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Re: Allowing deer recovery [Re: gusick] #7015275 12/29/17 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: gusick
I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


No. It’s about allowing neighbors to track deer that have gone from their property to yours.

If neighbors were shooting too many deer, a limited draw wouldn’t fix that. Not in this state, anyway. There’s too many deer in the state, as a whole, and the neighbor problem occurs in isolated areas.

Re: Allowing deer recovery [Re: maximus_flavius] #7015290 12/29/17 03:22 AM
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My family has property. I have one neighbor that I would deny access to recover a deer. This guy has his feeder 20 yards off the fence line. His blind is 75 yards off the fence line. Therefore, if he shoots toward his feeder, he's shooting toward our property. I would much rather him put that blind on the fence line and shoot back into his lease rather that toward me.

Re: Allowing deer recovery [Re: CharlieCTx] #7015297 12/29/17 03:28 AM
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I don't know. I have hunted in TX for 10 years now and still think it's kinda strange.

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Originally Posted By: JacobHerman
I don't know. I have hunted in TX for 10 years now and still think it's kinda strange.


What part is strange?

Allowing / helping a neighbor recover a deer on your property or refusing entry to recover game.

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Originally Posted By: gusick
I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


That is a problem also, in many places. & your correct, a draw system will 1 day be necessary.

7 million deer in Texas? Is that just WT? There's 28 million people in Texas. There's more hunters than deer

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Re: Allowing deer recovery [Re: maximus_flavius] #7015323 12/29/17 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
Originally Posted By: gusick
I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


That is a problem also, in many places. & your correct, a draw system will 1 day be necessary.

7 million deer in Texas? Is that just WT? There's 28 million people in Texas. There's more hunters than deer



Not everyone hunts and not every hunter kills something. The deer herd is growing, so....

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Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
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I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


That is a problem also, in many places. & your correct, a draw system will 1 day be necessary.

7 million deer in Texas? Is that just WT? There's 28 million people in Texas. There's more hunters than deer



Only 1.2 million hunting licenses sold. Not all of them will hunt deer.


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Re: Allowing deer recovery [Re: dogcatcher] #7015325 12/29/17 03:55 AM
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I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


That is a problem also, in many places. & your correct, a draw system will 1 day be necessary.

7 million deer in Texas? Is that just WT? There's 28 million people in Texas. There's more hunters than deer



Only 1.2 million hunting licenses sold. Not all of them will hunt deer.

And even fewer will take a deer. Self included. bang


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Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.

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I don't know. I have hunted in TX for 10 years now and still think it's kinda strange.


What part is strange?

Allowing / helping a neighbor recover a deer on your property or refusing entry to recover game.


I was replying to hunting with a blind over a feeder to my earlier post

Re: Allowing deer recovery [Re: maximus_flavius] #7015424 12/29/17 07:31 AM
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Then don't use a blind or feeder, many folks don't, no regulations saying you have to.

What's strange is putting a blind over a feeder, what do you do, shoot through trap doors in the floor.

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Originally Posted By: JacobHerman
I don't know. I have hunted in TX for 10 years now and still think it's kinda strange.


"You're not from Texas, but Texas wants you anyway." - Lyle Lovett


...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
Re: Allowing deer recovery [Re: dogcatcher] #7015462 12/29/17 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: gusick
I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


That is a problem also, in many places. & your correct, a draw system will 1 day be necessary.

7 million deer in Texas? Is that just WT? There's 28 million people in Texas. There's more hunters than deer



Only 1.2 million hunting licenses sold. Not all of them will hunt deer.


& not all 7 miliion deer would be legal.

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& not all 7 miliion deer would be legal.


That number is simply speculation and I don't have much faith in it. As far as I know the state has never done a legitimize survey of this county so what those numbers are based on needs to be known.


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& not all 7 miliion deer would be legal.


That number is simply speculation and I don't have much faith in it. As far as I know the state has never done a legitimize survey of this county so what those numbers are based on needs to be known.


It’s pretty widely used, but I’m not vouching for it as exact. I am pretty sure TP&W has some methodology behind it - but I don’t know what it is and don’t care to research it. Annual harvest runs around 700,000 and populations have been stable to increasing for awhile now.

My point is I don’t think the WT population is in any imminent danger in TX. I’m sure there are localized areas that vary from the overall trend.


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I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


That is a problem also, in many places. & your correct, a draw system will 1 day be necessary.

7 million deer in Texas? Is that just WT? There's 28 million people in Texas. There's more hunters than deer



Only 1.2 million hunting licenses sold. Not all of them will hunt deer.

And even fewer will take a deer. Self included. bang


...and even fewer yet will set up a stand on a fence line.

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Letting someone retrieve a wounded deer that crosses my line is a NO BRAINER. Call me and I'll help. Been there done that several times!!!! Setting up on my line is like having someone look over my shoulder at the ATM to see my pin I can't stop you but it sure doesn't feel right. Based on some of the comments I reckon some of ya'll have no problem posting your pins!!!!!

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Originally Posted By: maximus_flavius
Originally Posted By: gusick
I may have misunderstood everyone else. I thought the common complaint was neighbors shooting too many deer.


That is a problem also, in many places. & your correct, a draw system will 1 day be necessary.

7 million deer in Texas? Is that just WT? There's 28 million people in Texas. There's more hunters than deer



TPWD says less than 1.5 million licenses sold, so not more hunters than deer. Even if all bagged their limit in a given year (which doesn't happen), there would still be deer left over for the first year.

BTW, it is about 3.6 million whitetail in Texas, 200K mule deer, and only about 700K whitetail and 22K mule deer taken in 2013.
https://wildlife.tamu.edu/wildlifemanagement/deer/

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I would allow it, if they asked permission. The only condition would be, I would like to see where the deer was originally shot, that would answer the question about his hunting ethics. If they were shooting into my property, that is where the problem would be.

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I would allow it, if they asked permission. The only condition would be, I would like to see where the deer was originally shot, that would answer the question about his hunting ethics. If they were shooting into my property, that is where the problem would be.


What if it was 2 ft inside their fence, & had just came from your place?

At that point, why even have a fence? Why not just allow people to shoot over your fence & save them having to wait 2 minutes?

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I would allow it, if they asked permission. The only condition would be, I would like to see where the deer was originally shot, that would answer the question about his hunting ethics. If they were shooting into my property, that is where the problem would be.


What if it was 2 ft inside their fence, & had just came from your place?

At that point, why even have a fence? Why not just allow people to shoot over your fence & save them having to wait 2 minutes?


I would take the guys word for it and let him look. The fence is there to keep cattle on my side of the fence.


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They can't shoot a deer that just came from your place?

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I would allow it, if they asked permission. The only condition would be, I would like to see where the deer was originally shot, that would answer the question about his hunting ethics. If they were shooting into my property, that is where the problem would be.


What if it was 2 ft inside their fence, & had just came from your place?

At that point, why even have a fence? Why not just allow people to shoot over your fence & save them having to wait 2 minutes?


I would take the guys word for it and let him look. The fence is there to keep cattle on my side of the fence.


Awesome. I'm guessing you've never dealt with poachers or trespassers?

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Originally Posted By: gusick
They can't shoot a deer that just came from your place?


Who said that? Some people here are great at strawman arguments.

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