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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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The surprise from this post is there may actually be folks that don’t think the Creedmoor will be around for years to come. For a few months I owned the first factory production rifle put out in the 6.5 Creedmoor the Ruger V/T I think was the name. My reloading data shows loads from 6/15/2012 into that Fall and I sold it and actually made money for a change. I have not owned one since but I shoot them all the time sighting in rifles for friends and family. Shot one last week that’s headed back to Africa for a second Leopard. She has also shot Sable Zebra all kinds of N American and African game animals. No real surprise though it’s just one of many really good hunting calibers as all have said that just happens to have the widest array of choices of target and hunting ammo that won’t break the bank and can be found anywhere. This reminds me of something that happened last week. Buddy texts says “hey what about a 220 Swift AI with fast twist do you think it will hang with 22 Creedmoor?” I said yes probably so but why?........brass harder to find not as good and you have to fire-form..... ??? His reply “ heck everybody and his brothers cousin has a 22 Creedmoor now I want something different “ 
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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6.5 Creed is SO yesterday Git yo a .22 Creed and stay up with the trend setters 
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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Thing is I do think there is a chance it will stick. People that never shot in their lifes sometimes used to run out and grab a 300 win mag for their first gun with a scope at a bargain price and hock it when they learn about recoil. I think now they might grab a 6.5 creedmoor instead. Why would someone like that even know about it? Marketing!
IMO this is where you're way off base. The reason someone would know about it is from solid, reliable sources that actually shoot and kill stuff with it....word of mouth is the best advertisement bar none. I don't like the stupid, outlandish claims made by some 6.5 shooter either, but they are just that, ridiculous. Anyone with half a clue can sort out the ridiculous claims from the real world examples rather quickly. I became a believer after listening to Hodnett sing the virtues, and Formid over on 24HCF who sees 500,000 rds per year go down range does as well. No sane individual can refute these types of testimonials. There is nothing not to like about the 6.5CM package. BTW, Barsness reports it is the runaway best seller in South Africa nowdays as well. They cull thousands upon thousands of animals every year over there with them.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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Thing is I do think there is a chance it will stick. People that never shot in their lifes sometimes used to run out and grab a 300 win mag for their first gun with a scope at a bargain price and hock it when they learn about recoil. I think now they might grab a 6.5 creedmoor instead. Why would someone like that even know about it? Marketing!
IMO this is where you're way off base. The reason someone would know about it is from solid, reliable sources that actually shoot and kill stuff with it....word of mouth is the best advertisement bar none. I don't like the stupid, outlandish claims made by some 6.5 shooter either, but they are just that, ridiculous. Anyone with half a clue can sort out the ridiculous claims from the real world examples rather quickly. I became a believer after listening to Hodnett sing the virtues, and Formid over on 24HCF who sees 500,000 rds per year go down range does as well. No sane individual can refute these types of testimonials. There is nothing not to like about the 6.5CM package. BTW, Barsness reports it is the runaway best seller in South Africa nowdays as well. They cull thousands upon thousands of animals every year over there with them. Shame on you, JGRaider. You should have already written the cartridge off because your buddy who has zero experience with it sent you a meme about only hipsters/bandwagoners owning one... I was going to stay out of this one, but the truth is that this is a prime example of what happens when a company does their homework, comes up with a strategy, then supports and markets in accordance with that strategy. Hornady did it right!!! Name another cartridge with comparable recoil, that shoots up to and over 150 grain bullets, that will easily go to beyond 1000 yards with factory rifles (if you want,) that will handily kill animals up to and including elk (putting it in the boiler room,) and that has EASILY-OBTAINABLE, QUALITY, ACCURATE ammo for $20 per box... The facts don't lie.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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08/17/19 07:25 PM
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Thread makes me laugh.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is popular for one reason mainly.
Hornady did an outstanding making ammo for it. Few cartridges mfg can say from batch to batch they are as consistent as what Hornady produced from the get go.
I have three creedmoors in different configurations and can run same ammo through all and the are all sub MOA to normal hunting ranges of 300 and under. Taking one over 700 with factory ammo.
Now the sub reasons are just icing on the cake(recoil, report, efficiency, etc)
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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You would think it's nothing short of a miracle that so much wild game was taken before the cartridge became available.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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I have several 6.5’s and love them all. I think the .7mm-08 and the .260 are awesome rounds also but fact is you can’t find near the selection of ammo for them. I bought 3 box’s of 6.5 ammo the other day for $12.99 a box, can’t do that with most ammo. I like to shoot a lot and don’t see the need in paying extra for ammo that’s going to do the same thing. Plus it’s nice to walk into any store and find multiple kinds of 6.5.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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You would think it's nothing short of a miracle that so much wild game was taken before the cartridge became available.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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FWIW, I do think the 6.5 CM is a great replacement for the .243 as a chambering for a first hunting rifle. It's nearly unbeatable in that role.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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This is why the 6.5 Creedmoor got popular. I had never heard of it until PRS guys started winning with them. The interest from the professional long-range shooters trickled down to the amateur and weekend shooters that wanted something better than their hunting rifles to shoot over 1000 yards. It was after the fact, that people realized the 6.5 Creedmoor is a legitimate hunting cartridge when it's loaded with the proper bullets. And it's been snowballing ever since. ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/08/full-38286-197134-screenshot_20190817_164546_chrome.jpg)
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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You would think it's nothing short of a miracle that so much wild game was taken before the cartridge became available. Actually, it's nothing short of a miracle for folks to give credit where credit is due... Hornady knocked it out of the park with this one, and I'm no Hornady homer. I'll pose this again... Name another cartridge with comparable recoil, that shoots up to and over 150 grain bullets, that will easily go to beyond 1000 yards with factory rifles (if you want,) that will handily kill animals up to and including elk (putting it in the boiler room,) and that has EASILY-OBTAINABLE, QUALITY, ACCURATE ammo for $20 per box... I have, and use lots of other calibers. They are for all intents and purposes great rounds for their intended purposes. I love them all. But the fact remains that no other cartridge checks all of the boxes above. For that reason, if someone asks me about buying their first rifle, I will suggest that they give the 6.5CM a look. If they want something different, good for them - it's their money. I don't say it's the end-all-be-all, but I think it is a great round. To refute a particular cartridge with no experience and with nothing but factless comments is, in my opinion, foolish...
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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08/17/19 10:13 PM
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You would think it's nothing short of a miracle that so much wild game was taken before the cartridge became available. Can you show us some quotes from this board where someone said the 6.5CM killed better than the older, more established cartridges? I'd like to see 'em.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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This is why the 6.5 Creedmoor got popular. I had never heard of it until PRS guys started winning with them. The interest from the professional long-range shooters trickled down to the amateur and weekend shooters that wanted something better than their hunting rifles to shoot over 1000 yards. It was after the fact, that people realized the 6.5 Creedmoor is a legitimate hunting cartridge when it's loaded with the proper bullets. And it's been snowballing ever since.
Yes, the cartridge was created as a long distance, competition round and quickly caught the eye of outdoor writers once Hornady begin marketing it. Hunters are always looking for something they hope will give them an edge, from the latest camo or caliber, to the hottest grunt call or bag of bait. The list just keeps growing. Thankfully, there's still plenty of hope for the guy who heads to the deer woods with his trusty 30-30 and wearing his work jeans and coat.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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08/17/19 11:46 PM
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Really i only shoot 12 gauge, .22, and 30/30. Oh and .177  And I refuse to waste my hard earned money on grass fed organic things.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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How does the Creedmore compare to the .308? I don’t have any experience with the Creedmore, but have shot several calibers from .223 to .300 WM. The .270 was my favorite for a very long time. When the barrel became pitted after many years of use and abuse, I bought a Remington.308 with the 5R barrel. I was very impressed with the accuracy with factory loads using Sierra GK and Sierra MK out to 200 yards. Haven’t had the opportunity to shoot any longer distances. And as far as recoil, I think the .308 recoil is about the same as a .243.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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FWIW, I do think the 6.5 CM is a great replacement for the .243 as a chambering for a first hunting rifle. It's nearly unbeatable in that role. Agree 100% on that. I’m not a gushing fan of it because of two reasons....I believe in hydrostatic shock ( I like my bullets flying faster ) and because it’s trendy, and I ain’t a trendy guy. The 6.5 PRC is more my style...the 6.5-.300 wby is just too much, lol. I like the OG round as well, the .264 win mag. But you have to be dense to deny the 6.5 creedmoor is a great deer round for just about any application where one would find a deer. I wouldn’t want to use one on any large animal like a elk, moose or the like but it’s a mild recoiling round that is more accurate than 99.9 % of shooters deserve to have and the availability of bullets is fantastic.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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Also I think too, we are gonna have to admit to ourselves at some point that technology has made some cartridges superior to others.
Just gonna have to face facts here.
I’m also questioning why some cartridges exist anymore at all?
Take the .280 AI....7mm rem mag performance, in nosler it actually is 25 FPS faster, less kick etc.
Why do companies still chamber the 7mm rem at all?
I think in the next 25 years you will see less diversity. People will gravitate to only using a few cartridges across the board.
I can honestly say, that after employing my .300 win on this last trip, that there isn’t anything short of a Cape buffalo that I wouldn’t shoot with it. From whitetail to elk to moose and Africa to Alaska , it can run the spectrum
If you live in an area where the only game is whitetail deer and pigs, get you a 6.5 cm and get to killing
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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Also I think too, we are gonna have to admit to ourselves at some point that technology has made some cartridges superior to others.
Just gonna have to face facts here.
I’m also questioning why some cartridges exist anymore at all?
Take the .280 AI....7mm rem mag performance, in nosler it actually is 25 FPS faster, less kick etc.
Why do companies still chamber the 7mm rem at all?
I think in the next 25 years you will see less diversity. People will gravitate to only using a few cartridges across the board ^^Whole bunch of incorrect information in this post. Just when I think you have completely shown your idiocies, you top it. .280 A.I. can do more than a 7mm-08 and 7mm-08 A.I. But it does not have the case capacity to equate the 7 Rem Mag. Cannot be done. The reason the 7 Rem Mag and the .300 Win Mag are still produced is that they still check lots of boxes. 7 WSM and 7 SAUM make less velocity on a less available action. 28 Nosler does more, and eats more powder and produces more recoil. Some people do not like that. Spend some time shooting various rifles instead of being "an internet guy" that doesn't know what he's talking about. Yall carry on bashing a great cartridge. I can live without it, but I will not agree that it is a fad. Some WWII vets said the same thing about the .308 Win in 1952. News flash, 2019 .308 Win ammo is stouter than 1944 .30-06 ammo coming out of an M-1 Garand, and they said it was a fad...
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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First off, good choices on the list. The 6.5 Creedmoor doesn’t do anything that savvy handloaders haven’t been doing with several of the cartridges on that list for some time. Long range shooting used to be a handloaders game. Compiling DOPE and understanding how to take up backlash in a scope for reliable dialing was an art and not practiced by many. Advancements in turrets and very functional reticles along with good user friendly ballistic programs simplified things a lot but it was still pretty much a handloaders game with a few exceptions like a 308 and federal gold metal match. Then Hornady brought long range to the non hand loading masses with the Creedmore. All of a sudden Mr average joe can buy a rifle and scope. Buy the software. Go to town and buy pretty damn good long range ammo off the shelf, and boom, Mr average joe, with no special knowledge could dabble at long range. If they were already fairly skilled riflemen, with the exception of doping the wind, the learning curve smalled way up. The Creedmore freight train is a lot more than marketing hype. It brought long range shooting to the non handloaders. Which by far is the majority of shooters. Word of that spread like wildfire on the internet. Quality components readily available quickly followed for us handloaders. As far as any legitimate performance superiority, nope. Performance wise it does not even quite match the old Swede (unless you are shooting factory ammo). Nor is there any special magic in a short action.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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First off, good choices on the list. The 6.5 Creedmoor doesn’t do anything that savvy handloaders haven’t been doing with several of the cartridges on that list for some time. Long range shooting used to be a handloaders game. Compiling DOPE and understanding how to take up backlash in a scope for reliable dialing was an art and not practiced by many. Advancements in turrets and very functional reticles along with good user friendly ballistic programs simplified things a lot but it was still pretty much a handloaders game with a few exceptions like a 308 and federal gold metal match. Then Hornady brought long range to the non hand loading masses with the Creedmore. All of a sudden Mr average joe can buy a rifle and scope. Buy the software. Go to town and buy pretty damn good long range ammo off the shelf, and boom, Mr average joe, with no special knowledge could dabble at long range. If they were already fairly skilled riflemen, with the exception of doping the wind, the learning curve smalled way up. The Creedmore freight train is a lot more than marketing hype. It brought long range shooting to the non handloaders. Which by far is the majority of shooters. Word of that spread like wildfire on the internet. Quality components readily available quickly followed for us handloaders. As far as any legitimate performance superiority, nope. Performance wise it does not even quite match the old Swede (unless you are shooting factory ammo). Nor is there any special magic in a short action.
And if you don't handload............????
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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First off, good choices on the list. The 6.5 Creedmoor doesn’t do anything that savvy handloaders haven’t been doing with several of the cartridges on that list for some time. Long range shooting used to be a handloaders game. Compiling DOPE and understanding how to take up backlash in a scope for reliable dialing was an art and not practiced by many. Advancements in turrets and very functional reticles along with good user friendly ballistic programs simplified things a lot but it was still pretty much a handloaders game with a few exceptions like a 308 and federal gold metal match. Then Hornady brought long range to the non hand loading masses with the Creedmore. All of a sudden Mr average joe can buy a rifle and scope. Buy the software. Go to town and buy pretty damn good long range ammo off the shelf, and boom, Mr average joe, with no special knowledge could dabble at long range. If they were already fairly skilled riflemen, with the exception of doping the wind, the learning curve smalled way up. The Creedmore freight train is a lot more than marketing hype. It brought long range shooting to the non handloaders. Which by far is the majority of shooters. Word of that spread like wildfire on the internet. Quality components readily available quickly followed for us handloaders. As far as any legitimate performance superiority, nope. Performance wise it does not even quite match the old Swede (unless you are shooting factory ammo). Nor is there any special magic in a short action.
And if you don't handload............???? Get on the Creedmore train🚂
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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Spend some time shooting various rifles instead of being "an internet guy" that doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Re: Creedmoor haters guide to big game cartridges
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Thread makes me laugh.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is popular for one reason mainly.
Hornady did an outstanding making ammo for it. Few cartridges mfg can say from batch to batch they are as consistent as what Hornady produced from the get go.
Now the sub reasons are just icing on the cake(recoil, report, efficiency, etc) Agree. The fact that it performs so well is what has made it so popular. Also, like someone else mentioned it filled a nice niche between the 243 and 7-08 in short action calibers, which makes it perfect for deer hunting.
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