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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: Ryan F.]
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02/28/19 11:03 PM
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Did SHE have any published ruling to refute the published information on the ATF website? I have more than once seen cops and other govt officals not know what they were talking about. So why did SHE say that the ATF website said something contradictory to the information SHE was giving out? Do you have any published information to back her statement, cause I have it to back mine?
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: Ryan F.]
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02/28/19 11:30 PM
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“A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.”
From your link. Pretty sure the handguns are not mailable may contradict your statement.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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02/28/19 11:32 PM
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“A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.”
From your link. Pretty sure the handguns are not mailable may contradict your statement. Read the next question. “Mailable” does not mean “shipable”
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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02/28/19 11:35 PM
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“A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.”
From your link. Pretty sure the handguns are not mailable may contradict your statement. Read the next question. “Mailable” does not mean “shipable” Well I don’t know then but I wouldn’t take the chance.
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: Ryan F.]
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02/28/19 11:37 PM
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The female ATF agent mentioned in this thread is misinformed and/or poorly trained.
That is no excuse however for her lack of reading comprehension, as the info posted on-line (FAQs) is also printed in the FFL rules book which the ATF provides along with their license application package. At least, it is printed in mine.
If she is an FFL compliance inspector, I'm embarrassed for her.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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02/28/19 11:38 PM
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“A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.”
From your link. Pretty sure the handguns are not mailable may contradict your statement. I love how i direct people to look at questions 7&8, and you only look at 7. And then tell me i am wrong........ PS if you look at all my post on the subject you will see that i never said that handguns were mailable, i said they had to go through something like fedex when shipped person to person
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: 9x19]
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02/28/19 11:39 PM
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The female ATF agent mentioned in this thread is misinformed and/or poorly trained.
That is no excuse however for her lack of reading comprehension, as the info posted on-line (FAQs) is also printed in the FFL rules book which the ATF provides along with their license application package. At least, it is printed in mine.
Lack of reading comprehension seems to be a plague around here....
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Re: Selling a gun online
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02/28/19 11:40 PM
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“A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.”
From your link. Pretty sure the handguns are not mailable may contradict your statement. Read the next question. “Mailable” does not mean “shipable” Well I don’t know then but I wouldn’t take the chance. Just follow the posted rules and there is no chance
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Re: Selling a gun online
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02/28/19 11:44 PM
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“A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.”
From your link. Pretty sure the handguns are not mailable may contradict your statement. Read the next question. “Mailable” does not mean “shipable” Well I don’t know then but I wouldn’t take the chance. Just follow the posted rules and there is no chance Still ain’t poking the bear but good luck to you.
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: Ryan F.]
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02/28/19 11:45 PM
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This makes me think of all the posts in the classifieds: “Will only sell to CHL holder. Must get copy of CHL. Must sign bill of sale. Must provide stool sample.”
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: Ryan F.]
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02/28/19 11:46 PM
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Here is the pertinent rule with the law citation to back it up. (emphasis mine) Notice the only thing that changes for rile or pistol is the shipping METHOD.
(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service? A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 178.31, 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
I'll leave it for you guys to dig into the US Code, and Combined Federal Regulations to see the exact verbiage of the law.
Last edited by 9x19; 03/01/19 01:36 AM. Reason: Why ask why?
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: 9x19]
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02/28/19 11:54 PM
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Here is the pertinent rule with the law citation to back it up. (emphasis mine) Notice the only thing that changes for rile or pistol is the shipping METHOD.
(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 178.31, 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
I'll leave it for you guys to dig into the US Code, and Code of Federal Regulations to see the exact verbiage of the law.
Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to tell you that you are wrong cause their cousin's wife's hairdresser told them you couldn't ship a gun, even though you just showed them the atf rule...
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: Ryan F.]
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03/01/19 12:46 AM
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If you ARE NOT an FFL licensee you cannot "mail" a handgun via the USPS. You CAN "ship" a handgun via UPS or FedEx (they may make you ship via overnight service which will cost big $$$). As already stated...you may be better off taking the handgun to your local FFL and let them "mail" it via USPS.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: The Dude Abides]
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03/01/19 01:06 AM
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If you ARE NOT an FFL licensee you cannot "mail" a handgun via the USPS. You CAN "ship" a handgun via UPS or FedEx (they may make you ship via overnight service which will cost big $$$). As already stated...you may be better off taking the handgun to your local FFL and let them "mail" it via USPS. Yuuuuuuuuup. It’s typically costs less to go through an FFL (that can mail USPS), but that doesn’t mean you can’t ship a handgun to a non-licensed individual within state boundaries.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 01:07 AM
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Things we have learned so far: Some FFL holders can’t read. Some ATF agents can’t read.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 01:36 AM
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If you ARE NOT an FFL licensee you cannot "mail" a handgun via the USPS. You CAN "ship" a handgun via UPS or FedEx (they may make you ship via overnight service which will cost big $$$). As already stated...you may be better off taking the handgun to your local FFL and let them "mail" it via USPS. Yuuuuuuuuup. It’s typically costs less to go through an FFL (that can mail USPS), but that doesn’t mean you can’t ship a handgun to a non-licensed individual within state boundaries. "I" can only ship firearms to FFL licensees and could care less what non-licensees do. They typically do whatever the feel like doing anyway.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 01:49 AM
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Even though this thread got a little heated, I think most agreed that you can mail or ship a long gun to whoever intra-Texas. But what about an AR15 stripped lower?
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 02:24 AM
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Even though this thread got a little heated, I think most agreed that you can mail or ship a long gun to whoever intra-Texas. But what about an AR15 stripped lower? Rifle or pistol? The way I see it, a stripped lower would have to be shipped through UPS or Fedex.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 03:33 AM
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Lowers are neither handgun, nor rifle until assembled with an upper (transferred on 4473 as "other"), so since not a handgun, US mail is fine.
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: 9x19]
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03/01/19 02:01 PM
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Lowers are neither handgun, nor rifle until assembled with an upper (transferred on 4473 as "other"), so since not a handgun, US mail is fine. Interesting. I was once turned down buying a lower at a gun shop because I was under 21. I don’t recall my age at the time, but I was over 18.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 03:29 PM
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Lowers are neither handgun, nor rifle until assembled with an upper (transferred on 4473 as "other"), so since not a handgun, US mail is fine. Interesting. I was once turned down buying a lower at a gun shop because I was under 21. I don’t recall my age at the time, but I was over 18. Under 21 cannot buy a handgun from a dealer. A stripped receiver can be made into a pistol.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Selling a gun online
[Re: The Dude Abides]
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03/01/19 03:49 PM
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Lowers are neither handgun, nor rifle until assembled with an upper (transferred on 4473 as "other"), so since not a handgun, US mail is fine. Interesting. I was once turned down buying a lower at a gun shop because I was under 21. I don’t recall my age at the time, but I was over 18. Under 21 cannot buy a handgun from a dealer. A stripped receiver can be made into a pistol. Which makes perfect sense, and since it “could be” assembled into a pistol I would think it would have to be shipped through a common carrier. *this is entirely my thoughts, I have no proof of this, and I am trying to apply logic to gun laws... which never works.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 04:53 PM
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I have shipped via. Fed X a pistol back and forth a few times (not over night) to a smith that is also a LEO. No problem...
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Re: Selling a gun online
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03/01/19 05:21 PM
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I have shipped via. Fed X a pistol back and forth a few times (not over night) to a smith that is also a LEO. No problem... Did you tell the FedEx person that you were shipping a handgun? Shipping to a gunsmith that is a LEO is irrelevant. Shipping to private residence vs. commercial business does make a difference in price in certain cases.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Selling a gun online
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