It’s an article, a snap shot, I’ve read four articles that all state different things. Everyone is giving notes... let’s wait until it published and reviewed. Only info I have found is video of the conference

http://www.myewa.org/blog/fake-chronic-wasting-disease-cwd/

but where would we ever find someone capable of doing that?

yeah, go ask the king ranch to do it. They have a staff biologist on every single lease they have, as well as several biologists at the main ranch.

hmmmmmmm wonder why they don't want to know if they have CWD????????????

the state has done fairly significant testing, and come up with very few deer that are infected. For such a "severe" problem, you'd think we'd see a higher percentage of infected deer.

I have never heard of this. Exactly what comprises "best available practices for containment"?

This disease has been in deer we eat for over half a century (that we know of). There is absolutely no reason to believe that it hasn't been around as long as deer and man.

It has never been found in humans after over half a century of known consumption.

YET!!! Anthrax is known to be deadly to humans. It's also known to be many times more virulent and easily transferred animal to animal. And infinitely more virulent and easily transferred animal to human than cwd.

And no uproar and global panic over anthrax.....

Gee. I wonder why???

I'd really like some of you folks who are concerned about human susceptibility to cwd to respond to the above post.

Pitchfork Predator that is correct. that is why i was so excited in my post about the update on the potential for a live blood test. no one else seems excited, and would rather rant about what i said or did not say now... http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/12/chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-tse-prion.html


kind regards, terry

Why don’t you address my post Terry?

He will post a link here shortly

Only if it was sent through the mail

didn't Lewis and Clark record some mule deer acting like deer do with the final stages of CWD on their historic adventure.

If these Prions can be on ground or grass, could the spread be through food sources hauled around the country, like alfalfa hay from an infected area shipped around the country?

That question is for you Flounder, I have read a lot of your posts but have to say not all.

in short...yes, i think it is possible, whether uptake of plant itself of the PrP, or just on top of plant itself from exposure from say feces, urine, or blood or shedding of skin, antler velvet. i wrote about this in the cases in Norway, and one potential route of the cwd tse prion agent there. that would be my long version.

ruminant protein and risk factors there from with TSE Prion disease, but we missed the rest of the feed i.e. FEED GRAINS. YES, science has shown in the past, and now recently, the shedding of the CWD TSE Prion into the environment is indeed a risk factor, and for all the grains and such that goes into feed, even hay, hell, Norway does not require any APHIS-Veterinary Services certification for the import of hay/straw. see for yourself ;

Hay/Straw

Norway does not require any APHIS-Veterinary Services certification for the import of hay/straw.

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/regulations/vs/iregs/products/downloads/no_hs.pdf

you add up all the other grains in feed, and then wonder about potential exposure to the CWD TSE PRION from cervid and risk factor from the CWD there from via shedding or right down to the soil these grains were grown in, and you have a world of problems. see ;

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/07/norway-reports-third-case-chronic.html

***Recently, we have been using PMCA to study the role of environmental prion contamination on the horizontal spreading of TSEs. These experiments have focused on the study of the interaction of prions with plants and environmentally relevant surfaces. Our results show that plants (both leaves and roots) bind tightly to prions present in brain extracts and excreta (urine and feces) and retain even small quantities of PrPSc for long periods of time. Strikingly, ingestion of prioncontaminated leaves and roots produced disease with a 100% attack rate and an incubation period not substantially longer than feeding animals directly with scrapie brain homogenate. Furthermore, plants can uptake prions from contaminated soil and transport them to different parts of the plant tissue (stem and leaves). Similarly, prions bind tightly to a variety of environmentally relevant surfaces, including stones, wood, metals, plastic, glass, cement, etc. Prion contaminated surfaces efficiently transmit prion disease when these materials were directly injected into the brain of animals and strikingly when the contaminated surfaces were just placed in the animal cage. These findings demonstrate that environmental materials can efficiently bind infectious prions and act as carriers of infectivity, suggesting that they may play an important role in the horizontal transmission of the disease.

https://prion2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/programguide1.pdf

see other studies in this long winded post here;

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/04/declaration-of-extraordinary-emergency.html


kind regards, terry

i kindly disagree with you there therancher. give cwd long enough, and see what happens with these shooting pens. i remember well in Iowa, where cwd was found in captive deer, and when at first only a case or two had been documented, while waiting for the courts go though the process, i was on a game farm board, and i watched as these deer farmers rallied around the owners, where the owners argued and litigated that their herds were perfectly healthy, photos posted showed these pretty deer, and the court battle went. while this different posts were made on this forum for game farms, and more and more folks, fellow game farmers, some hunters, were all suggested different things, like 'Let's just take the fence down and let them loose.' or 'That would bring the news. If 100 deer farmers showed up and started taking the fence down. I think another great idea would be to take all the staples out but one then as soon as they fired the first killing shot with all the media present let it go. They will knock that last staple out.' oh there's more, much more, with farmers hitting the like button. the litigation went on, the thread went on, i forget how long, a year or two, finally, the courts cleared the way, the herd was tested, and while all the farmers were hatching out a plan to let those cervid go, the cwd infection rate kept growing. by the time the testing was done;

*** TEST RESULTS FROM CAPTIVE DEER HERD WITH CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE RELEASED 79.8 percent of the deer tested positive for the disease

DES MOINES – The Iowa Department of Agriculture and Land Stewardship today announced that the test results from the depopulation of a quarantined captive deer herd in north-central Iowa showed that 284 of the 356 deer, or 79.8% of the herd, tested positive for Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD).

http://www.iowaagriculture.gov/press/2014press/press10022014.asp

*** see history of this CWD blunder here ;

http://www.iowadnr.gov/Portals/idnr/uploads/Hunting/070313_consent_order.pdf

On June 5, 2013, DNR conducted a fence inspection, after gaining approval from surrounding landowners, and confirmed that the fenced had been cut or removed in at least four separate locations; that the fence had degraded and was failing to maintain the enclosure around the Quarantined Premises in at least one area; that at least three gates had been opened;and that deer tracks were visible in and around one of the open areas in the sand on both sides of the fence, evidencing movement of deer into the Quarantined Premises.

http://www.iowadnr.gov/Portals/idnr/uploads/Hunting/060613_consent_order.pdf

The overall incidence of clinical CWD in white-tailed deer was 82%

Species (cohort) CWD (cases/total) Incidence (%) Age at CWD death (mo)

https://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Hunting/BigGame/CWD/PDF/ResearchArticles/JWDEpiCWD.pdf

please note, once the tse prion, including cwd goes clinical, it's 100 percent fatal.

the incubation period is what is fooling folks. making folks complacent. think of cwd like Alzheimer's disease. we have seen what that can do over time. give cwd enough time, it will do the same thing, in not worse...imo.

Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Neuropathology of iatrogenic Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease and immunoassay of French cadaver-sourced growth hormone batches suggest possible transmission of tauopathy and long incubation periods for the transmission of Abeta pathology

http://tauopathies.blogspot.com/2017/12/neuropathology-of-iatrogenic.html

there are more deer farms with high infection rates, some not so much, but give it time, and then during that time the cwd agent mutates...it already has, then you get strains that or more virulent, as with the atypical L-type BASE BSE in cattle, like some documented right here in the USA. see;

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12, 2017

Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy BSE TSE Prion (aka mad cow disease) Report December 14, 2017 2017

http://bovineprp.blogspot.com/2017/12/bovine-spongiform-encephalopathy-bse.html

genetics may play a role in susceptibility of cwd to cervid, but there has been no documented familial case of tse prion in animals, unless you want to count that fluke by the usda et al, the atypical gh BSE case...LOL! i will spare you those details unless you want a long winded posted.

''There are no known familial or genetic TSEs of animals, although polymorphisms in the PRNP gene of some species (sheep for example) may influence the length of the incubation period and occurrence of disease.''


https://www.gov.uk/


but if you wait long enough, once these tse prion strains mutate, your just asking for more problems. imo...

i don't know about you, but i believe that the 'wait and see' approach, i think that is foolish. we have waited long enough, and cwd has not gone away, it just keeps getting worse. i also believe that the '5 year plan' is a joke, when considering;

*** Infectious agent of sheep scrapie may persist in the environment for at least 16 years ***

Gudmundur Georgsson1, Sigurdur Sigurdarson2 and Paul Brown3

http://jgv.sgmjournals.org/content/87/12/3737.full

kind regards, terry

''This disease has been in deer we eat for over half a century (that we know of). There is absolutely no reason to believe that it hasn't been around as long as deer and man.''


COLORADO THE ORIGIN OF CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION?

*** Spraker suggested an interesting explanation for the occurrence of CWD. The deer pens at the Foot Hills Campus were built some 30-40 years ago by a Dr. Bob Davis. At or abut that time, allegedly, some scrapie work was conducted at this site. When deer were introduced to the pens they occupied ground that had previously been occupied by sheep.

IN CONFIDENCE, REPORT OF AN UNCONVENTIONAL SLOW VIRUS DISEASE IN ANIMALS IN THE USA 1989

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20080102193705/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf

ALSO, one of the most, if not the most top TSE Prion God in Science today is Professor Adriano Aguzzi, and he recently commented on just this, on a cwd post on my facebook page August 20 at 1:44pm, quote;

''it pains me to no end to even comtemplate the possibility, but it seems entirely plausible that CWD originated from scientist-made spread of scrapie from sheep to deer in the colorado research facility. If true, a terrible burden for those involved.'' August 20 at 1:44pm ...end


MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2017

Colorado Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion Mandatory Submission of test samples in some areas and zoonosisF

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/09/colorado-chronic-wasting-disease-cwd.html


*** After a natural route of exposure, 100% of WTD were susceptible to scrapie.

PO-039: A comparison of scrapie and chronic wasting disease in white-tailed deer

Justin Greenlee, Jodi Smith, Eric Nicholson US Dept. Agriculture; Agricultural Research Service, National Animal Disease Center; Ames, IA USA

http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/03-Prion6-2-Transmission-and-strains.pdf


just something to think about...


kind regards, terry

Seems to me like they are still hunting and killing deer in Iowa. I guess CWD hasnt wiped out the whole herd yet?

All conjecture about origin Terry. But for sake of argument I’ll let you believe it’s a man caused pathogen.

Now don’t dodge or ignore these proven facts and respond please.

1. Name one place where affected species have been reduced to unhuntable numbers by cwd.

2. Why the concern about a disease that is many times less virulent and transmissible (animal to animal) than anthrax?

3 . Why the concern about a disease that has never been transmitted to humans, and virtually no concern or effort to address anthrax that attacks all ungulates and many more species and is so easily transmitted to humans from animals?

Please address those questions.

therancher, i have already addressed these questions except the anthrax one, and you are wrong sir on that. anthrax is not 100% fatal. you can be cured from anthrax. there is no cure for the tse prion disease. the other questions i have addressed and you just don't seem to understand the tse prion disease, and i can't help that. you also bring absolutely nothing to the table but the same old rhetoric no science. so we will have to agree to disagree. others will have to go though the science and make up there own mind. they can either just take your word, or they can read the science an make their own decisions. i would suggest to them not to take your word, and read the science. you have a good day Sir...

Canada is in bad shape, can't contain cwd in the captive farms...

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 15, 2017

Canada CFIA updating its national CWD TSE PRION efforts to eradicate disease farmed cervid NOT successful December 14, 2017

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/12/canada-cfia-updating-its-national-cwd.html

Who would have guessed that he would not have have answered those three questions? Last I saw, Canada is still hunting and killing deer. I guess CWD hasnt wiped out that herd yet either. Also, when the heck did reliable "science" come from some guys blog on the internet?

jmh004, like i said, give it time, incubation is fooling everyone...

TUESDAY, MARCH 14, 2017

Iowa 12 deer test positive for chronic wasting disease from 2016-17 hunting seasons

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/03/iowa-12-deer-test-positive-for-chronic.html

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 01, 2017

Iowa Clayton County deer tests positive for chronic wasting disease

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/02/iowa-clayton-county-deer-tests-positive.html

THURSDAY, JANUARY 26, 2017

IOWA DNR CONFIRMS 9 CASES CWD from hunter-harvested deer from near Harpers Ferry during the 2016 hunting seasons

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/01/iowa-dnr-confirms-9-cases-cwd-from.html

FRIDAY, JULY 29, 2016

IOWA CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION TOTAL TO DATE 304 CASES WILD AND CAPTIVE REPORT UPDATE JULY 2016
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 01, 2017

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/07/iowa-chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-tse.html

Tuesday, December 20, 2016

IOWA CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE FOUND AT A DEER FARM IN BUCHANAN COUNTY

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/12/iowa-chronic-wasting-disease-found-at.html

Friday, July 29, 2016

IOWA CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION TOTAL TO DATE 304 CASES WILD AND CAPTIVE REPORT UPDATE JULY 2016

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/07/iowa-chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-tse.html

SUNDAY, JANUARY 24, 2016

IOWA CHRONIC WASTING TSE PRION DISEASE UPDATE

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/01/iowa-chronic-wasting-tse-prion-disease.html


Iowa Supreme Court rules law allows quarantine of CWD deer, not land

This is very, very concerning imo.

IF this ruling is upheld as such ;

''The Iowa Supreme Court upheld the district court ruling — saying the law gives the DNR only the authority to quarantine the deer — not the land. The ruling says if the Iowa Legislature wants to expand the quarantine powers as suggested by the DNR, then it is free to do so.''

IF a 'precedent' is set as such, by the Legislature not intervening to expand quarantine powers to the DNR for CWD TSE Prion, and the precedent is set as such that the cervid industry and land there from, once contaminated with the CWD TSE Prion, are free to repopulate, sell the land, etc, imo, this will blow the lid off any containment efforts of this damn disease CWD TSE Prion. The Iowa Supreme Court did not just pass the cwd buck down the road, the Supreme Court of Iowa just threw the whole state of Iowa under the bus at 100 MPH. all those healthy deer, while the litigation was going on, well, they were incubating the cwd tse prion, loading up the land even more, and in the end, 79.8% of those healthy looking deer had CWD TSE Prion. what about the exposure to the other species that come across that land, and then off to some other land? this makes no sense to me, if this is set in stone and the Legislation does not stop it, and stop if fast, any containment of the cwd tse prion will be futile, imo...terry

FRIDAY, JUNE 16, 2017

Iowa Supreme Court rules law allows quarantine of CWD deer, not land

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/06/iowa-supreme-court-rules-law-allows.html

WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 2017

*** Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion aka Mad Deer Disease and the Real Estate Market Land Values ***

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/05/chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-tse-prion.html


terry

Give it time? Didn't you just say that the "let's wait and see" method was a bad idea? Yet your willing to "give it time", to see if CWD might possibly, maybe, perhaps wipe out a deer herd?

jmh004 , if i interpret your reply correctly, your making stuff up now.

jmh004 stated;

Originally Posted By: jmh004

Seems to me like they are still hunting and killing deer in Iowa. I guess CWD hasnt wiped out the whole herd yet?

my complete statement was;

but if you wait long enough, once these tse prion strains mutate, your just asking for more problems. imo...

snipped out a laundry list of cwd in Iowa and cwd infection rates there from cwd...tss

i don't know about you, but i believe that the 'wait and see' approach, i think that is foolish. we have waited long enough, and cwd has not gone away, it just keeps getting worse. i also believe that the '5 year plan' is a joke, when considering;

*** Infectious agent of sheep scrapie may persist in the environment for at least 16 years ***

Gudmundur Georgsson1, Sigurdur Sigurdarson2 and Paul Brown3

http://jgv.sgmjournals.org/content/87/12/3737.full


Originally Posted By: jmh004
Seems to me like they are still hunting and killing deer in Iowa. I guess CWD hasnt wiped out the whole herd yet?


jmh004, like i said, give it time, incubation is fooling everyone...snip...end

i snipped out the laundry lists of example for Iowa CWD links, links that showed Gov stats in Iowa on cwd, and how they keep increasing. i will spare the board posting those links again.

so jmh004 you are making stuff up now. snipping parts of my comments out, and then insinuating i posted something else, will get you put right on my naughty list real fast. i will not try and help or answer anymore of your questions. there are a select few more here that are going to be put on my naughty list as well. these are folks that are very much aware of cwd, these are folks that imo are part of the cwd problem, never identify themselves, never bring forth any sound science, and will never change. good luck sir...Merry Christmas to you and yours.

kind regards, terry

This is actually the only time you have "answered" one of my questions, and now you think your Santa Claus? Putting me on a naughty list? This is why no one really takes your comments seriously. This, and the fact that you claim to post "reliable scientific postings" from a blog. I guess I should actually be thanking you for going on the naughty list. I've been sucked into your non sense, back and forths on here too many times.

First, I never said anthrax has 100% kill rate. It has has however killed more people and is therefore a larger threat to humans than cwd.

I have brought more science to the table than you. My degree is in biomedical science, I have 30 years experience in research. I can read and interpret data. And I can see and smell bulls#%t better than most.

Now, answer the questions please. And if you’re going to challenge my science please provide your scientific credentials.

Spot on therancher, I feel flounder is attempting to cause wide spread panic about now the dangers in the consumption of venison. I also agree that more concern should be shown to anthrax which wiped out better than 50% of the deer population on a friends ranch in Uvalde as well as a better ability to battle EHD and Blue tongue. The attempt to make people believe that CWD is spreading like wildfire thanks to the deer breeders is fake news.The Deer Breeding Industry has spent far more in medical research in attempt to understand and combat CWD then tpwd would even consider.

Y'all need to do a simple search of this guys name on the internet. Its hysterical what comes back. I can never ask this guy a serious question on this topic again.