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 Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Derrick]
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12/06/19 10:39 PM
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As said earlier, being on the x is key. A few years ago I scouted an x on a local lake the was about 300 yards from the boat launch. No one knew about it (or we beat them there). I decided to set up about 40 yards away because the hide was better. It didn't matter. we weren't where they were used to going so they gave us the faintest look and landed there. We moved and started getting birds.
When we were in Kansas we saw thousands of geese. I know why a small spread was 500 decoys. My 4 confidence canadas couldn't draw the crowds in, but we did get some singles to give us a short look. If I hand't lost my canada call we might have had a chance. I drop more calls in the water than anyone I know. Usually they're new and I haven't put them on my lanyard yet. You would think I would learn to do that the night before but now I'm just being stubborn about it. That's why I don't take the expensive ones if we are hunting in water.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Smokey Bear]
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12/07/19 09:58 PM
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Just my opinion but I have never bought into this "decoys x,y,z formation" stuff.
Go look at groups of wild birds on the water...are they in a J formation? A V formation? No. They are not. Generally on big water they're rafted up in a big group or in smaller clusters at random. Nature is random. Put your decoys in random clusters. Not some unnatural looking letter. I also agree with this. To me, where the spread is, as a whole, in relation to wind direction is much more important than “formation”. I think some people overthink it. Maybe so, but maybe not. I often kill limits of waterfowl with a 410. Up to and including giant Canada geese. I do that by planning where I finish the birds. (It is a hell of a good time) You can't kill no giant Canada goose with a 410. Come on man!
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: wal1809]
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12/08/19 10:49 AM
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Just my opinion but I have never bought into this "decoys x,y,z formation" stuff.
Go look at groups of wild birds on the water...are they in a J formation? A V formation? No. They are not. Generally on big water they're rafted up in a big group or in smaller clusters at random. Nature is random. Put your decoys in random clusters. Not some unnatural looking letter. I also agree with this. To me, where the spread is, as a whole, in relation to wind direction is much more important than “formation”. I think some people overthink it. Maybe so, but maybe not. I often kill limits of waterfowl with a 410. Up to and including giant Canada geese. I do that by planning where I finish the birds. (It is a hell of a good time) You can't kill no giant Canada goose with a 410. Come on man! You must not have hunted them much.... Their head is the size of a quail. This is the first one ever with a 410 along side my old lab. ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/12/full-62286-210635-1fff7510_d5b2_4e65_8f2b_18ea7a51cfb7.png)
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Smokey Bear]
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12/10/19 12:07 AM
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I dont see a 410 in that picture.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: wal1809]
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12/10/19 12:33 AM
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Guy
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I dont see a 410 in that picture. A 410 has same pellet size and FPS as a 12 gauge, just less pellets. I dropped canada's dead with 12ga #4 shot.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Guy]
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12/10/19 10:42 AM
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I dont see a 410 in that picture. A 410 has same pellet size and FPS as a 12 gauge, just less pellets. I dropped canada's dead with 12ga #4 shot. Yep. A half ounce of steel at 1400 FPS with a tight choke is a lot of fun with a 410.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Smokey Bear]
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12/10/19 12:30 PM
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I used smaller steel load and more gun powder, 1560 FPS.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Guy]
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12/10/19 01:30 PM
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I dont see a 410 in that picture. A 410 has same pellet size and FPS as a 12 gauge, just less pellets. I dropped canada's dead with 12ga #4 shot. Come on guy!
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Derrick]
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12/10/19 01:58 PM
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If anyone thinks that you cannot kill a goose or a whitetail deer with a 410 they need to start over and learn to hunt from the beginning.
Cochise will give you some discounted lessons
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: ducknbass]
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12/10/19 02:10 PM
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If anyone thinks that you cannot kill a goose or a whitetail deer with a 410 they need to start over and learn to hunt from the beginning.
Cochise will give you some discounted lessons If your not shooting ducks with a 410 on public, are you even hunting?
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Derrick]
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12/10/19 02:27 PM
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I wouldn't take a 410 hunting. I need all the shot in the air I can. Plus those shells are expensive.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: ducknbass]
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12/10/19 02:55 PM
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I wouldn't take a 410 hunting. I need all the shot in the air I can. Plus those shells are expensive. Well some sport you are. I only shoot drakes feet down with a 410 or sling shot for the first split.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: Derrick]
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12/10/19 03:34 PM
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That sounds like a nice load Guy.  ducknbass, if you load your own, both the 410 and 28 gauge are very economical to shoot.. Mack’s prairie wings has 3” steel in 410 for $129.99 a case. It is 3/8 oz @ 1400 FPS. Hand loaders can beat both the price and performance.
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Re: Need input. Can’t get ducks to come in to decoys
[Re: huntwest]
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12/10/19 10:21 PM
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Yep the old blue heron, I still use that one myself, I've been know to are a couple goose decoys to the spread as well.
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