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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 01:20 AM
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More importantly, moose are not difficult to kill, according to those with experience.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: mikei]
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11/08/19 02:30 AM
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1. 6.5 Grendel 2. Any .25 bore
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: Jgraider]
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11/08/19 02:38 AM
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It's all a matter of opinion anyway, not fact. ^^^^THIS^^^^
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: mikei]
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11/08/19 07:01 PM
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I’m pretty sure a few million deer have been killed by a .22 ! Probably the most underrated of all . Although not legal.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 07:25 PM
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6.5 Grendel. I love the caliber - perfect ratio of accuracy, recoil, and stopping power for hunting game in Texas.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 07:26 PM
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I have an original condition(un butchered) Swede. I have often sat hoping for a hog but none have showed. In Sweden, that's considered a moose gun. The moose in Sweden are a lot smaller than a Yukon moose. So it’s not really an apples to apples comparison when people say “ oh they kill moose over there with 6.5’s”. Most moose that are killed ( 90-95% according to what I can find ) are less than 5 years old so a lot of immature moose make up the harvest. They also hunt with dogs, so it makes tracking easier. Again, the Swede is a fine game round but it’s not Thor’s Hammer. If cartridges like the 6.5 Swede was all you needed Guys like Roy Westherby would have starved to death Modest velocity and heavy for caliber bullets (what the old 6.5 sweed was and is over there) are a great recipe for a well penetrating hunting bullet. I wouldn't bat an eye at shooting a moose with a 6.5x55, or an elk or bear. I think much more of our perception of killing power is based on the size of the casing and I do not think its accurate at all.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 07:26 PM
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It's all a matter of opinion anyway, not fact. ^^^^THIS^^^^ yup
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 07:30 PM
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I have an original condition(un butchered) Swede. I have often sat hoping for a hog but none have showed. In Sweden, that's considered a moose gun. The moose in Sweden are a lot smaller than a Yukon moose. So it’s not really an apples to apples comparison when people say “ oh they kill moose over there with 6.5’s”. Most moose that are killed ( 90-95% according to what I can find ) are less than 5 years old so a lot of immature moose make up the harvest. They also hunt with dogs, so it makes tracking easier. Again, the Swede is a fine game round but it’s not Thor’s Hammer. If cartridges like the 6.5 Swede was all you needed Guys like Roy Westherby would have starved to death Modest velocity and heavy for caliber bullets (what the old 6.5 sweed was and is over there) are a great recipe for a well penetrating hunting bullet. I wouldn't bat an eye at shooting a moose with a 6.5x55, or an elk or bear. I think much more of our perception of killing power is based on the size of the casing and I do not think its accurate at all. I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: txtrophy85]
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11/08/19 07:43 PM
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I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
"In front of" is exactly how far now?
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: txtrophy85]
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11/08/19 07:51 PM
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I have an original condition(un butchered) Swede. I have often sat hoping for a hog but none have showed. In Sweden, that's considered a moose gun. The moose in Sweden are a lot smaller than a Yukon moose. So it’s not really an apples to apples comparison when people say “ oh they kill moose over there with 6.5’s”. Most moose that are killed ( 90-95% according to what I can find ) are less than 5 years old so a lot of immature moose make up the harvest. They also hunt with dogs, so it makes tracking easier. Again, the Swede is a fine game round but it’s not Thor’s Hammer. If cartridges like the 6.5 Swede was all you needed Guys like Roy Westherby would have starved to death Modest velocity and heavy for caliber bullets (what the old 6.5 sweed was and is over there) are a great recipe for a well penetrating hunting bullet. I wouldn't bat an eye at shooting a moose with a 6.5x55, or an elk or bear. I think much more of our perception of killing power is based on the size of the casing and I do not think its accurate at all. I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede Why?
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 07:57 PM
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I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
Why? He read it somewhere, along with how a .243 is woefully inadequate for deer hunting. I guess those that make these claims don't understand how to match a cartridge with the proper bullets. I've personally seen the landowner's son where we mule deer hunt kill several hundred inches of bucks the last 3 years with a 243/95gr Nosler Ballistic tip. Seems he know how to use it.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: mikei]
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11/08/19 08:02 PM
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My dad bought me a 250/3000 savage in a model 99 F with a 6 power weaver scope when I was 7 years old. I am now 73 and still use it. It has killed numerous whitetails, a few mule deer, a couple of elk, and a few prong horns. If you put the round in the sweet spot it will do the job. Not saying it is my modern day pick but it sure brings back a ton of great memories.!!!! I have been very lucky.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: mikei]
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11/08/19 08:09 PM
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We should start a new excuse thread, worst ammo and bullet make
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 08:59 PM
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We should start a new excuse thread, worst ammo and bullet make Agree 218 bee
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: Jgraider]
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11/08/19 09:16 PM
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I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
Why? He read it somewhere, along with how a .243 is woefully inadequate for deer hunting. I guess those that make these claims don't understand how to match a cartridge with the proper bullets. I've personally seen the landowner's son where we mule deer hunt kill several hundred inches of bucks the last 3 years with a 243/95gr Nosler Ballistic tip. Seems he know how to use it. I know a lot of big deer are killed with a .243 win. I know one guy who has hunted the world over ( very successfully )and a .243 with a 80 grain Barnes is one of his favorite calibers. I’ve just trailed too many deer thru the brush shot with a .243 that were hit really well
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: tigger]
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11/08/19 09:35 PM
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We should start a new excuse thread, worst ammo and bullet make Agree 218 bee Sir that’s a caliber.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 09:44 PM
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I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
Why? He read it somewhere, along with how a .243 is woefully inadequate for deer hunting. I guess those that make these claims don't understand how to match a cartridge with the proper bullets. I've personally seen the landowner's son where we mule deer hunt kill several hundred inches of bucks the last 3 years with a 243/95gr Nosler Ballistic tip. Seems he know how to use it. I know a lot of big deer are killed with a .243 win. I know one guy who has hunted the world over ( very successfully )and a .243 with a 80 grain Barnes is one of his favorite calibers. I’ve just trailed too many deer thru the brush shot with a .243 that were hit really well Perfect example of user error, not inadequate equipment. Lot's of hunters trail game shot with 300 WM's too.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 09:55 PM
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I have been shoooting a 6.5x55 Swedish for years in a Rem Model 700 Classic. It is a great round for deer sized game. I haven't shot an elk with it but wouldn't hesitate to do so. My rifle really likes the Seller & Belloit factory round with the 131 gr bullet. I tried for years to beat the accuracy of that round with a handload but couldn't do it. I could equal the accuracy but not beat it so I laid in about 500 rounds of that ammo and have been happily shooting my way through it.
If you have never tried the Swede, do so. You can thank me later.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 10:01 PM
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I have been shoooting a 6.5x55 Swedish for years in a Rem Model 700 Classic. It is a great round for deer sized game. I haven't shot an elk with it but wouldn't hesitate to do so. My rifle really likes the Seller & Belloit factory round with the 131 gr bullet. I tried for years to beat the accuracy of that round with a handload but couldn't do it. I could equal the accuracy but not beat it so I laid in about 500 rounds of that ammo and have been happily shooting my way through it.
If you have never tried the Swede, do so. You can thank me later. I've wanted a Win. Featherweight in that round for years now. I just never take the time to stalk Gunbroker regularly anymore. I think it would make a perfect "the Old Man's last rifle." Thanks for the tip on Seller & Belloit.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/08/19 10:04 PM
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I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
Why? I have personally killed 25 elk and have been in on the taking of more than 100 others. I have also taken my share of bear. I grew up in CO so shooting elk was a yearly event. I have also been shooting the Swede for decades. I would not hesitate to shoot the biggest elk in the woods with my Swede if it presented a good shot.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/09/19 12:00 AM
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.270 and .280 never did me wrong.
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
[Re: txtrophy85]
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11/09/19 03:54 AM
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I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
I have a friend, member of this forum who told me his elk guide killed every one of his elk with a 243. It's the Indian sometimes and not the arrow
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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11/10/19 03:48 PM
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Re: top 5 underrated cartridges
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I promise you if you were in front of a big elk or bear you would want something with more umph than a 6.5 Swede
Why? I have personally killed 25 elk and have been in on the taking of more than 100 others. I have also taken my share of bear. I grew up in CO so shooting elk was a yearly event. I have also been shooting the Swede for decades. I would not hesitate to shoot the biggest elk in the woods with my Swede if it presented a good shot. Did you ever kill a bull elk with a 6.5 Swede? I’m not saying that it won’t work in given scenarios, but how many guys go on elk hunts and carry a 6.5 swede? Growing up in Colorado you have opportunity to be much more selective than a guy on a 5 day hunt.
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