Are we arguing the ethics of dinner again?

Rare.

There’s two kinds of hunting. Free range and high fence. It doesn’t matter how big the fence is. It’s the same difference between catching a 10 pound bass on Amistad and catching one in the tank behind my house. It’s also the same difference as killing a limit of pen raised quail and killing a limit of wild bird. It’s all how you look at it. It’s still hunting or fishing but it’s not the same.

Maybe it's not so much about what is fenced in....but what is fenced out.

Which ten million acre ranch are you talking about?

It's not for me. If you like it, power on.

To each his own.

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Maui is 485,000

The entire Hawaii island chain is 6.5 milllion.

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10 million acres- why would you even high fence that much propert, hypothetically? To keep people out, not to keep critters in.

If they build the walll, will that make the USA high fence? Ot just Texas? Is the rivers and terrain not enough?

Good to know that about Maui. Good to know that the King Ranch is literally 2x the size of Maui.

I used to hunt small game on Fort Bragg inside the main cantonment area, as in inside the "fence". I guess that's high fence hunting?

Fyi the deer hunting is better outside of that fence. But you can hunt deer inside of it... archery deer and shotgun small game.

I've been on this "ranch". 3,740 square kilometers. >> Bubye Valley (Pronounced "boo- bee" )

Perimeter is fenced. Elephants walk right through it, if they want to. I don't believe the lions care that it's not "fair chase", by the narrow definition of some here.

It is called supper here unless you were talking about the noon meal on Sunday

Can the animal leave the area if they want to? If not then its not free range.

Even a 1 million acre ranch is not free range if it has a high fence keeping the animals within a specified boundary. Now take that same 1 million acre ranch and take away the fence and even though the animals will never leave the property because its larger than the area they will cover in their lifetime, its free range because the animals COULD range off of it.

I'd argue that if the area is so much larger than what a animal could possibly cover in a lifetime of foraging and breeding, then technically the animal could not range off of it.

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Ridiculous statement.


There is a much difference between a high fence place that is 100 acres and one that is 1,000.

It’s posts like these they show that people make judgements based on preconceived notions and not actual experience.


by that logic, Amistad would still be considered cheating if you compared catching a bass out of it, it to a bass out of lake Michigan.


People hunt islands all the time ( Raspberry and Afognak in Alaska and Anticosti in Canada) for deer and elk.....are those not a real fair chase hunt?



Its not a black and white issue that most make it out to be

10,000 acres of Broadmouth Ranch, owned by retired Denver Broncos player Rulon Jones, is behind high fence.
Boone and Crockett does not recognize Bull Elk taken on this part of the ranch for the record book because they are not free ranging and are not considered fair chase.

Using some of the logic on here, all North American game are captive; they are confined by the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Sea, and Panama Canal. It was more fair before the Panama Canal was dug - animals could free range from Cape Horn to the Arctic Circle. Damn you, Teddy Roosevelt!! Sportsman my a$$!

Let's call a spade a spade. When you get down to the real nut-cuttin', for some, any hunting other than what they've been able to do (or afford) "ain't real huntin'".

Pretty much. If its high fence its not real hunting, if you shot it using a feeder it ain't real hunting, if you shot it at too great a distance it ain't real hunting, if you shot it out of a vehicle it ain't real huntin' …….the list goes on.


I would love to go back to the original hunting dictionary and see what falls under the term "real hunting"? if its not real, is it fake hunting? Façade Hunting? whats the other side of the coin?

Rare is definitely how it should be served though

I don't think there is a million acre ranch in existence…..much less in the lower 48. Even the king ranch at 800k acres is not contiguous.


But, using that logic, many blocks of land are not free range by the above definitions, since even though their boundaries may be low fenced, there are high fences and other boundaries that will confine animals when looked at over a broader scope.

I hunt 4000+ acres low fence and can honestly say it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Tame is the word that comes to mind and it's much easier than hunting much of the smaller acreage HF places I've been to.

its like that a lot of places. 90% of the antelope I saw in Wyoming I could have knocked over with a open sighted 30-30. Mule deer in the National Forest that will sit 30 yards off the ATV trail and feed. Bighorn sheep feeding right next to the highway.


You experience enough different things the idealism washes away and gets replaced with realism

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Rabble-rouser.

And no, 6.5 Creedmoor isn't really enough for HF deer. Get a real cartridge, you hipsters.