45GAP.

I’ll read all this later

God forbid people like spending their money on things that work.

It burns!

WOW!!!!! 12 years old.....really???!!!! That thing is a dinosaur!! Cant believe it took so long for it to catch on. LOL!

In my opinion the 6.5 is a shooters cartridge. In the 12 years its been around I have only seen one in any deer camp I have been in. The fact is when it comes to hunting there are dozens of other rounds out there that kill critters just as dead as the 6.5. Its not magic when it comes to killing so most hunters couldn't care less about it.

I stand behind what I said about it being the next to fall. Shooters are always looking for something new to give them a greater edge in target shooting. Few years ago Lapuas were all the rage in the shooting circles. Now I hardly ever see a mention of it anymore. When a couple of big shooting matches are won with some new caliber the focus will shift to that caliber and people will wonder what ever happened to the Creed.

Remember, I didn't say it was a bad cartridge. So don't get your feelings hurt.

Shooters cartridge? Yes. Fine hunting cartridge too, been used that way for years. As has been mentioned many times, the 6.5X55 has been doing it for many, many decades. They share ballistics. However, one is far easier to get ammo for. And it is a shorter case, using less powder, again with really close ballistics to its' predecessor.

No it's not magic, no one said it was. Do fishermen only use one lure? Or do several work?

Hornady is supporting it with ammo. That is the reason the .260 Rem did not do better. The 6.5 Creedmoor and the .260 Rem, both loaded with a 140 gr, fly exactly the same, well past 1k. Hit animals exactly the same, at any distance. But Remington, once again, dropped the ball, and the .260 faded away. So, it is going to take some ammo manufacturers the commitment of supporting their new cartridge, like Hornady is.

This is a discussion, no feelings involved.

The magic is in the marketing.

Hornady can make pallets and pallets of ammo for it but if it aint selling on the retail shelves then the retailers will quit selling it. When retailers quit buying it then Hornady quits making it.

Right now its selling and selling well. But so did the 260 you mentioned. I once owned two 260's and could find ammo at any Walmart or local hardware store out in the sticks. The 260 was once considered the "perfect" deer rifle by many outdoor writers so what could have possibly gone wrong?? You can bet that Remington didn't just slow ammo production and offerings because they wanted to lose sales of rifles and ammo. They did so because the popularity of the cartridge dwindled.

I sincerely hope the Creed continues to be the smashing success that its enjoying right now. History is not on its side though. It only took 20 years for the 300RUM to go from best seller to cant even find ammo on the worlds largest outdoor retailers shelf.

The 6.5 Creedmoor is a crossover round. It's great for long range and hunting. If you're in a deer camp with a bunch of old rednecks that don't give a damn about shooting to 1000+ yards (like I am), then of course they won't run out and buy a new rifle if theirs have been working just fine.

The guys on my lease probably don't even know what a Creedmoor is, and they're obviously not the target audience. That's only 13 dudes, though. I'm in a long range group with over 90,000 members and a large percentage are hunters. I'd wager that almost every single one of them either own a 6.5 Creemoor, are building one, or are aspiring to own one. For hunters/shooters that can only afford one rifle, it's easily one of the best options available. Especially with the huge (and growing) availability of factory rifles and ammo. It's not just a handloaders cartridge like it was 12 years ago.

All that being said, it's not my favorite long range round. It's definitely not my favorite hunting round. But if I had the budget or inclination to own one rifle to do everything, it would be a 6.5 Creedmoor.

And I still like you a bunch, J.

A big factor contributing to the demise of many cartridges over the past 25 years is recoil. It used to be that recoil was basically verboten to discuss lest one be labeled something less than a man, but now pendulum against recoil has swung so far the other direction that cartridges like the .270 Win. and .30-06 are routinely discussed as if they are hand cannons. The desire of many these days is basically zero felt recoil.

NP has a point. My 270 never kicked till I got a 260 and a 223 and shot them a bunch. Oddly enough, my 270 started to kick after that.

My take, the 6.5 cm is like the 243 win and the 260 rem is like the 6mm rem.... and Remington screwed up again!

I don’t see the 6.5 cm going anywhere anytime soon. Not as confident in the other cm variants though.

Agree. I started shooting a .270 as a slight 12 year old and it kicked the bejeesus out of me, but it was just part of hunting and shooting at that period in time. That mindset would not fly with most people today and I did not do that to my kids.


Nowadays we have a lot of options; reduced recoil loads, a wider variety of smaller calibers, etc.


I don't know many who will attest to the .270 being a hard kicker, but i'm not saying a .30-06 is comfortable to shoot. I had one and did not enjoy shooting it off the bench, and have never shot one that I enjoyed. And there is no denying if you are afraid of your gun you will shoot it poorly.


I am a fan of muzzle brakes and I fall into the group that isn't recoil sensitive, but don't see the need in getting pounded by a rifle if there is no need ( shooting a whitetail with a 7mm mag is an example of this )

Are people really considering the 6.5 creedmoor to be a do-everything caliber?


for my way of thinking, if you had only 1 rifle for all hoofed North American Big Game, that caliber range would start at the 7mm Remington mag and run thru the .338's.


No way would I want to hunt Moose, Elk or Mountain Goat with a 6.5 creedmoor.

I agree, but 95% of hunters will never hunt moose, large bears, dangerous game in Africa, etc. As for goats and mtn sheep sized game? I absolutely would hunt them with the 6.5CM.

Most people on a 1-rifle budget aren't hunting those things, and they're sure as hell not buying .338 equipment. For the average Texas hunter that wants to dabble in long range shooting, with a factory rifle and ammo, I stand by my comment. It is absolutely a do-it-all round. Probably the best option.

Prezackly. You're smarter than 2Beez looks. And acts. And is.

Agreed, but if your are not hunting Moose, Goat, Elk, etc. then a person is not looking for a do everything rifle, they are looking for a do everything deer rifle. I hear the phrase "do-all" I think of one gun to do any kind of hunting needed on this continent minus Brown and Grizzly Bear

I would hunt moose with a 6.5 Creedmoor before I would hunt mountain goats with one. I wouldn’t hesitate to hunt any other medium-sized game with one. I personally wouldn’t use one for elk or bears or anything above medium sized plains game in Africa.

And, yes, the 6.5 Creedmoor is being touted as an all-around “do all” cartridge these days. Which is silly...

No.
Deer, hogs, javelina, coyote, fox, bobcat, prairie dog, pronghorn, sheep, raccoon.....it goes on and on. You're not thinking like the average hunter. And you're definitely not thinking like a a long range shooter. Which are the things the 6.5 Creedmoor is perfect for.

It's a crossover cartridge. It's great for hunting and great for shooting targets at 1200+ yards. I hope you have better comprehension in the legal business than you do in the forum troll business. Otherwise, you'll be chasing ambulances before long.

Lol, OK buddy....

I wouldn't be your buddy as part of a plea bargain.