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Re: Feeder on fencline hmmm [Re: sunsetroosters] #7298725 09/27/18 02:07 AM
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Been a while since I took hunter Ed but they specifically addressed this and said a game warden cannot and would not legally go onto someone’s property to retrieve a deer. I’m sure there is a story of one doing it but that doesn’t make it the norm/law for it to happen.

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Originally Posted By: sunsetroosters
Repelling the deer is my only option. For the record.


It won't matter what you put out for a scent, once the deer have been around it for awhile, they will get used to the smell. If nothing about the smell indicates danger, after awhile they will not associate it with danger and ignore the smell. The smells, sounds, vehicles etc., the deer see, hear and smell have to been associated with danger before they will avoid the area. If no danger happens, they will soon ignore it.

I can ride through our pasture with the guy that farm leases our place and the deer just look up and watch us as we drive through. But if I drive through the pasture in a strange pickup, they will scatter as we drive through. But if I use that latter pickup and drive through on a regular basis, they will get used to it and after awhile ignore me.


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Re: Feeder on fencline hmmm [Re: Texas Dan] #7298768 09/27/18 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: Texas Dan
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FWIW, if the hunter with the feeder shoots a deer on HIS side of the fence and it jumps said fence onto your property it is still his deer. Ask a game warden or lawyer.
It is what it is..


Nope, and he can’t legally recover it unless you give him permission. That deer can lay 5 feet from the fence and there is zero any game warden or lawyer can do about it.


Information on the TPWD appears to indicate that as well. It also says nothing about a TPWD officer being able to retrieve a deer that has ended up on a neighbor’s land, nor does it recommend that hunters contact a game warden in that same situation. All an officer can do is enter the property to ensure anyone hunting there is complying with all game laws.

I suspect reports of officers retrieving deer on the behalf of hunters, if true, are examples of officers operating in a gray area. They might encourage the landowner to give the animal to the neighbor who shot it, or perhaps burn a tag if they desire to keep it.

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Game Wardens have ways if a landowner refuses to let someone retrieve a deer, depending upon the situation and their attitude, the Game Warden can give the landowner a ticket for wasting game meat. That usually will get them a free pass to retrieve the deer.

Re: Feeder on fencline hmmm [Re: rfamilyhunting] #7298778 09/27/18 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: rfamilyhunting
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FWIW, if the hunter with the feeder shoots a deer on HIS side of the fence and it jumps said fence onto your property it is still his deer. Ask a game warden or lawyer.
It is what it is..


Nope, and he can’t legally recover it unless you give him permission. That deer can lay 5 feet from the fence and there is zero any game warden or lawyer can do about it.


Information on the TPWD appears to indicate that as well. It also says nothing about a TPWD officer being able to retrieve a deer that has ended up on a neighbor’s land, nor does it recommend that hunters contact a game warden in that same situation. All an officer can do is enter the property to ensure anyone hunting there is complying with all game laws.

I suspect reports of officers retrieving deer on the behalf of hunters, if true, are examples of officers operating in a gray area. They might encourage the landowner to give the animal to the neighbor who shot it, or perhaps burn a tag if they desire to keep it.

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Game Wardens have ways if a landowner refuses to let someone retrieve a deer, depending upon the situation and their attitude, the Game Warden can give the landowner a ticket for wasting game meat. That usually will get them a free pass to retrieve the deer.

I am not sure that would stick.

Re: Feeder on fencline hmmm [Re: rfamilyhunting] #7298785 09/27/18 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: rfamilyhunting
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FWIW, if the hunter with the feeder shoots a deer on HIS side of the fence and it jumps said fence onto your property it is still his deer. Ask a game warden or lawyer.
It is what it is..


Nope, and he can’t legally recover it unless you give him permission. That deer can lay 5 feet from the fence and there is zero any game warden or lawyer can do about it.


Information on the TPWD appears to indicate that as well. It also says nothing about a TPWD officer being able to retrieve a deer that has ended up on a neighbor’s land, nor does it recommend that hunters contact a game warden in that same situation. All an officer can do is enter the property to ensure anyone hunting there is complying with all game laws.

I suspect reports of officers retrieving deer on the behalf of hunters, if true, are examples of officers operating in a gray area. They might encourage the landowner to give the animal to the neighbor who shot it, or perhaps burn a tag if they desire to keep it.

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Game Wardens have ways if a landowner refuses to let someone retrieve a deer, depending upon the situation and their attitude, the Game Warden can give the landowner a ticket for wasting game meat. That usually will get them a free pass to retrieve the deer.


Can you give one example of this happening and the charges sticking?

Re: Feeder on fencline hmmm [Re: krmitchell] #7298814 09/27/18 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: krmitchell

Can you give one example of this happening and the charges sticking?


It's most likely a case of you might be the rap but can't beat the ride.


Willfully wasting game meat from one of god's edible creatures ought to be the main concern here for any landowner or hunter regardless of which side of the fence it died on. These sorts of discussions and opinions put a bad light on Texas hunting.

In fact these annual discussions bring out the worst in people from all sides.

Re: Feeder on fencline hmmm [Re: sunsetroosters] #7298832 09/27/18 10:48 AM
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Not sure, but perhaps the reason why hunters often move their feeders away fence lines after being contacted by a game warden is because they tell them any deer that falls on the other side of the fence is their neighbor’s deer. I mean, how many officers out there really want to be involved in such disputes. Don’t they already have enough time just trying to keep up with the ones who willfully break the law?


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Originally Posted By: BOONER
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I wonder how many deer your neighbor plans to take off his two acre tract.


The state says he can fill all of his tags, regardless of acreage that he owns. Some of you guys kill me when y’all preach individual rights but y’all want to control how and where someone can hunt on their own land! Kinda ironic don’t you think!


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Originally Posted By: redchevy
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I wonder how many deer your neighbor plans to take off his two acre tract.


The state says he can fill all of his tags, regardless of acreage that he owns. Some of you guys kill me when y’all preach individual rights but y’all want to control how and where someone can hunt on their own land! Kinda ironic don’t you think!


Protecting individual rights is easy when the world is made up of good people.


Options are easy, either high fence him out or suck it up and see if he does anything nefarious. Anything else is either postulating or conjecture. Yes, I am getting pumped for the Supreme Court hearings today!

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I would be more concerned about a hunter harassment charge being brought against you for trying to ruin his hunt if I were you. Read the laws about HH.

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Can you give one example of this happening and the charges sticking?


It's most likely a case of you might be the rap but can't beat the ride.


Willfully wasting game meat from one of god's edible creatures ought to be the main concern here for any landowner or hunter regardless of which side of the fence it died on. These sorts of discussions and opinions put a bad light on Texas hunting.

In fact these annual discussions bring out the worst in people from all sides.


No game warden in their right mind is going to ticket a landowner for “wasting game” because he isn’t willing to allow someone on their property to try and retrieve a deer they shot near the fence line. That’s just ridiculous. On the other hand, I would support them ticketing the idiot that hunted the fence line irresponsibly in the first place and lost a deer.

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Is the fence all on your property or shared?

Re: Feeder on fencline hmmm [Re: sunsetroosters] #7299862 09/28/18 01:34 PM
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High fence your side, and talk to the neighbors on the other three sides into high fencing as well....Problem solved,and you are only talking 2 acres so it's not going to be that expensive if you split the cost.
If you don't want to high fence your side, then what that tells me is you don't want deer blocked from jumping in from his side, so you can't have it both ways, unless you just accept the fact he is within his rights.

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Rooster, I think you best bet is keep your place as conducive to deer and let the neighbors scent and activity run/keep the deer at bay, you don't have control of the wind direction 23/7, you cant be there 24/7, you said reasoning with him is out of the question. He has less than 3 acres, he will be his worst enemy and deer will pin point his stand pretty quick if he over hunts it anyway.

You could spend the cash for a more permanent solution, a HF, but you may have negatives to that as well, only you know if the cost is worth the aggravation. I don't think there is a any "scent" you can put out that will detour deer for any amount of valuable time and if the wind shifted, could screw you as well. I'd wager you could have a hundred dogs run that fence today and still get deer on TC overnight.

My 1st concern would be my safety if ever uses a rifle and him trespassing, that fence is where my TC would be hidden if it was me.

Good luck with it sir, just don't let it ruin your time there over worry about much you cant ultimately control.


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Rooster, I think you best bet is keep your place as conducive to deer and let the neighbors scent and activity run/keep the deer at bay, you don't have control of the wind direction 23/7, you cant be there 24/7, you said reasoning with him is out of the question. He has less than 3 acres, he will be his worst enemy and deer will pin point his stand pretty quick if he over hunts it anyway.

You could spend the cash for a more permanent solution, a HF, but you may have negatives to that as well, only you know if the cost is worth the aggravation. I don't think there is a any "scent" you can put out that will detour deer for any amount of valuable time and if the wind shifted, could screw you as well. I'd wager you could have a hundred dogs run that fence today and still get deer on TC overnight.

^^^^^^this peep

My 1st concern would be my safety if ever uses a rifle and him trespassing, that fence is where my TC would be hidden if it was me.

Good luck with it sir, just don't let it ruin your time there over worry about much you cant ultimately control.

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Lol cracks me up how far off the question this post got. Even after specifically stating that I didnt Wanna talk about the legalities, simply because I knew the post would go this way. 7 pages of comments and how many were about actual repellents lol.

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just put up a 4x8 sign on your side of the fence at the feeder location that simply says please dont shoot in this direction. after he shoots the sign call the sheriff and the GW. either way he will get the message.

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Originally Posted By: sunsetroosters
Lol cracks me up how far off the question this post got. Even after specifically stating that I didnt Wanna talk about the legalities, simply because I knew the post would go this way. 7 pages of comments and how many were about actual repellents lol.


You received many 'on topic' answers, there is no repellent that will have lasting results.
Deer become accustom to anything that doesn't prove to be a threat.

Like has been said,
Talk to the neighbor.
Call the GW & explain your concerns of a projectile crossing onto your property from the neighbors place.
Hang sheet(s) of plywood or roof tin on T posts on your side where you believe a projectile may cross property line, ( can & has been used as evidence).
High fence, inexpensive & take less than a day to high fence the length it would take to deter access of a few acres.
Buy the neighbor out.
Get over it, no matter how much work & expense the deer are not yours, nor does it give you any claim or right to kill them.

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Lol all these different suggestions are great. Let me clear the air. This person only has a couple acres that they are trying to pull their deer from my property. They literally can come from nowhere’s else. I know the neighbor and there is no sense in any discussions, I promise You this. I got The best buck I’ve ever seen hitting my place like clock work and I have put in a ton of work into making this place what it is today. I have Been deer hunting for a very long time and I take it very seriously. I need To know what I can Put on the fence line to repel the deer from his couple acre tract. If anyone could help I would Sure appreciate it. I do Not find it unsportsmanlike to repel the deer that he is trying to attract from all my sweat and hard work. It’s simple part of the game in my opinion. The feeder is for 100% fact for hunting.


Just put a deer feeder 20 yards on your side of the fence and throw corn about 5times a day and put a big box blind right on the fence next to his feeder. Put a camera on the box blind facing your feeder. If the guy is an arse he will shoot the blind then you have proof he shot across your fence, game over. Or the cameram might get picks of him jumping the fence and again game over.
I would also check the county you are in and see if there are any acre res ructions on firing a high power rifle. Many have a 10 acre law.

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Why the need to do anything? He can put a feeder on the other end of his property and the deer will find it. You put a feeder on your 75 acres to attract deer from your neighbors. None of your hard work entitles you to the deer in the area more than him or anyone else. Go hunt, forget the petty BS.

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Originally Posted By: BOONER
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I wonder how many deer your neighbor plans to take off his two acre tract.


The state says he can fill all of his tags, regardless of acreage that he owns. Some of you guys kill me when y’all preach individual rights but y’all want to control how and where someone can hunt on their own land! Kinda ironic don’t you think!


He can also have all his buddies over to fill all their tags. & his church group buddies can come shoot all the deer they want also, filling their tags.

There is no limit to has many deer can be shot on a property, of any size, in Texas.

The best repellant is HF. In this scenario, only being 2-3 acres, I would offer to pay the other neighbors portion of HF also, just to lock out Mr 2 Acres, just to see that is done.

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Sounds like a bunch of small acreage tracts so high fencing wouldn't be practical when surrounded by them.
If the OP has way more land, then just fence off that part where the guy owns his property and you are done messing with him.



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