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 Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
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02/01/18 02:56 AM
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 Let’s talk about the ballistic calculator onboard the scope What caliber is the actor shooting and what size is the target? What bullet weight is being shot (drag function and ballistic coefficient) at what muzzle velocity? What is the scope sight height? Range to target is 187 yards Realitive humidity is 75% and wind speed is 2.3 mph from 5 o’clock position the scope adjusted THE POINT OF IMPACT UP 8.2” and RIGHT 4.1”This would seem to adjust POINT OF AIM down and left... Analysis: I’m no ballistic genius BUT I do my shooting in the field and not in a lab so..... The gun is zeroed at 187 yards , how is a 2.3 mph wind going to result in a 8.2” shift in elevation !?!?!? Even the 4.1” windage is somewhat suspect but let’s assume it’s a light bullet The point of impact scale doesn’t seem to correlate to the values either What would be the point of impact correction of a 15 mph 5 o’clock wind? 50 inches at 187 yards ? By the way Sachal - I don’t expect you to know the answer to the above question but surely I expect you know who to ask for the answer - please take your time ... And tell DeeZ I said Hi 
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
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02/01/18 02:59 AM
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This escalated quickly. Can somebody tell me who sachal is? Seems like there’s some history here. I’m relatively new, so please excuse my ignorance sachal is an ATN factory rep who alienated a whole lot of people when the first release of X-Sights first hit the fields. Lots of bad karma between him and many Forum members. I suggest you grab your popcorn and sit quietly on the sidelines as there are no winners in this ongoing debate.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
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02/01/18 03:00 AM
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Between the first x-sight Bomb and this thread and Sachal still works for atn is amazing it speaks volumes for that company he does get a lot of crap but really all he had to say was WAIT AND SEE and that’s it nothing else this thread would have been done
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: Pig_Popper]
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02/01/18 03:19 AM
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Let’s talk about the ballistic calculator onboard the scope What caliber is the actor shooting and what size is the target? What bullet weight is being shot (drag function and ballistic coefficient) at what muzzle velocity? What is the scope sight height? Range to target is 187 yards Realitive humidity is 75% and wind speed is 2.3 mph from 5 o’clock position the scope adjusted THE POINT OF IMPACT UP 8.2” and RIGHT 4.1”This would seem to adjust POINT OF AIM down and left... Analysis: I’m no ballistic genius BUT I do my shooting in the field and not in a lab so..... The gun is zeroed at 187 yards , how is a 2.3 mph wind going to result in a 8.2” shift in elevation !?!?!? Even the 4.1” windage is somewhat suspect but let’s assume it’s a light bullet The point of impact scale doesn’t seem to correlate to the values either What would be the point of impact correction of a 15 mph 5 o’clock wind? 50 inches at 187 yards ? By the way Sachal - I don’t expect you to know the answer to the above question but surely I expect you know who to ask for the answer - please take your time ... And tell DeeZ I said Hi And who would that be? Again, you are desperately trying to prove yourself to me. Lol just stop, it's getting sad now.
ATN Corporation, USA The Future of Optics www.atncorp.comPlease note: I do not read private messages here.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: KK30RAR]
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02/01/18 03:21 AM
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Between the first x-sight Bomb and this thread and Sachal still works for atn is amazing it speaks volumes for that company he does get a lot of crap but really all he had to say was WAIT AND SEE and that’s it nothing else this thread would have been done And let you guys gang up on one guy who is trying to just share information. I know u and this clique u are part of.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: Pig_Popper]
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02/01/18 03:26 AM
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Let’s talk about the ballistic calculator onboard the scope What caliber is the actor shooting and what size is the target? What bullet weight is being shot (drag function and ballistic coefficient) at what muzzle velocity? What is the scope sight height? Range to target is 187 yards Realitive humidity is 75% and wind speed is 2.3 mph from 5 o’clock position the scope adjusted THE POINT OF IMPACT UP 8.2” and RIGHT 4.1”This would seem to adjust POINT OF AIM down and left... Analysis: I’m no ballistic genius BUT I do my shooting in the field and not in a lab so..... The gun is zeroed at 187 yards , how is a 2.3 mph wind going to result in a 8.2” shift in elevation !?!?!? Even the 4.1” windage is somewhat suspect but let’s assume it’s a light bullet The point of impact scale doesn’t seem to correlate to the values either What would be the point of impact correction of a 15 mph 5 o’clock wind? 50 inches at 187 yards ? By the way Sachal - I don’t expect you to know the answer to the above question but surely I expect you know who to ask for the answer - please take your time ... And tell DeeZ I said Hi I dont pretend to be something I am not, but can hire the right people for the right job.
ATN Corporation, USA The Future of Optics www.atncorp.comPlease note: I do not read private messages here.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: mikei]
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02/01/18 03:27 AM
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This escalated quickly. Can somebody tell me who sachal is? Seems like there’s some history here. I’m relatively new, so please excuse my ignorance sachal is an ATN factory rep who alienated a whole lot of people when the first release of X-Sights first hit the fields. Lots of bad karma between him and many Forum members. I suggest you grab your popcorn and sit quietly on the sidelines as there are no winners in this ongoing debate. If it's anything like the last couple of years, please I want more of it.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
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02/01/18 04:14 AM
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I’ll be curious to see if ATN corporate has a response to an email about the unprofessionalism of their representative. I’m not talking about jt
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: SachalATN]
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02/01/18 04:27 AM
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And tell DeeZ I said Hi And who would that be? DeeZ Nuts!!!!! 
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: Pig_Popper]
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02/01/18 04:27 AM
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And tell DeeZ I said Hi And who would that be? DeeZ Nuts!!!!! Good God he fell for it
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 04:50 AM
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Send me one. I have one already but convince me not to buy pulsar. I know my scope will not do what that rig will and this one is not thermal but lets get an honest opinion. I bought an X sight II due to cost obviously. I can hunt hogs 7 days a week at night and Firemans range is an hour away. We will test it and give you an honest review of the product I guarantee you that. Show me why I should not spend $4k
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: SapperTitan]
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02/01/18 06:05 AM
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And tell DeeZ I said Hi And who would that be? DeeZ Nuts!!!!! Good God he fell for it Bcz I usually don't associate with personal of such great calibre
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TFF Caribou]
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02/01/18 06:07 AM
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I’ll be curious to see if ATN corporate has a response to an email about the unprofessionalism of their representative. I’m not talking about jt So if someone stands up to you guys, u guys get offended?
ATN Corporation, USA The Future of Optics www.atncorp.comPlease note: I do not read private messages here.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 06:14 AM
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Offer is still standing Sachal...
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 08:35 AM
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This is downright pitiful.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 01:06 PM
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Most large companies have social media certifications to prevent their employees from acting like this.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 02:25 PM
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Damn. Y’all giving this poor guy hell
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 02:46 PM
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If you knew the history, you'd understand.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 02:47 PM
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 03:45 PM
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: Midwaytmm]
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02/01/18 04:20 PM
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Damn. Y’all giving this poor guy hell This isn't ganging up. This is a fellow walking around with a "Kick Me!" sign on his back.
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
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02/01/18 04:33 PM
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Damn. Y’all giving this poor guy hell This isn't ganging up. This is a fellow walking around with a "Kick Me!" sign on his back. While insulting everyone and being an obnoxious
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: SachalATN]
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02/01/18 11:03 PM
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This escalated quickly. Can somebody tell me who sachal is? Seems like there’s some history here. I’m relatively new, so please excuse my ignorance sachal is an ATN factory rep who alienated a whole lot of people when the first release of X-Sights first hit the fields. Lots of bad karma between him and many Forum members. I suggest you grab your popcorn and sit quietly on the sidelines as there are no winners in this ongoing debate. I take it, based on this statement, that the ATN organization views the previous X-Sight products as an overwhelming success... Are you sure you guys are looking at the facts/data correctly OR are you all choosing to see what you want to believe as truth?
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
[Re: TXGH]
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02/01/18 11:26 PM
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I hope the ballistic calculation software is rock solid in this 3rd Generation Xsight are there failsafes built in to prevent bad data inputs that wouldn’t be considered reasonable values or within tolerances? For example if a shooter means to input 5 mph crosswind but accidentally enters 55 mph crosswind - will the scope warn the shooter that the offset is outside the scopes adjustment range? An accident avoidance feature would be a good idea... I realize ATN can’t prevent minor shooter entry errors but such a highly sophisticated scope could bring an overwhelming challenge to new shooters... I could easily envision a shooter inputting a miscalculated value of bullet weight and missing by a good distance...
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Re: NEW ATN X-Sight 4K Pro - First look with James Munn
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02/04/18 11:24 PM
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Real question, can you fit the new thor or the new x sight into a one piece QD mount like a Larue or Bobro? Or do you have to use rings, etc?
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