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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I blame the Russian's and North Korea and the Obama administration for CWD. Crunchy Whitetail Deer, too many people just over cooking their venison.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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so roughly 80% of the cases so far are low fence deer?
yeah... let's keep blaming the deer breeders for it.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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Wow just wow now TAHC and USDA are covering up mad cow in Texas.
Bat dropping crazy has morphed into crazier. Didn’t think it was possible
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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so roughly 80% of the cases so far are low fence deer?
yeah... let's keep blaming the deer breeders for it. Don't worry, I'm sure most here will blame HF operators anyways "muh deer migrate" You know what would be nice, OP? Maybe a little summation of the articles every time you post these. I'm not reading all that crap anyway, & don't really care about the subject anyway, plus I have a very short attention span. But if your trying to disseminate information, no matter how asinine, a brief summary would be helpful.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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CWD is real, and it's bad.
the politicizing is being done by the real big money in texas... and it's not the guy on a 1000 acres selling a few breeder deer every year.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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so roughly 80% of the cases so far are low fence deer?
yeah... let's keep blaming the deer breeders for it. Texas reported cases of CWD have been in one isolated area of Texas, namely Medina and adjoining Uvalde counties, and not for hundreds of miles in any direction. Must have been transmitted by birds. Certainly couldn't have been imported from somewhere else by a breeder! Probably couldn't find a breeder within 1000 miles of those counties huh? Animals regularly escape from high fenced areas due to wind storms and floods knocking down portions of high fence, so low fenced areas soon get contaminated as well and to believe otherwise is naive. http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/2017/2017-10-18_CWDElk.pdf
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Thursday at 12:45 PM #33 Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I think you need to read the information again Jimbo.... There were CWD cases found in Medina, but cases have existed in west texas for decades. the very link flounder posted lists 14 cases of CWD found in mule deer herds in west texas
added to that, deer breeding facilities have to test at 100% for the last couple of years, in addition to random testing. and this is what has been found. every single deer that is killed or dies has to be tested.
we're testing these facilities at 100%, and testing free range deer at about .01%. let's test every single killed free range deer and see how the cards fall, huh?
if we just cared about dead deer, then where's the fear mongering over EHD? that kills a [censored] ton of deer year after year... and when is the last time there was a full blown effort by the king ranch and TPW to even heighten awareness about the problem?
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I think you need to read the information again Jimbo.... There were CWD cases found in Medina, but cases have existed in west texas for decades. the very link flounder posted lists 14 cases of CWD found in mule deer herds in west texas
added to that, deer breeding facilities have to test at 100% for the last couple of years, in addition to random testing. and this is what has been found. every single deer that is killed or dies has to be tested.
we're testing these facilities at 100%, and testing free range deer at about .01%. let's test every single killed free range deer and see how the cards fall, huh? So what your saying is CWD has always been around in free range deer, and couldn't have be transported into our state. I'm sure testing every singe deer will still not prove anything once the genie is out of the bottle, so pointing fingers is a mute point.
Thursday at 12:45 PM #33 Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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so roughly 80% of the cases so far are low fence deer?
yeah... let's keep blaming the deer breeders for it. Texas reported cases of CWD have been in one isolated area of Texas, namely Medina and adjoining Uvalde counties, and not for hundreds of miles in any direction. Must have been transmitted by birds. Certainly couldn't have been imported from somewhere else by a breeder! Probably couldn't find a breeder within 1000 miles of those counties huh? Animals regularly escape from high fenced areas due to wind storms and floods knocking down portions of high fence, so low fenced areas soon get contaminated as well and to believe otherwise is naive. http://www.tahc.state.tx.us/news/2017/2017-10-18_CWDElk.pdf Ummm Nope CWD was first reported/observerd in West TX along NM border, via Mule deer almost a decade ago.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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no my point is that was first seen/proven in colorado, where there were no white tail breeding facilities, and now it's nothing but an attack on the deer breeding industry. No one knows exactly how or when it originated, but the fact it was found in a breeding facility isn't surprising.
is there any other herd of animals that are checked several times a week in a controlled environment? not to mention, the interaction is totally different in a breeding facility. 20-25 deer in a single pen less than an acre, so infection rates are going to be higher.
testing every single deer might prove that the % of free range with CWD versus the % of captive deer with CWD isn't all that different. Right now it's all the deer breeders fault, and the big money pumping in from the king ranch and others wants to keep it that way.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I think you need to read the information again Jimbo.... There were CWD cases found in Medina, but cases have existed in west texas for decades. the very link flounder posted lists 14 cases of CWD found in mule deer herds in west texas
added to that, deer breeding facilities have to test at 100% for the last couple of years, in addition to random testing. and this is what has been found. every single deer that is killed or dies has to be tested.
we're testing these facilities at 100%, and testing free range deer at about .01%. let's test every single killed free range deer and see how the cards fall, huh? So what your saying is CWD has always been around in free range deer, and couldn't have be transported into our state. I'm sure testing every singe deer will still not prove anything once the genie is out of the bottle, so pointing fingers is a mute point. Fact, as history is currently reported, it walked across border via mule deer.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I read that a disease with common effects was documented in Europe with sheep herds 400+ years ago.
CWD wasn't just "created" in an elk breeding facility out of thin air.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I read that a disease with common effects was documented in Europe with sheep herds 400+ years ago.
CWD wasn't just "created" in an elk breeding facility out of thin air. Forsure. We also have to remember it was first “observed” in 60’s. Unglulates populations have being rebounding since 1900’s. In the last 100years the lower 48 has not seen the herd numbers and densities that we have today. In fact density wise we may be at the highest North America has ever seen, due to the minute amount of habitat.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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no my point is that was first seen/proven in colorado, where there were no white tail breeding facilities, and now it's nothing but an attack on the deer breeding industry. No one knows exactly how or when it originated, but the fact it was found in a breeding facility isn't surprising.
is there any other herd of animals that are checked several times a week in a controlled environment? not to mention, the interaction is totally different in a breeding facility. 20-25 deer in a single pen less than an acre, so infection rates are going to be higher.
testing every single deer might prove that the % of free range with CWD versus the % of captive deer with CWD isn't all that different. Right now it's all the deer breeders fault, and the big money pumping in from the king ranch and others wants to keep it that way.
COLORADO THE ORIGIN OF CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION? *** Spraker suggested an interesting explanation for the occurrence of CWD. The deer pens at the Foot Hills Campus were built some 30-40 years ago by a Dr. Bob Davis. At or abut that time, allegedly, some scrapie work was conducted at this site. When deer were introduced to the pens they occupied ground that had previously been occupied by sheep. IN CONFIDENCE, REPORT OF AN UNCONVENTIONAL SLOW VIRUS DISEASE IN ANIMALS IN THE USA 1989 http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20080102193705/http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf ALSO, one of the most, if not the most top TSE Prion God in Science today is Professor Adriano Aguzzi, and he recently commented on just this, on a cwd post on my facebook page August 20 at 1:44pm, quote; ''it pains me to no end to even comtemplate the possibility, but it seems entirely plausible that CWD originated from scientist-made spread of scrapie from sheep to deer in the colorado research facility. If true, a terrible burden for those involved.'' August 20 at 1:44pm ...end MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, 2017 Colorado Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion Mandatory Submission of test samples in some areas and zoonosisF http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/09/colorado-chronic-wasting-disease-cwd.html*** After a natural route of exposure, 100% of WTD were susceptible to scrapie. PO-039: A comparison of scrapie and chronic wasting disease in white-tailed deer Justin Greenlee, Jodi Smith, Eric Nicholson US Dept. Agriculture; Agricultural Research Service, National Animal Disease Center; Ames, IA USA http://www.landesbioscience.com/journals/prion/03-Prion6-2-Transmission-and-strains.pdfTUESDAY, MARCH 28, 2017 *** Passage of scrapie to deer results in a new phenotype upon return passage to sheep *** http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/03/passage-of-scrapie-to-deer-results-in.htmlSPONTANEOUS ATYPICAL BOVINE SPONGIFORM ENCEPHALOPATHY ***Moreover, sporadic disease has never been observed in breeding colonies or primate research laboratories, most notably among hundreds of animals over several decades of study at the National Institutes of Health25, and in nearly twenty older animals continuously housed in our own facility.*** http://www.nature.com/articles/srep11573kind regards, terry
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I think you need to read the information again Jimbo.... There were CWD cases found in Medina, but cases have existed in west texas for decades. the very link flounder posted lists 14 cases of CWD found in mule deer herds in west texas
added to that, deer breeding facilities have to test at 100% for the last couple of years, in addition to random testing. and this is what has been found. every single deer that is killed or dies has to be tested.
we're testing these facilities at 100%, and testing free range deer at about .01%. let's test every single killed free range deer and see how the cards fall, huh? So what your saying is CWD has always been around in free range deer, and couldn't have be transported into our state. I'm sure testing every singe deer will still not prove anything once the genie is out of the bottle, so pointing fingers is a mute point. Fact, as history is currently reported, it walked across border via mule deer. sadly, i started telling the TAHC et al back around 2001 or 2002, and every year there after, that cwd was in fact waltzing across the border via the Trans Pecos WSMR area from New Mexico. they laughed at me every year, always the same excuse, property rights, until they detected cwd right where i had been begging them to test a decade or so previously around 2012. how are those property rights working out for ya now. so sad... MONDAY, AUGUST 14, 2017 *** Texas Chronic Wasting Disease CWD TSE Prion History *** http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2017/08/texas-chronic-wasting-disease-cwd-tse.htmlhttp://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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What do you want done about it flounder? Every hf land owner to have every deer tested?
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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Yeah, just throw out Constitutional law so someone wearing a tinfoil hat that posts on a blog can feel like he is important. Property rights are so dumb.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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BUMP - You're very good at copy/paste and keeping your blog alive. What is your purpose, at this point? You've made everyone who will listen aware of CWD in Texas and elsewhere.
What is your solution for how to deal with CWD in Texas, Mr. TS?
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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Has this group discussed the article on CWD, which was reprinted in Texas Trophy Hunter recently?
("Deer") Dr. James Kroll and Dr. Donald S. Davis (Biomedical Sciences at ATM) state the position that CWD exhibits the characteristics of a syndrome (think genetic) rather than a communicable disease.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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That doesn't fit this guys agenda, so he will not discuss it. Man, can't believe I got sucked back into one of these CWD posts again!
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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Ernest T., that shouldn't be hard to corroborate. We have plenty of data on recently depopulated herds from Medina, Uvalde and Lavaca counties. All the DNA and genetic lineage a researcher could want. Not fond of the opinions of Dr. Death (I mean Deer). He's no more of a wildlife biologist than you and me. But he knows a thing or two about Forestry.
I still want to hear flounder's end goal, his plan for dealing with this pervasive, catastrophic, highly contagious communicable disease. Let's give him a chance to answer.
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Re: TEXAS CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE CWD TSE PRION MOUNTING 63 CASES CONFIRMED TO DATE NOVEMBER 27, 2017
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I saw a zombie movie recently that started along similar lines........
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