After all this back and forth, I do believe that my question got answered. And it all made sense to my inquiring Engineering brain.

Now, on to Hornady...how do we KNOW that the plastic tips were melting. And was it just their plastic, or Nosler’s also? What independent tester proved the Tips were melting? Chuck Norris could catch one in his teeth, so maybe he needs to verify Hornady’s claims.

It is not about MV it is about time of flight, the longer the bullet flies the hotter it gets due to friction.

Supposedly they detected a decaying BC using a Lab Radar or something.

I believe they claimed Nolser's were melting too. Meanwhile, the hunting world continues to kill things with with Ballistic Tips and Accubonds.

That's not what Hornady said when Chad called them.

Big Doppler Radar.
Higher end than us mortals can afford.

I know for a fact they don't with a mv of 2800ish at 1k. I picked up several at my target.

Nope. They just cooled off before you could get to them.

^^Yup, they didn't leave fast enough to melt off.

I need someone down range to watch me splash a .22 cal 75 gr A-Max, and recover it. Out of my .22-250 they have an MV of 3200 fps.

definitely not knocking any calibers especially the 6mm creed.

are you introducing us to your new baby at Jason's?

and yes on my crappy little .233

my ELDs melted when I held the tip over a scented Christmas candle

Well that is what the guys in the basement range told me when I asked in person.

So I guess dee shooting them 1000 yards was not enough of a flight time. Looks like Hornady employees aren't all on the same page.

+2, and it's not even arguable.

Yeah, the melting tip campaign is laughable.

I debated getting some 80gr eld to try in my 22 creed at around 3400 plus but think the 90gr berger going that fast will be to tough to beat.

So I guess dee shooting them 1000 yards was not enough of a flight time. Looks like Hornady employees aren't all on the same page. [/quote]

To ring in the New Year I went to Hornady webpage and read the article of the ELD series. In summary it is a matter of high B.C. bullets .550 and up melting conventional tips due to aerodynamic heating experienced by retained velocity during flight time. Thus the reason we do not see .22 cal 55gr ELD bullets only the 80gr and the continued production of the .30 cal 168gr AMAX, these do not retain enough velocity over the flight time to melt.

If you want to read the whole thing.
https://www.hornady.com/heat-shield

To ring in the New Year I went to Hornady webpage and read the article of the ELD series. In summary it is a matter of high B.C. bullets .550 and up melting conventional tips due to aerodynamic heating experienced by retained velocity during flight time. Thus the reason we do not see .22 cal 55gr ELD bullets only the 80gr and the continued production of the .30 cal 168gr AMAX, these do not retain enough velocity over the flight time to melt.

If you want to read the whole thing.
https://www.hornady.com/heat-shield
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I ran 162gr amax which was replaced by the eld m/x.

I ran 162gr amax which was replaced by the eld m/x. [/quote]

Dee do not know if you read the article but that bullet is discussed as one that did not exhibit excessive change in the drag curve due to melting tip, small variation, but I guess it was enough to warrant the shift.

I haven’t missed a shot on a game animal in a while, but if I do i’m gonna blame on the bullet tip melting.

Dee do not know if you read the article but that bullet is discussed as one that did not exhibit excessive change in the drag curve due to melting tip, small variation, but I guess it was enough to warrant the shift.[/quote]

Read it.
Looks like whomever told Chad it required a certain MV was wrong. The article mentions a 50 gr V-Max at 3700 fps having no change.

Dee do not know if you read the article but that bullet is discussed as one that did not exhibit excessive change in the drag curve due to melting tip, small variation, but I guess it was enough to warrant the shift. [/quote]

Haven't read it in a good while but if tof is a factor I should have experienced it. Was running them fairly slow at times down to 2600fps. Also have noticed zero difference of any kind between 162gr Amax and the 162gr ELDM.

If you remember a couple of years ago I said, once I find some 162 A-Max I'm buying a couple thousand. Well, I did, and still have a good supply. I have no intention of selling them to replace them with ELD-M or ELD-X. I'll just shoot them, then move over.

I still got at least 300 amax. Going to experiment with 150gr eldx when the new tube gets spun up.

I've got a box of those as well. I've got 50 pieces of 7mm-08 A.I. brass loaded with 162's. When those get shot, the brass will get cleaned, and annealed. I'll see what I see on how they shoot, then decide with bullet to commit to, for that rifle, 162's at 2640 fps, or the 150's at ???