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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7524636 06/01/19 09:04 PM
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I just got an email from one of our customers with a couple of nice photos of a 300# and 375# black bears taken in ID with his 300 HAM'R, he said one dropped DRT and one just took a few steps.

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First, comparing a 300 blackout and 300 HAM'R, well... Can decide for yourself

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I've been using the 300 HAM'R since before it was introduced, shot dozens of hogs. What I really think is why it is superior to the 68 is reloading, ammo, etc. Conversion of 556 brass is simple, and brass is cheap compared to the 68.

As for loads, my current hog load is a 110gr Hornady Spire Point, out of my 16" WC rifle I'm at 2738 fps. When deciding what is effective, comes down to killing. Almost all of us on Team Oink have switched. Even if you buy new brass it's only $30/100.

It kills, DJ dropping a few :



It's not a replacement for anything, it never has been advertised as that, it's an option, it's an easy conversion of existing rifles in many cases. It's a blast to shoot, low recoil, and very effective. I won't get in to comparisons, my feeling is, run what you brung and have fun doing it.

As for team Oink, we're sporting the 300 HAM'R. Carry on.


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: Wilson Combat] #7524716 06/01/19 11:59 PM
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I was wrong, it is 17.

110gr Sierra HP Varminter #2110
110gr Hornady V-MAX #23010
110gr Barnes TSX #30835
110gr Lehigh CC #05-308-110-CUSP
125gr Sierra SBT PH #2120
125gr Sierra FNHP #2020
125gr Speer TNT #1986
130gr Speer FNHC #2007
130gr Speer HP #2005
135gr Sierra HP Varminter #2124
135gr Sierra HPBT MK #2123
150gr Hornady SST #30303
150gr Hornady RN IL #3035
150gr Sierra FN PH #2000
150gr Sierra RN PH #2135
150gr Speer FNHC #2011
160gr Hornady FTX #30395

I left the ballistic gel to Mr. Wilson and I think there are some videos on his website showing the test. As for recovered bullets, everything I have shot has been through and through. I do know he has set up a few hogs (pre-killed to make them more willing) and recovered some of the projectiles. Hopefully when he gets back in town he will post a few photos.
The load data on the website covers the 10 loaded cartridges they are selling at this time.

One little item that I have not seen brought out in the posted loading data is that the velocity listings are an effort to hit certain pressure nodes. During load development it was found that each bullet had a certain pressure level that gave the best accuracy. Since a handloader, such as myself, doesn't have a pressure barrel sitting around we have to use the velocity readings to try and come close to the proper pressure level. The loads listed are based on the velocity and pressure that gave the best accuracy for each bullet.
I have shot some of these bullets at much higher velocity than you will ever see posted, but a company like Wilson Combat can not control everyone out there trying to wring out a few more fps. Since there are no restrictions on who may make a barrel, or build a complete rifle, WC has to put safety above all else.
For my own loads, I found out that gaining an extra 100 fps may have given me a little bit of bragging rights but also resulted in a drop in accuracy. Since above all else, I am an accuracy nut, I chose to back off to the best accuracy level. The game I have shot didn't know if they were hit with a 2550 fps projectile or one traveling at 2700 fps.

Mr. Popper, I like your attitude. Since my playing with the 6.5G and 6.8 SPC was restricted to certain factory loads, I would love to hear about their performance and capabilities from some who have developed good (and safe) field-tested loads.

I will freely admit that I would react as you if I saw a release of another AR cartridge. My first thought would be why? That would soon be followed by; "You've got to be kidding me!"

But lets give it a little time.




What’s the same ballistics on a 8” 300BLK I’ll supply the rifle if you want to test it.


I don't have a 8" BLK here at the ranch and we don't make 8" 300 HAM'R barrels, but here's a comparison of my two 11.3" pistols

300BLK
110gr Hornady V-MAX 2251FPS-A
125gr HSM Sierra SPT PH 1966FPS-A

300 HAM'R
110gr WC Sierra HP 2431FPS-A
125gr WC Sierra SBT PH 2393FPS-A

As a FYI we just started experimenting with a new powder for the 110gr loads and it looks like we can gain close to 100fps with it, we just run out of powder space with the light bullet loads using CFEBLK before we get over 50k PSI


Thanks for the info Bill. Wouldn’t mind trying a 300 Ham’r out, but I’m heavily invested in the 300BLK with reloading supplies and very spoiled with the 8” barrel, even with my 8” suppressor attached it’s a bit shorter than a unsuppressed 16” carbine.


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7524721 06/02/19 12:05 AM
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Sorry if I missed it somewhere but what’s the case length on the 300 hamr


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: DavidK] #7524724 06/02/19 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidK
...It kills, DJ dropping a few :


As for team Oink, we're sporting the 300 HAM'R. Carry on.



dk... this is a ruff crowd. you can't just post a vid of one hunt and assume everyone's dream just came true. here's that hunt bundled in with a few other shots...


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Originally Posted by KK30RAR
Sorry if I missed it somewhere but what’s the case length on the 300 hamr


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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: dlrz71] #7524738 06/02/19 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hdfireman
I want to here from real world hunters that use it for some period of time...


hd i really don't know why you bash the hamr on every forum where it's discussed. if you'll remember, i tried to hunt with one of YOUR 6.8 builds, but you couldn't get the jamming pos to feed reliably. all you do is assemble parts. you don't build anything!

talk about marketing hype? where was your guarantee when my gun wouldn't work? when i posted my disatisfaction with your product on the other forum, i believe you insulted me and called me a derogatory name. is that what all your customers who have a complaint can expect?

u need to hear from real world hunters? here... i'll just leave this here for you to ponder. and by all means... please post up all your kill pics and vids from your whopping 8 years of hunting.


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i certainly don't hit everything i shoot at, nor do i kill everything i hit. but i've shot more than a few pigs with every bullet wilson combat lists loads for except for the 150s. i've got no complaints... nor shortage of dozens more vids.



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Originally Posted by djones
Originally Posted by hdfireman
I want to here from real world hunters that use it for some period of time...


hd i really don't know why you bash the hamr on every forum where it's discussed. if you'll remember, i tried to hunt with one of YOUR 6.8 builds, but you couldn't get the jamming pos to feed reliably. all you do is assemble parts. you don't build anything!

talk about marketing hype? where was your guarantee when my gun wouldn't work? when i posted my disatisfaction with your product on the other forum, i believe you insulted me and called me a derogatory name. is that what all your customers who have a complaint can expect?

u need to hear from real world hunters? here... i'll just leave this here for you to ponder. and by all means... please post up all your kill pics and vids from your whopping 8 years of hunting.




Wilson Combat is a name id trust, I don’t own one but like to one day

Good to see you Djones

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Bill just FYI, I was looking at the 300 HAM’R barrels on your site and where it is comparing it to 300BLK “more” is misspelled twice and where it’s talking about the reloading dies “available” is misspelled. Sorry the website designer in me notices stuff like that lol. Just a heads up.


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Originally Posted by KRoyal
Bill just FYI, I was looking at the 300 HAM’R barrels on your site and where it is comparing it to 300BLK “more” is misspelled twice and where it’s talking about the reloading dies “available” is misspelled. Sorry the website designer in me notices stuff like that lol. Just a heads up.



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Bill just FYI, I was looking at the 300 HAM’R barrels on your site and where it is comparing it to 300BLK “more” is misspelled twice and where it’s talking about the reloading dies “available” is misspelled. Sorry the website designer in me notices stuff like that lol. Just a heads up.



Good job on the free advertisement Kyle. Stop trying to get a free rifle whip

Haha yea I wish, just my OCD.


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Originally Posted by KK30RAR
Sorry if I missed it somewhere but what’s the case length on the 300 hamr


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Originally Posted by KRoyal
Bill just FYI, I was looking at the 300 HAM’R barrels on your site and where it is comparing it to 300BLK “more” is misspelled twice and where it’s talking about the reloading dies “available” is misspelled. Sorry the website designer in me notices stuff like that lol. Just a heads up.


Tks, I'm on it

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I have to say after reading all this, I'm getting interested in the 300 hamr. Debating on this or a 350 legend when I get a chance.

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Djones is a legend and unlike Kyle I am not invested in 300brickthrower.


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Has there been a mention of optimal barrel length?


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Originally Posted by David Maas
Has there been a mention of optimal barrel length?


DJ and CF are using 18's, I'm using a 16". I'll be using the 11.3" here shortly, working on some loads.


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Originally Posted by David Maas
Has there been a mention of optimal barrel length?


I'm using both 14.7" and 16" for uppers with a can and 18" if I'm not running a can. Here's a test we did, as you can see the 150gr load didn't loose much as the bbl got shorter. NOTE: none of the loads used in this test are at MAX velocity.

BARREL LENGTH EFFECT ON VELOCITY
300 HAM’R

125 SIERRA SBT PH 20" bbl 2534 FPS
125 SIERRA SBT PH 18" bbl 2498 FPS (-36)
125 SIERRA SBT PH 16.25" bbl 2486 FPS (-12)
125 SIERRA SBT PH 14.5" bbl 2441 FPS (-45)
125 SIERRA SBT PH 12.5" bbl 2367 FPS (-74)
TOTAL VELOCITY LOSS FROM 20” TO 12.5” 167 FPS

130 SPEER FNHC 20" bbl 2485 FPS
130 SPEER FNHC 18" bbl 2460 FPS (-25)
130 SPEER FNHC 16.25" bbl 2438 FPS (-22)
130 SPEER FNHC 14.5" bbl 2412 FPS (-26)
130 SPEER FNHC 12.5" bbl 2346 FPS (-66)
TOTAL VELOCITY LOSS FROM 20” TO 12.5” 139 FPS

150 SPEER FNHC 20" bbl 2202 FPS
150 SPEER FNHC 18" bbl 2194 FPS (-8)
150 SPEER FNHC 16.25" bbl 2171 FPS (-23)
150 SPEER FNHC 14.5" bbl 2146 FPS (-24)
150 SPEER FNHC 12.5" bbl 2105 FPS (-41)
TOTAL VELOCITY LOSS FROM 20” TO 12.5” 97 FPS

ALL TESTING WAS DONE WITH THE SAME BARREL PROGRESSIVELY SHORTENED FOR NO BARREL TO BARREL VARIATION AND ALL AMMO FOR EACH LOAD FROM THE SAME LOT. ALSO ALL SHOOTING WAS DONE DURING A 5 HOUR PERIOD ON THE SAME DAY USING A LABRADAR TO MINIMIZE THE EFFECT OF ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS. ALL CHRONOGRAPH STRINGS WERE 10 SHOTS WITH THE HIGH AND LOW SHOT REMOVED FOR AN AVERAGE OF THE REMAINING 8 SHOTS.

AS YOU CAN SEE AS THE BULLET WEIGHT WENT UP BARREL LENGTH HAD LESS EFFECT ON VELOCITY. AVERAGING THE 16.25” TO 20” NUMBERS IT WORKS OUT TO 10.5 FPS PER INCH.

I WISH WE HAD STARTED WITH A 22’ BARREL BECAUSE IT LOOKS WE STILL HAD POWDER BURN PAST 20” WHICH SURPRISED ME.

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I keep a 16" version as my everyday rifle, but use an 18" model for my hunting. However, it is the difference in the scopes I have mounted more so that the barrel length.

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Originally Posted by djones
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I want to here from real world hunters that use it for some period of time...


hd i really don't know why you bash the hamr on every forum where it's discussed. if you'll remember, i tried to hunt with one of YOUR 6.8 builds, but you couldn't get the jamming pos to feed reliably. all you do is assemble parts. you don't build anything!

talk about marketing hype? where was your guarantee when my gun wouldn't work? when i posted my disatisfaction with your product on the other forum, i believe you insulted me and called me a derogatory name. is that what all your customers who have a complaint can expect?

u need to hear from real world hunters? here... i'll just leave this here for you to ponder. and by all means... please post up all your kill pics and vids from your whopping 8 years of hunting.


Sic em djones

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Originally Posted by SapperTitan
Originally Posted by djones
Originally Posted by hdfireman
I want to here from real world hunters that use it for some period of time...


hd i really don't know why you bash the hamr on every forum where it's discussed. if you'll remember, i tried to hunt with one of YOUR 6.8 builds, but you couldn't get the jamming pos to feed reliably. all you do is assemble parts. you don't build anything!

talk about marketing hype? where was your guarantee when my gun wouldn't work? when i posted my disatisfaction with your product on the other forum, i believe you insulted me and called me a derogatory name. is that what all your customers who have a complaint can expect?

u need to hear from real world hunters? here... i'll just leave this here for you to ponder. and by all means... please post up all your kill pics and vids from your whopping 8 years of hunting.


Sic em djones


You really can't use djones videos as proof the 300 HAM'r is a better round. Pretty sure he could kill a pile of hogs with a slingshot and bag of marbles if he wanted to.

Seriously though, looks like a good round.


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I want to here from real world hunters that use it for some period of time...


hd i really don't know why you bash the hamr on every forum where it's discussed. if you'll remember, i tried to hunt with one of YOUR 6.8 builds, but you couldn't get the jamming pos to feed reliably. all you do is assemble parts. you don't build anything!

talk about marketing hype? where was your guarantee when my gun wouldn't work? when i posted my disatisfaction with your product on the other forum, i believe you insulted me and called me a derogatory name. is that what all your customers who have a complaint can expect?

u need to hear from real world hunters? here... i'll just leave this here for you to ponder. and by all means... please post up all your kill pics and vids from your whopping 8 years of hunting.


Sic em djones


You really can't use djones videos as proof the 300 HAM'r is a better round. Pretty sure he could kill a pile of hogs with a slingshot and bag of marbles if he wanted to.

Seriously though, looks like a good round.


Nah you haven't hunted with him lol


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Originally Posted by djones
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I want to here from real world hunters that use it for some period of time...


hd i really don't know why you bash the hamr on every forum where it's discussed. if you'll remember, i tried to hunt with one of YOUR 6.8 builds, but you couldn't get the jamming pos to feed reliably. all you do is assemble parts. you don't build anything!

talk about marketing hype? where was your guarantee when my gun wouldn't work? when i posted my disatisfaction with your product on the other forum, i believe you insulted me and called me a derogatory name. is that what all your customers who have a complaint can expect?

u need to hear from real world hunters? here... i'll just leave this here for you to ponder. and by all means... please post up all your kill pics and vids from your whopping 8 years of hunting.



Knew it was just a matter of time before you would start flapping your gums. First of all not bashing the Ham'r and don't believe I ever said it was a bad caliber. What I have questioned are the statements made that it is a better killer than 6.8 and 6.5 Grendel after only a couple months and a little over 200 hogs killed with it.

Hundreds of uppers built or as you call it, assembled and I've had 1 that would not group well. I got it back and fixed it. No other issues. As far as your upper goes. You stated it jammed consistently every 5-8 rounds. I asked you to send it to me. I ran 60+ rounds through it on 2 separate lowers with multiple different mags and it run just fine without a single malfunction. I told you it had to be a mag or lower problem. You said it was not because your friend assembled the lower and it was right. I told you it wasn't the upper but since I didn't have my FFL i could not receive it to check. I then told you that maybe we could meet up sometime. You said don't worry about it for now that you were going to get an LWRC because that's what you really wanted. I don't recall what I called you but I can assure you it was probably because there was nothing wrong with the upper when tested by me, I offered to try and meet up, never heard from you again until you brought it up on another forum.

8 years hunting??? Where you get that? Just more flapping of the gums. I started hunting with night vision and thermal 8+ years ago but been hunting my entire life. I don't video


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