated brass. Never really understood why people liked them. As a reloader they are hard on the equipment, hard to sort by weight, and just overall don't fit in to my process. I don't typically leave a round in the chamber, ever. It's quick enough to get a round into the chamber if you have a loaded magazine inserted. Also, as a precision nutjob I clean my guns meticulously every time I shoot them. So it sounds like there is no advantage for me.

I did order some of the 150 hamr bonded rounds to try out. I've also tested some handloads with the speer 150gr gold dot blk. They are showing much more promise than the SST (for my barrel). I already have a load that is right at an inch at 100 yards, just a bit on the slow side. I'm working up slowly and based on the group sizes it looks like I"m about to hit another accuracy node. My work with the Sierra 150 grain FN fell flat. I was able to get the velocity I wanted but the groups never came back together. I'll keep ya'll posted on the next set of test groups when I have results. Also, there may be another .300 hamr barrel on order as I have an upper that needs a new barrel. smile

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