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Re: I need help with bullets [Re: plumber] #6983254 12/05/17 03:59 AM
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I've had many less than satisfactory experiences with hornady soft point interlocks in a 270 Winchester.

Realy turned me off of hornady ammo and they were all lack of penetration/pass though/blood trail problems.


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I have had good results with the Federal Fusion rounds. They cost $21.00 a box and have a $5.00 mail-in rebate right now. I have used their 30-06, .223, 7.62x39 and 30-30 ammo on deer and hogs and they don’t go far.

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My father in law and I both have a weatherby vanguard S1 270.. The round we use is the Winchester Ballistic Silvertip 130 g. We have it zeroed at 200 yds and always shoot our deer behind the shoulder. We have always had a pass through and great blood trail if they run. Quite a few of them have dropped right in their tracks. We are very pleased with this set up.


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I have had great luck with the very inexpensive Hornady Whitetail ammo both in 30-06 and .223. Have killed deer, hogs, and coyotes and the only one that has even moved was the deer I shot last week that went 25yds but left a massive blood trail. Bullet went in behind the shoulder and turned the chest cavity into liquid and came out the brisket. I was on a hill over the deer and aimed a little low for the angle. Anyway, I am a believer, they seem to do a great job, and have been on sale at Academy multiple times for $17 a box.

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Originally Posted By: bowbuilder1971
I have had good results with the Federal Fusion rounds. They cost $21.00 a box and have a $5.00 mail-in rebate right now. I have used their 30-06, .223, 7.62x39 and 30-30 ammo on deer and hogs and they don’t go far.


IMO the Fusion rounds are better versions of what the Corelokt used to be. I use them in my 6.8 and they've performed extremely well on deer, given the cartridge energy limitations.

Corelokts used to perform well for me, our family killed over 200 deer with them. About 8 years ago they started not shooting well in my .308. I chronographed 10 rounds of 150gr from two different boxes/two different lots, and the ES was 140 FPS, with 70% of them, as well as the average, well below the published data for a 24" barrel.


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Bullet performance really comes down to what you hit in the animal on the penetration, whether you get an exit or not. I have shot a 270 Win for many years. I mainly shot 130 SST and 130 grain InterLock (standard soft point). I have had some SST's not exit, and most of the time they exit with a quarter to half dollar size exit. The 130 SP generally gets and exit also. This last weekend, we shot 2 pigs and 1 doe with the 130 SP. The doe had an exit of about a quarter size. Shot placement was a broadside shot and entrance was front chest that took out the front of the heart. Exit was perfect and doe ran about 10 yards. The pig I shot did not have an exit, which shot placement was in the front neck area, where I generally don't get an exit either. Pig dropped in it's tracks. The second pig I shot was running and placement was back, and hit mid rear section, and bullet exited. Finished it off with a 10mm.

The new ELD-X bullets have a bullet jacket that gets thicker as you go down the shaft of the bullet. This helps for controlled expansion so you don't get over expansion. I'm very surprised that a 145 ELD-X didn't exit. Anytime you want more penetration, you increase bullet weight, which gives you less velocity for less bullet upset for deeper penetration. I have had good feed back on the ELD-X bullets in many calibers. So, I'm shocked it didn't exit in this case.

If you want a near 100% full penetration, then you need to go to a tougher bullet. Something like a bonded bullet or a solid copper bullet. A Nosler Accubond is great, and the Barnes TSX are good for deep penetration and pass through's (though I'm not a fan of them, but they do work).


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everyone has their own personal favorite. the .270win has proven itself through the years as a great medium game and even with the right hand loads large game round. We've shot the core-lokt for years until we started losing deer left and right. a total of 7 deer in one season and come to find out they were blowing up on impact. (Remington changed the core-lokt the year prior) lots of research went into different bullets and the closest we could find was the federal fusion, just as good of performance if not better than the original core-lokt. now if you like a little more carnage then the Hornady superformace is a bad dude, in most cases its over kill for whitetails but it sure does wreck them. So far every animal I've shot with them has been dead on impact. Would even say that my .270 win shooting the superformances are almost as damaging as my 28 nosler shooting the 195gr Berger EOL

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Chad, I know you're a pro but have to disagree on solid copper bullets out of a .270. In my experience, they leave a bullet sized hole on entry and exit (if it even exits) with very little if any blood trail. Yes, they're great for penetration but don't perform well at .270 velocities. I shoot a 7mm-08 as you know. Best bullets I have used are Sierra Game King and Sierra Pro Hunter. My guns really like the Fusions too and their terminal performance is excellent.

Lots of good bullets out there but for medium velocities, thin-skinned game and huge blood trails, Game Kings do it for me. I only shoot bonded core bullets in my 3,000 fps + rifles.

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Yeah they have worked well for me. All my shots were under 100 yards with the Federal Fusion. I was shooting Federal Power-Shok 180gr sp 30-06 out of my Tikka before the Fusion since I bought a bunch while it was on sale. It did the job well. Before that I was shooting the Remington Managed-Recoil ammo because my back was still healing from a lower back surgery and I was only shooting out to 50 yards at the time. But I still need to get out and try this box of Sako Super Hammerhead 180gr bonded sp 30-06 ammo at some point. I got a box of it at a discount price when I bought my Lefty Tikka 30-06. The super hammerhead ammo got good reviews online from what I have read so far. I gave my buddy an early model Remington 700 that I worked on while I was in school and gave him all the old boxes of Remington Core-Lokt that I used with it. It was an early model 700 that had the slots cut from the factory for using stripper clips lol. Next year I need to get a reloading station set up to save some money and try out different loads to find what works best with each firearm I have. My teacher here in Texas makes custom competition rifles and reloads so I will have to take a ride out to his shop to get schooled on reloading. He is very well known and makes some beautiful competition rifles.

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Chad, I know you're a pro but have to disagree on solid copper bullets out of a .270. In my experience, they leave a bullet sized hole on entry and exit (if it even exits) with very little if any blood trail. Yes, they're great for penetration but don't perform well at .270 velocities. I shoot a 7mm-08 as you know. Best bullets I have used are Sierra Game King and Sierra Pro Hunter. My guns really like the Fusions too and their terminal performance is excellent.

Lots of good bullets out there but for medium velocities, thin-skinned game and huge blood trails, Game Kings do it for me. I only shoot bonded core bullets in my 3,000 fps + rifles.


That is why I shoot partitions. The front core is soft and frangible like any other cup and core bullet. The rear core is incased in the guilding metal jacket and crimped in in the rear and wont come apart shed its core or over expand and it has enough weight retention to punch through dang near anything. It is an old style, but for me the provide a much better combination of expand yet wont blow up on anything than any other options from bonded to mono metal has been able to provide.


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tried to send picture of bullet stuck n skin on opposite side never really had problems until changed ammo this year. I am no perfect shot the longest shot I ever made was 418 yards I practice 300 at range and in summer months I shoot 400 at my ranch.

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Chad, I know you're a pro but have to disagree on solid copper bullets out of a .270. In my experience, they leave a bullet sized hole on entry and exit (if it even exits) with very little if any blood trail. Yes, they're great for penetration but don't perform well at .270 velocities. I shoot a 7mm-08 as you know. Best bullets I have used are Sierra Game King and Sierra Pro Hunter. My guns really like the Fusions too and their terminal performance is excellent.

Lots of good bullets out there but for medium velocities, thin-skinned game and huge blood trails, Game Kings do it for me. I only shoot bonded core bullets in my 3,000 fps + rifles.


That is why I shoot partitions. The front core is soft and frangible like any other cup and core bullet. The rear core is incased in the guilding metal jacket and crimped in in the rear and wont come apart shed its core or over expand and it has enough weight retention to punch through dang near anything. It is an old style, but for me the provide a much better combination of expand yet wont blow up on anything than any other options from bonded to mono metal has been able to provide.


Love partitions, but not at 7mm-08 velocities.

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Chad, I know you're a pro but have to disagree on solid copper bullets out of a .270. In my experience, they leave a bullet sized hole on entry and exit (if it even exits) with very little if any blood trail. Yes, they're great for penetration but don't perform well at .270 velocities. I shoot a 7mm-08 as you know. Best bullets I have used are Sierra Game King and Sierra Pro Hunter. My guns really like the Fusions too and their terminal performance is excellent.

Lots of good bullets out there but for medium velocities, thin-skinned game and huge blood trails, Game Kings do it for me. I only shoot bonded core bullets in my 3,000 fps + rifles.


That is why I shoot partitions. The front core is soft and frangible like any other cup and core bullet. The rear core is incased in the guilding metal jacket and crimped in in the rear and wont come apart shed its core or over expand and it has enough weight retention to punch through dang near anything. It is an old style, but for me the provide a much better combination of expand yet wont blow up on anything than any other options from bonded to mono metal has been able to provide.


Love partitions, but not at 7mm-08 velocities.

Too slow?

My brother has been shooting a load I load for him for well over 10 years, its a 150 grain nosler partition in a 270 Winchester, shooting 2500 fps, its a starting load has minimal recoil and does a number on deer. Always great penetration good expansion and short blood trails.


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Yes, but at 2850 fps from my 7mm-08, I guess it would do great.

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I'm sure it would do amazing things out of a 7o8 at that speed.


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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Chad, I know you're a pro but have to disagree on solid copper bullets out of a .270. In my experience, they leave a bullet sized hole on entry and exit (if it even exits) with very little if any blood trail. Yes, they're great for penetration but don't perform well at .270 velocities.


Yes, you are correct. A lot depends on which bullet and how fast it's running. I have done some custom load work ups for some 270 and 7 mag rounds where my customer reported back that the tsx bullets were getting straight pass throughs. The 140 tsx in the 270 win was one of these. This bullet needs some good speed behind it to open up. You have to drop down at least 20-30 grains from a lead bullet and pick up some speed. Barnes has some bullets, like the 110 TAC for the blk out, for better expansion at slower velocities by increasing the diameter of the tip and making a much larger hollow point.

And another negative is when you drop down in weight, and you push these bullets North of 3000 fps, you get a lot of copper fouling. For all these reasons, I'm not a big fan of the tsx bullets.


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Not sure how many deer I have killed with Nosler Partitions from the 7mm-08, gave up on finding a bullet still in the deer to examine. Even one that went through several inches of a tree before hitting a buck through the ribs and lungs before exiting did exit the tree and deer. That was from a 18.5 inch barrel on a running shot at deer that was in front of a pack of Mississippi deer hounds, range only about 50 yards. The load started it out at a little over 2600 from that shor barrel.


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this is the bullet stuck in skin

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That appears to be the back/rear end of the bullet facing up? Is the lead core still in the jacket or have they separated? How much does that piece weigh?

If the lead core isn't in that jacket then that is your problem and the same reason I quit using hornady soft points almost as quickly as I started using them. Had similar results with 150's out of 2 270's and a 154 or 153 grain out of a 280. I have nothing positive to say about hornady interlocks.


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there is no lead or plastic tip left it was precision hunter shells not sure what it weighs but both deer this weekend shot no blood no exit

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there is no lead or plastic tip left it was precision hunter shells not sure what it weighs but both deer this weekend shot no blood no exit


No lead left = core separation, which is the reason you didn't get an exit and blood trail. It does not retain enough weight\speed\energy to punch through the other side when the core and jacket come apart. I experienced it very often with hornady bullets.


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I need flat shooting shell .270 have a target at 400 yards shoot it 20 times a year to keep in practice will make that shot on hog before trying a deer but not sure what ammo might be best

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I use the 130 gr Nosler BT, and have done so for decades and a couple hundred deer. But...maybe the OP needs Chad to load up some 110 Accubonds for that 270.


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