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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 12:42 AM
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Bushnell LRHS 4.5-18x44mm. 30mm tube
Has an illuminated red dot reticle in addition to fancy long range style reticle.
$900.00 .... bushnell?
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 12:44 AM
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Step out of 1987 and listen since this is your lifetime gun. Your current scopes pretty much suck for glass and mechanicals
In the 2x10 world you can land around 20 oz
The next mid range stuff that you’re wanting will weigh 26-30 oz. 30 oz is a chunk.
And pretty much up from there in weight.
I spent more hours than believable scope hunting for filet taste and a sirloin budget. I am working on 3 builds right now. All 3 are handy midweights. I can easily make them top heavy but I’m trying to keep them balanced.
Your nicest glass and low weight is in the Leupold line , but if you have to spin a dial who knows if it will be on. I know you’re in 1987, but why not buy something that eliminates chances of your scope being knocked off? Especially on mountain hunts you go on.
You need to think about turrets because your south Texas sea level isn’t your Colorado sea level.
Find a Japanese made scope and go. NF,NF shv, swfa, Bushnell elite. One of those will have a usable reticle and glass will be better than any of the sucky glass you have.
Make your gun the best you can do, especially if this is he last you’ll buy supposedly I agree on having to spin a dial.....that's why i'm not a fan of adjustable turrets....hence my using Kentucky windage on longer shots. And i'm trying to bring things back to 77'
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 12:49 AM
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You an still get a LRHSi 3-18x from GAP for $750. A steal. I also have a 2-12x VX6 CDS that has been dead nutz on the money on my 7mag for 4 years now. Was going to send him the link but it looks like they gone
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 12:58 AM
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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle? my plan to hit stuff that far? Kentucky windage is what I've been using. Worked out pretty good so far Ok. I'm out. I hope you don't have to track them too far, if at all. I haven’t lost or even tracked a western/northern game animal in 2 decades of hunting them. It’s not hard at all to be accurate with a duplex reticle at 400 and under. Same here.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:07 AM
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Step out of 1987 and listen since this is your lifetime gun. Your current scopes pretty much suck for glass and mechanicals
In the 2x10 world you can land around 20 oz
The next mid range stuff that you’re wanting will weigh 26-30 oz. 30 oz is a chunk.
And pretty much up from there in weight.
I spent more hours than believable scope hunting for filet taste and a sirloin budget. I am working on 3 builds right now. All 3 are handy midweights. I can easily make them top heavy but I’m trying to keep them balanced.
Your nicest glass and low weight is in the Leupold line , but if you have to spin a dial who knows if it will be on. I know you’re in 1987, but why not buy something that eliminates chances of your scope being knocked off? Especially on mountain hunts you go on.
You need to think about turrets because your south Texas sea level isn’t your Colorado sea level.
Find a Japanese made scope and go. NF,NF shv, swfa, Bushnell elite. One of those will have a usable reticle and glass will be better than any of the sucky glass you have.
Make your gun the best you can do, especially if this is he last you’ll buy supposedly I agree on having to spin a dial.....that's why i'm not a fan of adjustable turrets....hence my using Kentucky windage on longer shots. And i'm trying to bring things back to 77' With a rig like that I'd probably go Leopold maybe Zeiss 12 to 14 power tops. Shoot the damn reticle you want, I like a clean set of cross hairs myself. Managed to hunt for well over 50 years without all that crap crowding up the scope.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:12 AM
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without all that crap crowding up the scope. Did you tell those Snipers that came out to your ranch that?
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:15 AM
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My mountain rifle wears a Leupold VX3 4.5-14x 40mm. I used 2.8-8x or 3.5-10x scopes for years due to the weight, but scope weights have come down significantly. It’s not necessary, but I do like having the extra magnification available.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:16 AM
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without all that crap crowding up the scope. Did you tell those Snipers that came out to your ranch that? The subject here is hunting at 400 yards and under. The subject here is hunting at 400 yards and under. The subject here is hunting at 400 yards and under. Your implication that he was going to miss or wound animals at those ranges with a duplex reticle was not only pure , it was a totally unnecessary cheap shot. This is not a long range or sniper thread.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:23 AM
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without all that crap crowding up the scope. Did you tell those Snipers that came out to your ranch that? I'm not a sniper nor do I try or claim to be, I'm a hunter. Not sure what that comment has to do with this subject, he's building a nice 400 yard rifle, not playing sniper.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:25 AM
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This is not a long range or sniper thread. That's going to fall on deaf ears, he's stuck in his own world.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:29 AM
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My mountain rifle wears a Leupold VX3 4.5-14x 40mm. I used 2.8-8x or 3.5-10x scopes for years due to the weight, but scope weights have come down significantly. It’s not necessary, but I do like having the extra magnification available. the sizes now you get another 6-8x in the same size scope
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:32 AM
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VX-5 HD. Beautiful glass and the firedot I love. I have the VX-6 HD and as of yet do not second guess it. If the VX-5 I wanted was in stock that day I still would not have spent the extra $$ on the VX-6.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:33 AM
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I go with a Leupold vx3. They are light weight and very good glass. You can also order a calibrated turett cap for for your ammo of you choice.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:34 AM
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My mountain rifle wears a Leupold VX3 4.5-14x 40mm. I used 2.8-8x or 3.5-10x scopes for years due to the weight, but scope weights have come down significantly. It’s not necessary, but I do like having the extra magnification available. the sizes now you get another 6-8x in the same size scope Yes. I usually keep it on 6 or 7x in open country. If everything is all settled and relaxed, I will often find the animal in the scope using the larger FOV of the lower setting and dial him on up closer for the shot.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:35 AM
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With my 300WM I would have to "Kentucky" ~26" or 6.25 moa at 400 yards.
I'd rather have the ability to dial that or use a reticle than hold it and that's not even accounting for wind.
That said, I don't think Firemans comments are off base. 2 decades and never tracked an animal is probably more off base, unless you didn't shoot anything in that time.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:40 AM
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What's you plan for 300 to 400 yards with a duplex reticle? my plan to hit stuff that far? Kentucky windage is what I've been using. Worked out pretty good so far Ok. I'm out. I hope you don't have to track them too far, if at all. I have BDC type reticles on one of my rifles. to be honest I never used them....if the bullet drop comes into play I hold a tad high and let it rip. sounds stupid but it has been working. last year had to make a shot in a heavy quartering wind (don't know what the wind speed was but it was blowing my costas around on the ground) i'm guessing 30mph, target was 200 yards give or take. held into the wind at the point of the shoulder and bullet hit where I wanted it too in the crease along the foreleg. I know its extremely unscientific and probably not the best way considering todays technology but I've had an ability to make running shots and to accurately judge holdover. I would love to learn to better use drop reticles though. I think its a great tool to have. If you know how much bullet drop you're up against and you know the approximate size of your target, a good hit at 300 or 400 yards shouldn't be all that difficult. For example, if I was shooting at a volleyball and I knew I had five inches of drop I would hold on the top edge of it and nail it just about dead center. It ain't rocket science.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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06/23/18 01:46 AM
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With my 300WM I would have to "Kentucky" ~26" or 6.25 moa at 400 yards.
I'd rather have the ability to dial that or use a reticle than hold it and that's not even accounting for wind.
That said, I don't think Firemans comments are off base. 2 decades and never tracked an animal is probably more off base, unless you didn't shoot anything in that time. I limited that comment to my western/northern hunts, of which there have been 12-15 during that time. I have tracked several whitetails at my place in east TX. Usually not too far, but it is much thicker there. You don’t know me or what I’ve shot, so please be careful calling me a liar. Oh, BTW, the only reason your drop is that much is because your sight in is 100 yards (I presume for dialing or holding with the right reticle purposes). Sight in for a PB of 250-300 and your 400 holdover will be a piece of cake. It’s a technique us old geezer duplex users take advantage of. Makes things simple. And yes, his comments were both off base and uncalled for. Some can shoot just fine at moderate ranges without dialing, spider-web reticles, and charts taped to our stocks. Everyone can if they get out of the LR mindset.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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Guess I'm different... 300-400 yards big game hunting I don't "need" more than 10x. I don't "need" over 6x...
For a dead nuts dialer, I am going with something known to be reliable. For a point-and-shoot for sub-400 yards, it would be something similar to a Leupold with B&C (or similar) reticle with VERIFIED aiming points.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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I never tell anyone what kind of scope I use, I'd probably get made fun of.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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without all that crap crowding up the scope. Did you tell those Snipers that came out to your ranch that? I'm not a sniper nor do I try or claim to be, I'm a hunter. Not sure what that comment has to do with this subject, he's building a nice 400 yard rifle, not playing sniper. So 400 yards is different when shooting at an elk? I was under the impression physics did not care. Physics meaning gravity, and wind drift.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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This is not a long range or sniper thread. That's going to fall on deaf ears, he's stuck in his own world. Yup. Reality. Evidently I am short of company.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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Guess I'm different... 300-400 yards big game hunting I don't "need" more than 10x. I don't "need" over 6x...
For a dead nuts dialer, I am going with something known to be reliable. For a point-and-shoot for sub-400 yards, it would be something similar to a Leupold with B&C (or similar) reticle with VERIFIED aiming points. I need a hell of a lot more than 6x for my hunting. I don’t even like my 3x9’s anymore after hunting with a 4x16
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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without all that crap crowding up the scope. Did you tell those Snipers that came out to your ranch that? I'm not a sniper nor do I try or claim to be, I'm a hunter. Not sure what that comment has to do with this subject, he's building a nice 400 yard rifle, not playing sniper. So 400 yards is different when shooting at an elk? I was under the impression physics did not care. Physics meaning gravity, and wind drift. Sight in 3” high at 100 and you don’t even need to hold off hair on an elk at 400 with a .300 Win Mag. As said above, it ain’t rocket science. Wind drift is wind drift - has to be accounted for and is an artful estimation no matter the reticle used.
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Re: My forever rifle is here!....now which scope?
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With my 300WM I would have to "Kentucky" ~26" or 6.25 moa at 400 yards.
I'd rather have the ability to dial that or use a reticle than hold it and that's not even accounting for wind.
That said, I don't think Firemans comments are off base. 2 decades and never tracked an animal is probably more off base, unless you didn't shoot anything in that time. 200 yard zero my 180 grain accubonds will be 19” low at 400. 6 1/2” low at 300. Those are easy numbers. My .257 wby is only 12” low at 400. I’ll take a lot more 200 yard shots than 400 yards. Aside from coyotes and stuff I’ve only taken one shot approaching 400 yards and because of the angle I was shooting over the animal. I don’t like shooting stuff at long range. Too much stuff can happen. A 400 yard shot for me is a worst case scenario for me where there is no choice to get closer. I’m a 200-300 yard guy and most of my animals have been killed at 200 yards or less
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