Any plans on releasing load data for shooter's world SBR-SOCOM and SW blackou especially For Barnes 110 GR tac-x FB # 30336

Okay, like my other post says I did some load testing today. Had a lot of minor problems, mostly due to cockpit (between the ears) problems but loose parts on the rest was one of the problems. I had two targets that overall were not good but if I take the best 3 shots of each target, it looks good. One of the two 28.1 gr targets had 3 shots measured at .984-.308=.676 inch., the best was overall was a 28.2 gr target with a 1.723 5 shot group but 3 of the five made a .416 group. The bullet of choice was the Speer 130 FNHC.
When I get some more bullets, I hope to be able to repeat the loads without all the minor problems and hope to get some consistent results. Thanks Daniel

davidK is out pampering himself with manicure and new hairdoo. i'm filling in for him. but of course... i have to put my twist on everything so bear with me while i post some of mr. wilson's vids.

sir, after seeing you and the ham'r of the gods in action, i'll admit you can shoot. you ain't no dj, but you can shoot.

I've been shooting at hogs since 1989. Maybe some day I'll hit one!!!

Just pressure tested a load at Sig Ammo yesterday with #30341 which I think it's the same bullet just listed as TSX instead of TAC-X.

Try 25.9gr of SBR SOCOM or all the CFEBLK you can stuff in the case, probably 29.8gr. Blackout is almost identical to A1680 and you give up velocity and accuracy to CFEBLK loads with either.

Here's some SBR SOCOM loads that tested out well and I think SOCOM is going to be the powder of choice for 95-110gr bullets:

110gr Lehigh CC 2.255" over 25.9gr 2650fps
110gr Hornady SP 2.220" over 25.6gr 2655fps
110gr Nosler Varmageddon 2.255" over 24.8gr 2640fps

29.5gr of CFEBLK is clocking 2700fps with the 110gr TSX with excellent accuracy

We got the new Lehigh 95gr CC up to 2840fps at 55.5k pressure !!!

All from a 18" barrel

I'm now up to 27 bullets that I've tested that are suitable for the HAM'R, this list might be helpful to some of you??

27 Bullets That Are Suitable for the 300 HAM’R and Recommended OAL

95gr Lehigh CC 2.255” OAL *
110gr Hornady SP #3010, 2.220” OAL **
110gr Hornady V-MAX #23010, 2.255” OAL *
110gr Lehigh CC #05-308-110-CUSP, 2.255” OAL *
110gr Barnes TSX #30341, 2.255” OAL
110gr Nosler Varmageddon #34057, 2.255” OAL *
110gr Sierra HP-V #2110, 2.175” OAL *
125gr Sierra SBT PH #2120, 2.250” OAL **
125gr Speer TNT #1986/#4725, 2.255” OAL **
125gr Sierra FNHP #2020, 2.110”OAL
130gr Speer HP #2005, 2.170” OAL *
130gr Speer FNHC #2007, 1.170” OAL *
130gr Speer HAM’R RNHC #20041125, 2.175” OAL **
130gr Hornady SP #3020, 2.215” OAL
135gr Sierra HP-V #2124, 2.230” OAL
150gr Hornady SST #30303, 2.255” OAL **
150gr Speer FNHC #2011, 2.155” OAL **
150gr Speer SPHC #2023, 2.255” OAL *
150gr Speer Gold Dot #308150GDB, 2.255” OAL
150gr Speer Grand Slam #2026, 2.255” OAL *
150gr Nosler Partition #16329, 2.255” OAL *
150gr Federal Fusion BTPP #75538, 2.255” OAL **
150gr Sierra FNPH #2000, 2.155” OAL
150gr Sierra RNPH #2135, 2.175” OAL
150gr Remington RN CoreLokt, 2.175” OAL
150gr Berry FMJ #70631, 2.250” OAL
150gr Winchester PP #WB30PP150, 2.255” OAL

* denotes a very good bullet choice, ** denotes my personal GO TO bullets

The .458 HAM'R is a hybrid (AR10 shortened 3/4"), but the 300 HAM'R is on a std AR15 platform

NOW you're talking!!

i had a hard time bring these down with the 125 TNTs. i know that isn't your favorite 'hunting' bullet, but i have a lot of them. in all fairness, i didn't exactly hit these in the sweet spot.



Oink, ur going to b miles ahead if you jist continue to take half the credit for my killz. jist seyin...

I LOVE to see them tumble DJ

can you believe that one did an endo and got back up running!!

Hello Gentlemen,

First post here. I feel extremely lucky to have come across your forum and this thread. I would consider myself an early adopter of the 300 HAM'R and have already assembled a few builds. The 1st was an 8" Pistol with SLR Rifleworks linear compensator. I have used four different factory loads and have settled in on the 130 FNHC per Bill's recommendations. I was surprised the find that all four rounds had points of aim within an inch of each other at 50 yards. Also, I should have just stuck a coffee can where the brass was ejecting due to its amazing consistency, a testament to Wilson Combat's quality control. Bill or anyone assembling HAM'R AR's my question for you is this... can you please tell me if you are using standard buffers and springs with the the 300 HAM'R? I have to say the 8-inch barrel with pistol gas was hitting me pretty hard compared to standard 5.56 ammo. I was running a flat wire spring and H2 buffer. All brass was ejecting at 4 o'clock, with 125 TNT, 130 HP, 130 FNHC and 150 SST, so I felt like I didn't want to go to a higher power spring or H3 and chance the bolt not locking on an empty mag. Due to my previous law enforcement experience I have never been a big fan of adjustable gas blocks for a "duty" gun.

I am going to try the upper this weekend on my SBR lower with Maxim Defense stock and JP captured spring with (2) tungsten weights to see how it performs. That is if I can get the lower completed today. I also have a 16-inch lightweight 300 HAM'R build that I can't get to run due to what seems like being undergassed, but I was running a titanium bolt carrier group and ran out of time to drop a standard one to try and eliminate the carrier. I used a bunch of VSeven parts and got the rifle without optic in at 5 lbs even.

I also just got a WC 11.3 inch HAM'R barrel for my truck gun but I just have to find time to assemble it.

We run chrome silicon flatwire buffer springs that are somewhat heavier than a std AR15 buffer spring, more like a Wolff HD spring with a standard buffer.

I've seen guns not run and by changing a bolt, carrier or complete BCG they run perfect. I'm not sure if it's component friction, gas ring fit or a gas key leak???

I don't have any experience with Ti carriers since I don't want any part in my guns that reduce the reliability or durability so I just run full weight M16 carriers. We haven't really had any issues with the 16" bbls so unless somehow one got out without our std spec port size I doubt it's a bbl issue.

Thanks for the quick response Bill. Is the spring you speak of available on your website? Also looking forward to the Round nose HC ammo hoping it will have a higher BC than the FN version. I don't reload (yet) so I am at your mercy for 300 HAM'R ammo choices. Finally, I am fairly confident the issue with the 16-inch is due to the titanium carrier. Thought I would take a chance with it but I have a standard milspec carrier I'll try and see if that corrects the problem.

The part # for the buffer spring is TR-FWBS40

I'm not sure when the 130gr HHC loads will be on the web site, I know we received 100k of the bullets, just not sure where they are on the schedule for loading. We'll soon have 4 new loads 95gr Lehigh CC at 2825fps, 110gr Hornady SP at 2700fps, 110gr Hornady V-MAX at 2700fps and 150gr Bonded at 2300fps

150gr Bonded

It is good to see you here Bill

I love my Wilson Combats and I know you personally test the hell out of stuff..

Thanks for the info Bill. I just ordered 2 springs. Even more ammunition choices for an already huge list?? Exciting stuff!

I have a question for you guys using the 300 HAMR. If you had to choose between an AR10 in 308 with 16” barrel and AR15 in 300 HAMR with a 16” barrel, which would you choose and why?

I have never fired an AR10 308 but I do have an AR15 in 300 Ham'r. My choice would be and is the 300 Ham'r and why, I have never been a fan of recoil and at the age or 73 weight & recoil are a big No No. True the 308 has a greater range but here in east Texas it is not often I get a shot greater than 200 yds and that is about my limit unless I have a extremely good rest. I reload and components are cheap and readily available. BTW my 300 Ham'r does have the 18" barrel.

Before we developed the 300 HAM'R I deer and hog hunted almost exclusively with a AR10 platform .308 Win and had very good success with it. Actually I made the two longest shots on deer that I've ever made, both just over 300yds. But after I started using the HAM'R I've only shot one animal with the .308, a Nilgai down at the King Ranch last Feb.. The 180gr Nosler Partition did the job too.

Here's my honest take on the two:

AR10 .308 16"

Positive
More range and the ability to use higher BC bullets
Can use heavier than 150gr bullets

Negative
More recoil
Considerably heavier with the same profile barrel
Longer
Higher cost to buy the rifle

300 HAM'R 16"

Positive
Low recoil
Much lighter
Shorter
Higher magazine capacity
Lower ammo cost for handloaders
A HAM'R upper will fit on any AR15 lower

Negative
225yd max range for most hunting applications
Limited to 95-150gr bullets of .390 BC or less

No major difference
Accuracy
Killing power within 200yds shooting the same bullet
Ammunition cost if you don't handload

Bottom line:
If you walk a lot carrying a rifle, mostly shoot under 200yds and are happy with 95-150gr bullets the HAM'R is the best choice. If you don't walk a lot carrying a rifle, shoot past 225yds and have a need for bullets heavier than 150gr then the .308 is the best choice.

i hunted with a 308 exclusively for many years. i didn't know it was heavy because i never even considered hog hunting with an ar15...until i wore out my upper. when i sent it in for repairs, i broke out the old 556, and wow!! i just thought i didn't care how heavy the ar10 was. of course i wasn't hiking up mountains or anything, but still, nothing wrong with improving the quality of your hunt.

the 6.8 craze had been out long enough that i got one to replace the 308 as my primary hog gun. i had never noticed the recoil in a hunting situation, but when i looked at my vids, i was amazed at how much recoil the 308 had. not that it bothered me, but the sight picture was remarkable. follow up shots as shown on the screen were reason enough to switch. realize however, i shoot suppressed off sticks and most times on uneven ground, so take that for what it's worth. if you can drive right up to a blind, set your gun on the windowsill and snipe an animal standing still, the 308 might be your best choice.

i have a few vids in this post to show you how the ham'r recoils. here is one showing you the recoil of my 308. as you can see, some hogs don't even have any respect for 165 grains of sst

Hello again Mr. Wilson,

I have to interject on the two highlighted points made in the comparison in the current gun market.

If we are talking factory built rifles, there are at least 5 sub $ 1200.00 AR10 .308 rifles in 16 or 18" configurations, 2 of these 5 can actually be had for less than $ 800.

The cheapest WC 300 Ham'r is $ 2250

That $ 1400.00 difference could nearly buy a entry level thermal riflescope !

From the weight aspect, the Gen 2 (GII) and small frame AR10s . 308s weigh 7.4 to 8.0 lbs and cost $ 1200 to $ 2300 dollars.

Heck I've been offering a near new used DPMS GII Recon in the classifieds for $ 1100.00, which would be an $ 1100 difference to the 300 Ham'r AND only weighs 1 lb more.

I do think it is excellent that you offer your barrels as standalone items which makes the above a moot point - BUT I read that most of your above comparison was for a non-handloader and non-gun assembler standpoint.

Not splitting hairs here but just pointing out that in the current depre$$ed gun market , the 308s are cheap and of decent quality.

Did you just compare a DPMS to a Wilson Combat? That's like a Rolls Royce versus a Jeep comparison. Each have their place but no comparison on price

And attempting to make the point that that Jeep rifle can weight within a pound? A pound is a considerable amount on a rifle.

I'd say you were definitely splitting hairs.

I have a younger friend and member on this site that bought one of the brands you refer to with an entry level thermal. After shooting my WC308 with a Pulsar XQ50 he put his disappointment up for sale, maybe that's why there are many for sale currently? I rarely see a WC for sale, wanna guess why that is?

We were asked a ? and and I gave my honest opinion/answer???

The only non-WC .308 I have is a DPMS GII and it won't shoot a 2" group with any load

I purchased my new WC Protector 300 Ham'r for $1600 shipped to my door.

Actually got my first kills with the Ham'r this weekend. Couple good size boars. One shot behind the ear and the other behind the shoulder.