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Re: WILSON COMBAT 300 HAM'R [Re: Pitchfork Predator] #7507483 05/08/19 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitchfork Predator
Let’s take hog killing out of the discussion and talk about the HAMR being able to step up to the 150 gr. 30 caliber space and kill elk, oryx effectively would you try that with the 6.8 120 gr. SST?


I did take a Red Stag with 6.5 Grendel 123gr SST. Two shots through the boiler room. One punched all the way through. The other stopped in the opposite shoulder. 75yds

Don't care much for comparing, they all get the job done. Can't wait to try this Ham'r out tho.


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Just ordered a WC Protector Carbine in 300 Ham'r. Have several 300Bo, a Grendel and a 6.8. Thought I'd see how it fares. Gonna use the 125gr Pro Hunters on some pigs soon.


Tks for the business, trust me your like the 300 HAM'R for hogs and deer. You might consider the 130gr Speer HotCore load for hogs, I've killed over 500 with that load and it really gets the job done. I think you will find that it puts them on the ground noticeably quicker than the Blackout, Grendel or 6.8, the Sierra expands a little to quick for a shoulder shot on a big hog. I'd stick to spine and brain shots with the Sierra.


Thanks! Will try it out for sure.


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Let’s take hog killing out of the discussion and talk about the HAMR being able to step up to the 150 gr. 30 caliber space and kill elk, oryx effectively would you try that with the 6.8 120 gr. SST?


I don't hunt Elk so I can not give you any input on that. That being said I have read many posts of guys taking elk without any issues with a 6.8SPC.

Again I never said it wasn't a good caliber. What I have brought to attention is statements made
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I think you will find that it puts them on the ground noticeably quicker than the Blackout, Grendel or 6.8


And from their website "has proven it to kill much more effectively than the 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 7.62×39 or 300 Blackout."


So what? It’s marketing a new product and it seems to be working for them.


All about marketing product with statements that are valid. Who knows time may tell that it is the best caliber but to make those claims with after shooting 200 hogs I call BS.


First off I'm not trying to start a pissing contest here, just commenting based on my personal experiences and those of the people I trust.

Where's the 200 hogs reference coming from? I've personally shot over 500 hogs with the 300 HAM'R now, 183 of them YTD since Jan1 with several over 200# and one 320#. I know for a fact that we've sold over 25 300 HAM'R rifles in Red River county TX alone and I know of one guy that has already shot over 200 with his so I'm sure the hog kills are over 1000 by now just in Red River county. I also shot 22 deer, 1 Elk, 1 Oryx, I Waterbuck and 1 Addax too. My buddy Terrill from NC shot the first black bear with his. In my mind the caliber is well proven in the hunting field. I'm taking one to South Africa in Aug so we'll see how it does on African game???

Don't get me wrong I still have several 6.8s, like them and have shot a LOT of game with them. But based on my "personal" experiences the 300 HAM'R will put a hog on the ground quicker that the 6.8 with a shoulder/lung shot. When you hunt in NE TX river bottoms like I do the less they run the better, especially in the summer when the snakes are out!!!

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Originally Posted by eneat1119
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Let’s take hog killing out of the discussion and talk about the HAMR being able to step up to the 150 gr. 30 caliber space and kill elk, oryx effectively would you try that with the 6.8 120 gr. SST?


I did take a Red Stag with 6.5 Grendel 123gr SST. Two shots through the boiler room. One punched all the way through. The other stopped in the opposite shoulder. 75yds

Don't care much for comparing, they all get the job done. Can't wait to try this Ham'r out tho.

Me either, I'll post my results. Yes they do get it done if you can do your part. up


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First off I'm not trying to start a pissing contest here, just commenting based on my personal experiences and those of the people I trust.

Where's the 200 hogs reference coming from? I've personally shot over 500 hogs with the 300 HAM'R now, 183 of them YTD since Jan1 with several over 200# and one 320#. I know for a fact that we've sold over 25 300 HAM'R rifles in Red River county TX alone and I know of one guy that has already shot over 200 with his so I'm sure the hog kills are over 1000 by now just in Red River county. I also shot 22 deer, 1 Elk, 1 Oryx, I Waterbuck and 1 Addax too. My buddy Terrill from NC shot the first black bear with his. In my mind the caliber is well proven in the hunting field. I'm taking one to South Africa in Aug so we'll see how it does on African game???

Don't get me wrong I still have several 6.8s, like them and have shot a LOT of game with them. But based on my "personal" experiences the 300 HAM'R will put a hog on the ground quicker that the 6.8 with a shoulder/lung shot. When you hunt in NE TX river bottoms like I do the less they run the better, especially in the summer when the snakes are out!!!


Don't consider it a pissing contest Sir, Let me state again that I am not saying that it's not a good caliber. The video linked is where I heard the 200 hogs but I stand corrected. It was stated that it was field tested on over 200 hogs, not just 200. We have all seen marketing of a caliber that it's the greatest and then after people get one and actually put it to work it falls short of those claims. I am not saying that your Ham'r will fall short of what was stated. I'm sure that it has had more use and testing since it was released but from the beginning it was stated in this video that it had nearly the same effectiveness in the field as a .308 and that it kills better than the 5.56, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8SPC and the 300 BO. At the time these statements were made it was stated that it had been tested on over 200 hogs, not 300+ but over 200. I find this a low number to claim it kills better than all the other AR-15 calibers.
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Again not saying that it isn't a good caliber and you could be correct in all your statements. I do not have a 300 Ham'r so I have based the velocities off of your website and according to the numbers it is not that much better than a 6.8 inside of 200 yards. The 6.8 overall shoots flatter and past 200 the 6.8 has the slight edge. Time will tell


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First off I'm not trying to start a pissing contest here, just commenting based on my personal experiences and those of the people I trust.

Where's the 200 hogs reference coming from? I've personally shot over 500 hogs with the 300 HAM'R now, 183 of them YTD since Jan1 with several over 200# and one 320#. I know for a fact that we've sold over 25 300 HAM'R rifles in Red River county TX alone and I know of one guy that has already shot over 200 with his so I'm sure the hog kills are over 1000 by now just in Red River county. I also shot 22 deer, 1 Elk, 1 Oryx, I Waterbuck and 1 Addax too. My buddy Terrill from NC shot the first black bear with his. In my mind the caliber is well proven in the hunting field. I'm taking one to South Africa in Aug so we'll see how it does on African game???

Don't get me wrong I still have several 6.8s, like them and have shot a LOT of game with them. But based on my "personal" experiences the 300 HAM'R will put a hog on the ground quicker that the 6.8 with a shoulder/lung shot. When you hunt in NE TX river bottoms like I do the less they run the better, especially in the summer when the snakes are out!!!


Don't consider it a pissing contest Sir, Let me state again that I am not saying that it's not a good caliber. The video linked is where I heard the 200 hogs but I stand corrected. It was stated that it was field tested on over 200 hogs, not just 200. We have all seen marketing of a caliber that it's the greatest and then after people get one and actually put it to work it falls short of those claims. I am not saying that your Ham'r will fall short of what was stated. I'm sure that it has had more use and testing since it was released but from the beginning it was stated in this video that it had nearly the same effectiveness in the field as a .308 and that it kills better than the 5.56, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8SPC and the 300 BO. At the time these statements were made it was stated that it had been tested on over 200 hogs, not 300+ but over 200. I find this a low number to claim it kills better than all the other AR-15 calibers.
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Again not saying that it isn't a good caliber and you could be correct in all your statements. I do not have a 300 Ham'r so I have based the velocities off of your website and according to the numbers it is not that much better than a 6.8 inside of 200 yards. The 6.8 overall shoots flatter and past 200 the 6.8 has the slight edge. Time will tell


Video was shot last July if I remember correctly, been a LOT of hog killin done since then. Yes time will tell.

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I think you are splitting hairs with the power levels of the 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel or 30 HAM'R. I personally wouldn't use any of them on Elk sized animals.



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This is just like any other caliber debate, it's a waste of time to have a sword fight over which one kills hogs better. Wilson Combat is too good to introduce a new option that doesn't outperform existing commercial options on paper. So that's a given.

You just have to make a decision based on your use case. If the marginal gains outweigh the lack of widespread commercial support, then by all means go for it! I'm sure it will work great. It's just like picking anything else, for the most part you are going to sacrifice a certain amount of performance to get cheaper ammo with more options and availability.

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This is just like any other caliber debate, it's a waste of time to have a sword fight over which one kills hogs better. Wilson Combat is too good to introduce a new option that doesn't outperform existing commercial options on paper. So that's a given.

You just have to make a decision based on your use case. If the marginal gains outweigh the lack of widespread commercial support, then by all means go for it! I'm sure it will work great. It's just like picking anything else, for the most part you are going to sacrifice a certain amount of performance to get cheaper ammo with more options and availability.


All I can say now due to a NDA is that "widespread commercial support" may not be far away.

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Somebody needs to harvest a few 200+ lb boars and do a test at 100 yards and test different calibers to see how much penetration each get through the shield and shoulder. grin rifle aim There are just too many variables in live hunting to say whether one has more knockdown power than the other especially when different people aim for different spots. Obviously head/neck shots are going to drop them more than shoulder/behind the shoulder shots.

either way the ballistics compared to 300 blk and 7.62 are impressive in an ar-15.

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Im just curious if the man behind the screen name is Bill Wilson. I know he shoots a ton of hogs. popcorn

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Im just curious if the man behind the screen name is Bill Wilson. I know he shoots a ton of hogs. popcorn


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Yes it is. He posted and introduced himself in mikei’s 300 HMR thread a few weeks ago.


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Yes it is. He posted and introduced himself in mikei’s 300 HMR thread a few weeks ago.


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I wouldn't trade your 6.8 for one.


Oh no.. definitely not!! grin I just had never heard of it before and thought it was interesting.


Don't blink, or you'll miss its passing too... much like their poly-framed 1911s (KZ45), there's just not enough market interest to keep it around for long.

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Somebody needs to harvest a few 200+ lb boars and do a test at 100 yards and test different calibers to see how much penetration each get through the shield and shoulder. grin rifle aim There are just too many variables in live hunting to say whether one has more knockdown power than the other especially when different people aim for different spots. Obviously head/neck shots are going to drop them more than shoulder/behind the shoulder shots.

either way the ballistics compared to 300 blk and 7.62 are impressive in an ar-15.


We've shot quite a few 200#+ boars and two over 300# (actual weighed on a scale) and have done a lot of bullet recovery testing on dead hogs. You can see some of this in our videos on the web site. Both the 130gr Speer HotCore and the Hornady 150gr SST have more penetration than is needed for any shot angle and blow through the toughest shield. Weight retention is usually in the 70% range which I consider ideal since the other 30% is fragments that often do a lot of damage. BTY you never want to shoot a hog behind the shoulder, there are no vitals there like a deer. The "ideal" shot is with the hog quartering to you and shoot them in the center of the neck, plan A will be a severed spine and a DRT hog with the bullet penetrating to plan B which is the lungs which usually ends up with the hog running 20-100yds.

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I wouldn't trade your 6.8 for one.


Oh no.. definitely not!! grin I just had never heard of it before and thought it was interesting.


Don't blink, or you'll miss its passing too... much like their poly-framed 1911s (KZ45), there's just not enough market interest to keep it around for long.


No comparison here and the reason we discontinued the KZ series is that we could never learn how to make them at a profit if sold at a competitive price. They were good guns, especially the 9mm version and we still have plenty of magazines and spare parts to support them. Our EDC X9 series is a better gun and we can build them at a profit.

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I wouldn't trade your 6.8 for one.


Oh no.. definitely not!! grin I just had never heard of it before and thought it was interesting.


Don't blink, or you'll miss its passing too... much like their poly-framed 1911s (KZ45), there's just not enough market interest to keep it around for long.


No comparison here and the reason we discontinued the KZ series is that we could never learn how to make them at a profit if sold at a competitive price. They were good guns, especially the 9mm version and we still have plenty of magazines and spare parts to support them. Our EDC X9 series is a better gun and we can build them at a profit.


More choices are rarely a bad thing.

I wish you the best of luck with your .30 cartridge.

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So pops took my Protector 300 Ham'r to the range while I'm stuck coaching baseball all week. He loved it. Topped it off with an Athlon Midas BTR 1-6 and got this 3-shot group at 100yds w/125gr Pro Hunters. Can't wait to try it out on some piggies.

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Nice group. I'm headed out tonight with mine shooting the Speer 130 gr. Hot Core. up

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Originally Posted by Pitchfork Predator
Nice group. I'm headed out tonight with mine shooting the Speer 130 gr. Hot Core. up


Keep us posted grin

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The round performed as advertised. Shot 3 hogs, boar weighed about 225. Nothing ran more than 20 yards. Rig ran flawlessly as I expect from WC. up


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The round performed as advertised. Shot 3 hogs, boar weighed about 225. Nothing ran more than 20 yards. Rig ran flawlessly as I expect from WC. up

That guy that assembled everything did a good job flag

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The round performed as advertised. Shot 3 hogs, boar weighed about 225. Nothing ran more than 20 yards. Rig ran flawlessly as I expect from WC. up

That guy that assembled everything did a good job flag


Cool up . I got a guy at work building one as I type after I sent him the info about this round and he saw the barrels were on sale recently grin

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I made my 200th hog kills since Jan 1, 2019 with the 300 HAM'R last night bringing my YTD total to 203 (2 were with the new .350 Legend and 1 with my .358 Win) and well over 600 hog kills with the 300 HAM'R over the past 15 months. Of all of the hog hunting I've done with the 300 HAM'R I've had no more than 12 hogs that I didn't recover and these were all due to either my poor shot placement and/or bad judgement. Most of the kills have been with the Speer 130gr HotCore, but several have been with the 110gr Hornady or Speer SP or the 150gr Hornady SST (.300 Savage variant). This is just the hogs that I've personally killed and doesn't count the ones other hunters have killed that I guided here at the ranch.

I consider the caliber well vetted as far as hunting goes.

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