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Re: Why baiting doves works
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Although often confused, the rules against baiting are very simple once you understand the concept of "normal agricultural practices". If you're hunting an area where what is normally done to create or harvest a crop, or to feed and maintain livestock, there is no foul. Of course, that doesn't mean an overzealous officer won't write you a ticket. But if it happens, you still have your right to explain your position and evidence to a judge.
I know a landowner who has a field that's covered in goat weed. I may just have to ask him if he'll let me hunt it in return for mowing it for him.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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I've always wondered why no one does the same thing to stop hunting. Not with this much distance though. Anti's could very easily use our own laws against hunters to stop a lot if they wanted to I always wondered if someone with nefarious intentions could dump some bags of feed out on their property next door or on the property to be hunted like at night time and then make an anonymous call to the game warden.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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Up on a north Texas lake a guy was "feeding ducks" on his property to keep the duck hunters away from his place so he could sleep in, in the mornings. There were signs out warden had a line basically a few hundred yards from then"feeding area" fortunately it was not 3 miles. But not the first time I've heard of such.
Know some guys up in the fort Cobb area that claims a well known hunter has his hands spread corn along the fence lines of property he wants to rest to keep the neighbors from hunting their fields.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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I know a landowner who has a field that's covered in goat weed. I may just have to ask him if he'll let me hunt it in return for mowing it for him.
walked one of the pastures that had goat-weeds, when the doves got up, it liked ta block out the sun.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..??
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..?? Heard they are using Bitcoin now for purchases.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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All I'll say is the state and I will have a long talk in the courtroom if they decide to shut me down because of something a neighbor did. I did know an old boy who planted a bunch of sunflowers and then hunted over them and the state did shut him down. Since he not only had no intentions of harvesting them nor the equipment it was declared baiting. This was almost 40 years ago. Agreed. I also don't know of any prosecutor in their right mind that would try and take a case like that to trial.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..?? Heard they are using Bitcoin now for purchases. Straight cash homey.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..?? doesn't sound like a wise business choice for a feed store to make.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..?? Heard they are using Bitcoin now for purchases. Straight cash homey. Too much DNA left behind.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..?? doesn't sound like a wise business choice for a feed store to make. I cannot imagine a GW even being able to get a search warrant for that info. If I owned a feed store I wouldn't share a thing. Buying seed is no probable cause for a GW to enter and search your property.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..?? doesn't sound like a wise business choice for a feed store to make. I cannot imagine a GW even being able to get a search warrant for that info. If I owned a feed store I wouldn't share a thing. Buying seed is no probable cause for a GW to enter and search your property. Nope, but hearing a gunshot is.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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My friend Harlon Winters , who had a dog training place outside of Burnet, had a neighbor about 2-3 miles down the road. The guy dumped most of a dump truck of milo/grain into his fields to attract doves. None of the neighbors had any doves , they were all going to the buffet at this guy's place. So the neighbors turned him in to the game warden. Harlon drove up to his place ( 3 miles away from the grain) and there was a sign on his gate declaring no hunting on this property because of the grain down the road. The next year the guy did not put out the grain The 3rd year he did and no one turned him in because they could not hunt on their property if they did. The law of unintended consequences.
OK I'm not buying this story but for the sake of argument lets just say it's true. Would the actions of this neighbor be grounds for a lawsuit by neighboring property owners. Should I have a nice clear bank pond that I've dove hunted over for years and my neighbor decides to put his feeders along the fence line about 100 yards away does this now make the pond a no hunt zone? I can't see being punished for something your neighbor does and damn sure don't see anyway it would stand up in court. Our district attorney will be at the card game to night and I'll run this past him.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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My friend Harlon Winters , who had a dog training place outside of Burnet, had a neighbor about 2-3 miles down the road. The guy dumped most of a dump truck of milo/grain into his fields to attract doves. None of the neighbors had any doves , they were all going to the buffet at this guy's place. So the neighbors turned him in to the game warden. Harlon drove up to his place ( 3 miles away from the grain) and there was a sign on his gate declaring no hunting on this property because of the grain down the road. The next year the guy did not put out the grain The 3rd year he did and no one turned him in because they could not hunt on their property if they did. The law of unintended consequences.
OK I'm not buying this story but for the sake of argument lets just say it's true. Would the actions of this neighbor be grounds for a lawsuit by neighboring property owners. Should I have a nice clear bank pond that I've dove hunted over for years and my neighbor decides to put his feeders along the fence line about 100 yards away does this now make the pond a no hunt zone? I can't see being punished for something your neighbor does and damn sure don't see anyway it would stand up in court. Our district attorney will be at the card game to night and I'll run this past him. I know one GW who would write citations for that. But I also agree a judge would throw it out.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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When you think about it, a crappy thing to do would be to dump a bag of maze on the fence line once a week, then call the GW and let him know that you are feeding the birds but not hunting. It could stop hunting next door. We had an old lady that came out every year and yelled at us because she didn't like the shotguns going off 400 yards away. Then she called the GW and would tell him that we were shooting over the fence and at her house. That GW was the one that everyone hears is a bad one, but seem to think they do not exist because they have coffee and shoot the breeze their GW. He would fly through the gate and hop out yelling, this happened every year before we moved leases. When all she had to do is dump out maze and tell the GW she was feeding. It does seem like there could be cause for hunter harassment if a neighbor was doing this intentionally to stop hunting.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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This is all I could find in the field notes relating to Burnet and baiting. This is from 2011.
"Just trying to give the kids a good hunt: On Sept. 3, Burnet County Game Wardens Ronnie Langford and Brent Whitus were checking dove hunters and checked a group of five young hunters. It was discovered that they were hunting over bait, one did not have a hunting license, they had an unplugged shotgun, no hunter education, and they had killed an Inca dove. The owner of the property admitted to putting out bait so the boys would have something to shoot at. Case pending."
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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My friend Harlon Winters , who had a dog training place outside of Burnet, had a neighbor about 2-3 miles down the road. The guy dumped most of a dump truck of milo/grain into his fields to attract doves. None of the neighbors had any doves , they were all going to the buffet at this guy's place. So the neighbors turned him in to the game warden. Harlon drove up to his place ( 3 miles away from the grain) and there was a sign on his gate declaring no hunting on this property because of the grain down the road. The next year the guy did not put out the grain The 3rd year he did and no one turned him in because they could not hunt on their property if they did. The law of unintended consequences.
Experienced something similar myself about 15 years ago. A friend had a place we regularly hunted that was a natural dove flyway. We would go there early afternoon and catch the birds going to feed, then pack up and go somewhere else around 5:00 if we hadn't finished our limits. There was a big sunflower field two places over (maybe a mile away) that the birds were going to. That landowner also day leased for dove hunting. Totally unbeknownst to us, he had "supplemented" his usual sunflower field one year when the sunflowers didn't make many seeds with a couple of thousand pounds of wheat. We were hunting our usual spots and could hear the lease hunters banging away, but then they completely stopped shooting really early. We were about finished ourselves when the local GW rolled up. We all knew him well, and he knew none of us were law breakers, so the encounter wasn't unpleasant, but he told us he had just busted about 20 hunters and the landowner for hunting a baited field. We weren't in any trouble and he let us keep the birds we had shot, but he told us not to hunt this place for at least a couple of weeks. I don't think it went very well for that landowner because as far as I know, he hasn't leased his place since then. Was this in Indian Gap, TX?
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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My friend Harlon Winters , who had a dog training place outside of Burnet, had a neighbor about 2-3 miles down the road. The guy dumped most of a dump truck of milo/grain into his fields to attract doves. None of the neighbors had any doves , they were all going to the buffet at this guy's place. So the neighbors turned him in to the game warden. Harlon drove up to his place ( 3 miles away from the grain) and there was a sign on his gate declaring no hunting on this property because of the grain down the road. The next year the guy did not put out the grain The 3rd year he did and no one turned him in because they could not hunt on their property if they did. The law of unintended consequences.
Experienced something similar myself about 15 years ago. A friend had a place we regularly hunted that was a natural dove flyway. We would go there early afternoon and catch the birds going to feed, then pack up and go somewhere else around 5:00 if we hadn't finished our limits. There was a big sunflower field two places over (maybe a mile away) that the birds were going to. That landowner also day leased for dove hunting. Totally unbeknownst to us, he had "supplemented" his usual sunflower field one year when the sunflowers didn't make many seeds with a couple of thousand pounds of wheat. We were hunting our usual spots and could hear the lease hunters banging away, but then they completely stopped shooting really early. We were about finished ourselves when the local GW rolled up. We all knew him well, and he knew none of us were law breakers, so the encounter wasn't unpleasant, but he told us he had just busted about 20 hunters and the landowner for hunting a baited field. We weren't in any trouble and he let us keep the birds we had shot, but he told us not to hunt this place for at least a couple of weeks. I don't think it went very well for that landowner because as far as I know, he hasn't leased his place since then. so FAKE NEWS Agree with HWY_MAN. People on other property are not the ones hunting over baited area's
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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do people not understand that most wardens check with local feed stores to see who has bought "excessive" amounts of milo close to Sept..?? Heard they are using Bitcoin now for purchases. Straight cash homey. Too much DNA left behind. What are you doing to the milo?!
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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My friend Harlon Winters , who had a dog training place outside of Burnet, had a neighbor about 2-3 miles down the road. The guy dumped most of a dump truck of milo/grain into his fields to attract doves. None of the neighbors had any doves , they were all going to the buffet at this guy's place. So the neighbors turned him in to the game warden. Harlon drove up to his place ( 3 miles away from the grain) and there was a sign on his gate declaring no hunting on this property because of the grain down the road. The next year the guy did not put out the grain The 3rd year he did and no one turned him in because they could not hunt on their property if they did. The law of unintended consequences.
Experienced something similar myself about 15 years ago. A friend had a place we regularly hunted that was a natural dove flyway. We would go there early afternoon and catch the birds going to feed, then pack up and go somewhere else around 5:00 if we hadn't finished our limits. There was a big sunflower field two places over (maybe a mile away) that the birds were going to. That landowner also day leased for dove hunting. Totally unbeknownst to us, he had "supplemented" his usual sunflower field one year when the sunflowers didn't make many seeds with a couple of thousand pounds of wheat. We were hunting our usual spots and could hear the lease hunters banging away, but then they completely stopped shooting really early. We were about finished ourselves when the local GW rolled up. We all knew him well, and he knew none of us were law breakers, so the encounter wasn't unpleasant, but he told us he had just busted about 20 hunters and the landowner for hunting a baited field. We weren't in any trouble and he let us keep the birds we had shot, but he told us not to hunt this place for at least a couple of weeks. I don't think it went very well for that landowner because as far as I know, he hasn't leased his place since then. Was this in Indian Gap, TX? No, it was in Coryell County. For the next couple of years I saw federal game wardens poking around, but haven't seen them since.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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So if there is grain, nobody in 3 (or more?) miles can hunt? does it make a differance if its HF ? HF isn't hunting so it doesnt apply
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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Dang. 3 miles in each direction is 36 sqare miles. An unreasonable GW.
Maybe I’m wrong but isn’t square miles length x width? So 3x3=9 square miles. Still ridiculous amount. I know a guy out here that got caught a few years ago and the GW at the time put everything outside the field in question of limits for 200 yards. I thought that was ok. I do have a good friend in Waller Tx that leases a good place for doves and the rancher next door did this exact same thing and called the GW. The GW showed up wrote them all tickets even though the milo was not on the property they were hunting but across a fence. They we totally unaware of it. Also put that field limits for that year. My friend is in hunting business like me and he fought the ticket. Hired a lawyer even. The judge did not kick the ticket made him pay it a cost of the court. That is verifiable if anyone wants to search the court records in whatever county Waller is in. Happened about 5 years ago.
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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3 miles each direction is 6x6 so 36 miles... but drawn from a center it is pi r squared would be 28 miles sq.
Someone should try the civil court route on a neighbor that baits...
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Re: Why baiting doves works
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I would visit with a warden in the area. We had a situation like this once and the warden told us where we could hunt. It is very difficult with the way it is written.
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