you must really hate those hogs and have a lot of time to dedicate to killing them

funny you mentioned 350 Legend, I 've thought about trying that cal as well

My ranch and the one of my good friend/neighbor is in an intensive management program with the TPWD with 10,500ac under management for deer and the biologist assigned to the property has instructed us to shoot 70% of the hog population annually to maintain a consistent hog population on the ranch. We shot over 400 last year and 200 YTD this year and I still see as many hogs as I did two years ago. The ranches are ideal hog habitat so they just thrive here. I hog hunt on average 5 days a week for 4-5 hours. I also have access to several thousand acres within a 45 min drive up on the Red River too.

So far the Legend hasn't impressed me, but I'm limited to the Win 145gr FMJ and handloads with prototype Speer HotCore bullets at this time. The cartridge was brought out way before there was adequate ammo/components available. NO suitable bullets are on the market today and only Starline makes good cases. The case heads on the Win cases are too soft and so they aren't reloadable.

Wilson Combat, do you know where Cross Arrow ranch is at. I am on a lease there, do a lot of hog hunting and course deer hunting.

For what it is worth, there is no marketing hype associated with the 300 HAM'R. If anything, I would say Bill and his crew have downplayed what the HAM'R will really do.
Yes, this if my first post and I am known to be a bit opinionated. But I was allowed to follow along with the development of the 300 HAM'R and have been playing with it long before it hit the market. For total exposure, I will say that Bill Wilson and I are good friends and he is the one that told me about the forum. He knew I was sick of another forum that thinks they know everything and posted nothing but negative bs. However, I have no ties to Wilson Combat other than being a customer.

As we all know, friendship only goes so far when you're talking about your personal hunting rifles!

As far as the 300 HAM'R, I drank the Kool-Aid about a year ago during the development. After watching how hogs, deer, and even one black bear reacted to the 130 grain Speer Hot Core bullet out of the HAM'R I become a true fan. When the first two shots I took with the final version of the 300 HAM'R accounted for four hogs (two doubles and they were all in the 150 lb. range) I told Wilson he would have to listen to me tell this for years to come.
There is no way I'm going to say that the 300 HAM'R is better than "X" or "Y" because we all have our favorites, but I will say it is the best mid-range cartridge I've taken game with. It is almost as if WC built this cartridge for me. I really don't care what any rifle will do past 200-250 yards because I won't take a shot beyond that distance. What I've seen the HAM'R do within that range is outstanding. There is also no way I can relate the feeling of seeing that black bear crumple the nanosecond it was hit. Yes, all of the above could just be pure luck, but I've got an idea there is a whole lot of luck left in that rifle.
Just for a moment, I will actually give a few details of the cartridge other than my personal feelings. The parent case is the .223/5.56 and it is easy to form from surplus brass. (Even though you can buy new brass, I'm cheap!) The pressure is on par with the .223 Rem. and well below that of the 5.56 NATO. The only thing needed to convert an AR-15 is a barrel. It will function with a standard magazine but the magazines designed for the 300 Blackout are perfect. Being a .30 caliber, there are an awful lot of bullets that can be used in reloading, (I favor the 125 Sierra ProHunter and the 130 Speer Hot Core.)
I wish Bill good fortune with his sales, and I see a bright future for the cartridge. I would imagine other companies will start to notice the 300 HAM'R. (remember, it took the 6.5 C a decade before it was "the thing")

But for me, it really doesn't matter. I have mine!

Taking this at a pure technical slant, I.e. nothing against Mr Wilson , appreciate and respect what he offers the gun community and his affinity for killing hogs

The hype and/or marketing team screwed up with the still published statement “kill much more effectively than 6.5 Grendel , 6.8 SPC II...”

All comparison data I’ve seen to illustrate this has been against 7.62x39 and 300 blackout

Technically the energy and velocity of the 130 gr HotCor could be the deciding factor on the 300 Ham’r statement made but it is less versatile, less mainstream than both 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC.

All the special killing power is in one bullet so far as I read the reports , it can’t drive and erupt other .30 cal bullets as well as its .264 and .277 comparables.

Welcome to the board - and I’m glad Mr. Wilson asked you to come clarify things on this forum.

I hunt all calibers and don’t have skin in the game but it just bothers me to read that this 300 Ham’r kills more effectively than time tested and more well rounded designs.

My 2 cents not needing to be validated

First let me say thank you. It is very refreshing to see someone disagree so politely.
Actually there are 16 different bullets in the 110 to 150 grain range that have been tested and found suitable for the 300 HAM'R. The 130 Speer HC is one of my favorites because of how it performs and the fact it's cheap! All too often we think we have to buy a high-end premium bullet to get good results on game. Lately Bill has been favoring the 150 SST a little more. But this cartridge is not based around any one bullet.

But I may have to agree without argument that Dead is Dead and there is no way to make something "Deader." But, I've tried about every cartridge out there since that is part of my job, and I have been highly impressed by the visible effects of the 300 HAM'R on live game.

I will agree completely that the 6.5G and 6.8 SPC are more mainstream, but I would disagree that their design is more well rounded. At the same time, they have been around for several years while the 300 HAM'R has only been out for months.

I personally think one of you Texas boys with a lot of hunting land needs to invite everyone out for a side by side comparison. It's been about six months since I have had the chance to visit TX and kill a few hogs.

graycard

Agree with this!!

1) What are the 16 different “suitable” bullets? What do they look like when recovered from gel or game animals?

2) Let’s see some of the recovered 150 SST, I can’t imagine they are mushroomed very far down the shank, but I may be in for a surprise...

3) but yet that’s what the 300 ham’r website claims, more effective than XX and XX calibers...

4) we have many magazine options for 6.5 and 6.8 that allow for longer COAL, a few chamber variations, 24” Grendel barrels that take advantage of longer barrel length in the velocity category. On and on.... not too mention a bit more powder capacity in the cases. We got some steel cased CHEAP plinking ammo options as well.

4a) ballistics are a funny thing - I’ve witnesses 6.5 Grendel 90 grain TNT bullets penetrate through hogs and get double kills, also take down a handful of 280+ lb’ers. So I attempted to copy that formula (fast varmint bullet) with the available 308 Nosler Varmageddon - didn’t even come close in performance in the penetration dept.

But both pills weighed 90 grains and on paper then 308 had more velocity and energy.....

These are the areas I look forward to seeing more data on for the 300 ham’r respective to above highlighted 16 bullets

5) easier said than done - I just got off my lease so I’m of no use in hosting a hunt or shoot off.

In the meantime i guess the show and tell will have to be internet based.

I’m not a 6.5 Grendel fanboy, I just have a lot of experience with it to relate , if anything i prefer 308 win or a good mid bore wildcat....

Hopefully this thread evolves into an archive of good data on the 300 Ham’r that is visited from far and wide to see how it performs.

I was wrong, it is 17.

110gr Sierra HP Varminter #2110
110gr Hornady V-MAX #23010
110gr Barnes TSX #30835
110gr Lehigh CC #05-308-110-CUSP
125gr Sierra SBT PH #2120
125gr Sierra FNHP #2020
125gr Speer TNT #1986
130gr Speer FNHC #2007
130gr Speer HP #2005
135gr Sierra HP Varminter #2124
135gr Sierra HPBT MK #2123
150gr Hornady SST #30303
150gr Hornady RN IL #3035
150gr Sierra FN PH #2000
150gr Sierra RN PH #2135
150gr Speer FNHC #2011
160gr Hornady FTX #30395

I left the ballistic gel to Mr. Wilson and I think there are some videos on his website showing the test. As for recovered bullets, everything I have shot has been through and through. I do know he has set up a few hogs (pre-killed to make them more willing) and recovered some of the projectiles. Hopefully when he gets back in town he will post a few photos.
The load data on the website covers the 10 loaded cartridges they are selling at this time.

One little item that I have not seen brought out in the posted loading data is that the velocity listings are an effort to hit certain pressure nodes. During load development it was found that each bullet had a certain pressure level that gave the best accuracy. Since a handloader, such as myself, doesn't have a pressure barrel sitting around we have to use the velocity readings to try and come close to the proper pressure level. The loads listed are based on the velocity and pressure that gave the best accuracy for each bullet.
I have shot some of these bullets at much higher velocity than you will ever see posted, but a company like Wilson Combat can not control everyone out there trying to wring out a few more fps. Since there are no restrictions on who may make a barrel, or build a complete rifle, WC has to put safety above all else.
For my own loads, I found out that gaining an extra 100 fps may have given me a little bit of bragging rights but also resulted in a drop in accuracy. Since above all else, I am an accuracy nut, I chose to back off to the best accuracy level. The game I have shot didn't know if they were hit with a 2550 fps projectile or one traveling at 2700 fps.

Mr. Popper, I like your attitude. Since my playing with the 6.5G and 6.8 SPC was restricted to certain factory loads, I would love to hear about their performance and capabilities from some who have developed good (and safe) field-tested loads.

I will freely admit that I would react as you if I saw a release of another AR cartridge. My first thought would be why? That would soon be followed by; "You've got to be kidding me!"

But lets give it a little time.

I’m outta my league, Im just hunt with my wife and kids guy

150 and in, we’ll pull the trigger

Y’all may be onto something, I’m liking the idea

But we’ve spoke on here several times prior, a lot the “new” is marketing

If WC can get the ball rolling, it could turn into something

I’ve had several AR’s, my daughter is killing it w a 556

I’m not the type and I suspect many others are with me to not buy something we have to hunt for ammo

It’s taken me this long and I was really on to the 300 BO, but have yet to buy it

Time will tell

What’s the same ballistics on a 8” 300BLK I’ll supply the rifle if you want to test it.

Sorry sir, I really don't know what you are asking.

KRoyal is asking for the ballistic comparison data between an 8” 300 BlkOut and the 8” 300 Ham’r.

If there is no data available, he is offering to send his 300 blk out barrel to y’all for chrono use.

Here I need a translator and I thought you guys were Southern!

I appreciate the offer (it does sound like fun) but right now I don't think an 8" HAM'R barrel even exist. So anything I do wouldn't be an "apples to apples" comparison and that is the problem we see in a lot of "this beats that" internet comparisons. My rifles are 16", 18", and I'm just waiting on a buttstock and optics to get a 20" going.

Of course, since this is the internet, I could claim to be an expert on SBR's and AR pistols, but I think you guys would spot the BS a mile away!

Besides, if I shoot something with a barrel that short it is gong to be a "N" frame S&W with a DEEP blued finish.

Thank you

KRoyals request was a good one : here is the link for the 8” Ham’r barrel

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/mobile...ss/productinfo/TR%2D300HSBRPG8RT11%2E25/

Maybe when Bill gets back in town he can share the comparison data...

Sounds like the HAMR has skills and magic that make it better then all the other AR15 gap calibers.

Never seen a guy so hung up on a caliber he'll probably never use. Move on
Thank you Mr Wilson for giving us another choice

Ah Pappy , you’re missing the point - This is a discussion about ballistics, of which I’ve used many calibers based off the parent case of the Ham’r.

I’m moving in , not on ...

Is it possible to fire a 300 bo in a 300 hamr? It's not a good idea but could it happen?

Good question.
With the vast difference in the dimension from the case head to the shoulder between the 300 HAM'R and the 300 BO I don't think the BO would fire in a HAM'R. Nor would the HAM'R seat in a BO chamber. However, in my mind I can imagine a BO with the bullet seated too far out actually "head-spacing" off of the rifling and thus being capable of firing. But then, I can't imagine a BO with the bullet that long being able to fit into the magazine.
I'll let someone else experiment with this one.

Pat's Cross Arrow ranch is across the Cuthand Creek from us and we border his Hart's Bluff ranch of which I lease a little over 1000ac of

I just tried chambering various 300BLK ammo in the 300HAM'R and all of them chambered ahead of the extractor (including Rem 220gr OTM) and had to be knocked out with a cleaning rod. Based on this I don't think you could get a BLK to fire in the HAM'R.

I don't have a 8" BLK here at the ranch and we don't make 8" 300 HAM'R barrels, but here's a comparison of my two 11.3" pistols

300BLK
110gr Hornady V-MAX 2251FPS-A
125gr HSM Sierra SPT PH 1966FPS-A

300 HAM'R
110gr WC Sierra HP 2431FPS-A
125gr WC Sierra SBT PH 2393FPS-A

As a FYI we just started experimenting with a new powder for the 110gr loads and it looks like we can gain close to 100fps with it, we just run out of powder space with the light bullet loads using CFEBLK before we get over 50k PSI