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Landlocked legal question!!! #7581975 08/17/19 01:50 AM
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So my family owns some land about 10acrs i wanted to set up a bow blind on. Turns out its land locked in an actual hunting club. I called the guy running the lease and asked if there was an opening, and man was he a real sausage. I was being super nice too and he had a real "tough s%$t we running cows and leasing your land and the lease is full and not a damb thing you can do about it" attitude. So anywho i told my buddy who is a pilot and owns a helicopter who said he would fly me out there opening morning and help me set off fireworks.
Just curious what could be the possible downfall of this plan?



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Going to jail for hunter harassment is a sure thing.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Going to jail for hunter harassment is a sure thing.



Re: Landlocked legal question!!! [Re: Koenig] #7581987 08/17/19 02:01 AM
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Do you mean besides the hunter harassment charges.

Land locked or not seems like without a written lease from the LO sausage man is mostly bluff & bs.

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Sounds like a terrible idea.


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Re: Landlocked legal question!!! [Re: Koenig] #7581992 08/17/19 02:06 AM
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A) how do so many people buy landlocked land without understanding how these things work?
B) how do you come up with the great things you post on this forum?

Please have your buddy drop you off a helicopter on the 10 acres. That’s an awesome idea, and I mean that sincerely. roflmao


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Originally Posted by Rustler
Do you mean besides the hunter harassment charges.

Land locked or not seems like without a written lease from the LO sausage man is mostly bluff & bs.


Sausage man is not the LO. The LO and my grandmother were childhood friends. Im gonna reach out to him first



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never trust a man that rents pigs....
Re: Landlocked legal question!!! [Re: Duck_Hunter] #7581994 08/17/19 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
A) how do so many people buy landlocked land without understanding how these things work?
B) how do you come up with the great things you post on this forum?

Please have your buddy drop you off a helicopter on the 10 acres. That’s an awesome idea, and I mean that sincerely. roflmao


The land has been in our family since the 20's



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never trust a man that rents pigs....
Re: Landlocked legal question!!! [Re: Koenig] #7582004 08/17/19 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Koenig
So my family owns some land about 10acrs i wanted to set up a bow blind on............


Originally Posted by Koenig
Sausage man is not the LO. The LO and my grandmother were childhood friends. Im gonna reach out to him first


Huh.......... confused2


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Lemme guess - an old railroad scam of a town that was going to be there? My family had one for many years, smack dab in the middle of the Story (sp?) Ranch in Cotulla. 10 acres and a "lot in town". My great-grandfather and my grandfather had bought a bunch of them (we found out 600 contiguous acres worth, originally...by Cotulla crying ). Dad and his brothers religiously paid the taxes, then the widows, then my mom told me to call this guy that had called her. He'd recently bought ten acres in the same plat, in the Story ranch and that he'd tried to hunt it and they'd fenced him out. He was taking them to court and wanted my help. I told him I didn't think he could win and that it's no fun hunting when someone might be hunting you. He kept me informed. First, they found out the Judge that was going to hear it had hunted with the Storys. grin Then, the next court date they found out that Mrs. Story (the matriarch) was named to be on the jury. roflmao I think the kid gave up. Me and a cousin went down there, researched our 10 acres, asked Mrs. Story if she was interested in buying it, and she did.

Still, I'd like to see the deer that run on that 600 acres that was my family's for a short period of time and history. (And, of course, the O&G royalties wouldn't be anything I'd sneeze at neither.)


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You cannot have landlocked land in Texas.

There has to be a legal access somewhere. I would guess you have a prescription easement.

Call the landowner but pull the title commitment and deed on the property as well


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I would never refer to any man that was friends with my grandmother as "sausage man". bolt


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This reeks of East Texas?

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Originally Posted by Tbar
Originally Posted by Koenig
So my family owns some land about 10acrs i wanted to set up a bow blind on............


Originally Posted by Koenig
Sausage man is not the LO. The LO and my grandmother were childhood friends. Im gonna reach out to him first


Huh.......... confused2


The original owners would be my great grandparents who purchased it in the 20's and it was our family homestead. They purchased it from the family who has it surrounded. Their son and my grand mother grew up together and were close friends.



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Originally Posted by Creekrunner
I would never refer to any man that was friends with my grandmother as "sausage man". bolt


lol sausage man is just the guy running the hunting lease.



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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
This reeks of East Texas?


Actually about 1hr south of Houston in Wharton County



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Originally Posted by Koenig
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This reeks of East Texas?


Actually about 1hr south of Houston in Wharton County



Now on Mom's side, her great-grandfather had quite a bit of land in Wharton county...before the war. That would be the one from 1861-1865. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's where a small percentage of my DNA, according to Ancestry.com, of "Cameroon, Congo, and Southern Bantu Tribes" comes from. But I digress. Strange times. Then and now.


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
You cannot have landlocked land in Texas.

There has to be a legal access somewhere. I would guess you have a prescription easement.

Call the landowner but pull the title commitment and deed on the property as well

This.
You must have access to land in Texas. Might locked out from having utilities but access is a given.


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Originally Posted by TexFlip
Originally Posted by txtrophy85
You cannot have landlocked land in Texas.

There has to be a legal access somewhere. I would guess you have a prescription easement.

Call the landowner but pull the title commitment and deed on the property as well

This.
You must have access to land in Texas. Might locked out from having utilities but access is a given.

That is true, but it might cost quite a bit finding out where it is at. Selling it makes the most sense.

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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
You cannot have landlocked land in Texas.

There has to be a legal access somewhere. I would guess you have a prescription easement.

Call the landowner but pull the title commitment and deed on the property as well

This.
You must have access to land in Texas. Might locked out from having utilities but access is a given.

That is true, but it might cost quite a bit finding out where it is at. Selling it makes the most sense.


Or it could be as simple as reading thru the deed to find out about the access.

But agreed, it would best to sell it.

They may have a claim to it if you haven’t been paying taxes or they have been maintaining it



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As others have said you need to read the original granting deed that created that tract, that’s where you’ll find a ROW to access that property.


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I’m not claiming to be a real estate expert here

But if your family legally owns the land and you can most likely find the legal access point, there isn’t squat they can do to keep you from it or using it

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Originally Posted by procraft05
I’m not claiming to be a real estate expert here

But if your family legally owns the land and you can most likely find the legal access point, there isn’t squat they can do to keep you from it or using it



That's a good summary of what Google explained aka well articulated.


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If sausage man ( the guy running the lease that is trying to deny entry & use of property) has a written lease from the LO there isn't much you can do.

First question to your family member that is the LO or represents the LO;
Is the property leased to anyone? Not an old verbal agreement, a written signed paid for lease.
If so who?
Does the wording in the lease give lessee exclusive hunting or use rights?

The deed should state and or survey plat show access to property.

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