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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/29/17 07:25 PM
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Light weight and 300wm make a tough combination if you don't spend a great deal of time behind it. For that kind of price I think a semi-custom build would be the way to go....more accurate too. P_102
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/29/17 09:09 PM
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I agree with the above poster. Unless you are spending a lot of time behind the rifle AND not developing a flinch, the 300 is tough in a light rifle. I am a big fan of the 30-06. I had a 300 and sold it, have a 338 and never use it and have never found the '06 to be lacking for any game up to and including coastal bear. A 200 grain Partition will take out any big bear and will exit any broadside shot. A-frames will penetrate just as much or more than the Partition. I have shot a lot of wildebeest, zebras, kudu and gemsbok in Africa. Have shot a lot of elk here in Texas culling for big ranches. All with the 30-06 and have never worried about having enough gun.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/30/17 12:02 AM
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I have hunted with .300 WM, .300 WSM, and .338 WM rifles weighing from 7 1/4 to 8 1/4 lbs all over North America for the past 25 years or so. Recoil is not and has never been an issue. I am a little, skinny guy. I don’t recall ever paying one bit of attention to recoil when I shot an animal. I mean, I’m sure my .300s kick more than my .270 - it’s just not enough for me to care about it.
I have never been able to relate to all the posts classifying a .300 WM/WSM as a bruiser to hunt with. Obviously everyone is different. Just as obviously, we are in the midst of a “light caliber craze” at the moment. Many posters on these type threads tend to read/answer a question of “ What is the best caliber to use for_____?” as if the question is “What is the minimum/lightest caliber I can use for _____?”. I’m beginning to understand that, for them, the question is one and the same. I get that shooting 100 rounds a day at paper/steel is a different ballgame.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 12:03 AM
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Light weight and 300wm make a tough combination if you don't spend a great deal of time behind it. For that kind of price I think a semi-custom build would be the way to go....more accurate too. P_102 I would have agreed with your last statement 20 years ago, or heck even 10 years ago. Now days most big name production grade rifles can hold their own with most customs and for a heck of a lot less money. There are days when I am at the range sitting behind a sub-moa Vanguard and shoot tighter groups than the guy next to me that just dropped $5k on a custom build and another $2500 on the scope. For me the only attraction of a true custom build now days would be so you can have everything exactly the way you want it and have the money to do it. And then of course you get to brag to your buddies how much your custom shop rifle cost you while not shooting any better than the bone stock Tikka he is holding. To each his own though.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/30/17 12:46 AM
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Never shot a Kimber rifle, but I know My Sako is a pretty sweet shooter off the shelf
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/30/17 12:52 AM
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For everything but bear I’d be fine with a .270. Noted Alaskan bear guide Phil Shoemaker is fine with clients using a 30-06 for brown bear.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 12:53 AM
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For me the only attraction of a true custom build now days would be so you can have everything exactly the way you want it. And then, of course, you get to brag to your buddies how your custom shop rifle shoots 1/2 MOA (and better) than the bone stock Tikka he is holding. Fify JCB. My smithy would go broke if his rifles shot like a factory gun. Though I do agree that many production bolt guns are legit sub MOA, these days. Most folks won't benefit from a true custom and will do just fine with any of the better guns. Back to the original question, other than the 7mm-08, I love my .300 RUM with 180 gr. Swift Scirocco or A-Frame for anything larger than a whitetail and smaller than a Cape Buffalo.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/30/17 01:49 AM
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If most don’t, who exactly does benefit from a true custom hunting rifle?
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 02:21 AM
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Get the best of both worlds, fast flat, heavy caliber. 338-378wby Kill anything on the continent. Heck 90% of anything in the world.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/30/17 02:29 AM
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the big thing is shoot what you shoot well. I have my favorite ones but the 270 will do just fine. use a good bullet. I have seen elk shot with a 243. Accuracy is more important than getting a magnum. On the other side I would never pass the chance to buy another rifle.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 03:07 AM
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After reading this whole thread I see very little about shoot no bigger cartridge than one the hunter can shoot accurately and place the bullet in the right spot. A gut shot deer, elk, bear or moose is still a gut shot animal that will take a lot of killing to put down, especially in the case of big bears that can bite back.
Like an outfitter friend in Montana says about elk rifle choices, what is wrong with the clients bringing their deer rifle in 308, 30-06, 270, 7mm-08..... they can shoot well. Why do they bring a new gun in some magnum they are afraid to shoot because they cannot handle the recoil? He has had show some of them how to operate the rifle they came to camp with.
If you can handle the recoil a 338 or 375 magnum can handle anything on this continent with ease but if you cannot shoot it then it will be a disappointing and potentially a more dangerous hunt than you ever want to be on. For many years the 30-06 was considered the best all around gun and may be today considering it is still more than some can shoot accurately in a hunting weight rifle.
I have never taken that Moose hunt I had planned but still have the gun I bought for it 350 Remington Magnum and still would use it if hunting coastal areas. Thought if I went after a coastal bear with the rifles in the safe it would most likely be a 45-70 loaded with the best bullet I could find and there several that would work well.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 03:14 AM
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the big thing is shoot what you shoot well.
Accuracy is more important than getting a magnum. ^^This And if a guy can shoot a big load of H-1000 or H-Retumbo, and a big heavy bullet precisely, then getting the animal in range is the only other task.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 03:17 AM
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After reading this whole thread I see very little about shoot no bigger cartridge than one the hunter can shoot accurately and place the bullet in the right spot. A gut shot deer, elk, bear or moose is still a gut shot animal that will take a lot of killing to put down, especially in the case of big bears that can bite back.
Like an outfitter friend in Montana says about elk rifle choices, what is wrong with the clients bringing their deer rifle in 308, 30-06, 270, 7mm-08..... they can shoot well. Why do they bring a new gun in some magnum they are afraid to shoot because they cannot handle the recoil? He has had show some of them how to operate the rifle they came to camp with.
If you can handle the recoil a 338 or 375 magnum can handle anything on this continent with ease but if you cannot shoot it then it will be a disappointing and potentially a more dangerous hunt than you ever want to be on. For many years the 30-06 was considered the best all around gun and may be today considering it is still more than some can shoot accurately in a hunting weight rifle.
I have never taken that Moose hunt I had planned but still have the gun I bought for it 350 Remington Magnum and still would use it if hunting coastal areas. Thought if I went after a coastal bear with the rifles in the safe it would most likely be a 45-70 loaded with the best bullet I could find and there several that would work well. Hunting in Colorado this past trip I read a book by a outfitter who apparently new his stuff. He said the best elk cartridges are the .270 and 30-06 Anything bigger isn't necessary by his measure and often results in poor shooting. Personally, I have no trouble shooting the .300 mags ( never shot a .300 ultra or .30-378) but I imagine that is tops for most guys. Bigger can be better....if you can handle it. There is a middle ground however an I like to be in it. Marginal isn't what I go for I'm hunting calibers
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 03:18 AM
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Get the best of both worlds, fast flat, heavy caliber. 338-378wby Kill anything on the continent. Heck 90% of anything in the world. What's your take on the .340 wby?
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 03:35 AM
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For me the only attraction of a true custom build now days would be so you can have everything exactly the way you want it. And then, of course, you get to brag to your buddies how your custom shop rifle shoots 1/2 MOA (and better) than the bone stock Tikka he is holding. Yep, you have to spend a lot of money to get something that'll shoot better than a bone stock Tikka. Both of mine are half-MOA guns with factory ammo. I haven't loaded for the 6.5 yet, but I've shot a number of .25" groups with my 223 with handloads. Even if custom guns do shoot better (and I'm not sure that most do), the difference is becoming indiscernible. Really the only benefit is to have something set up the way you like it.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 01:30 PM
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How did some of y'all get derailed and start the custom gun debate? I saw one comment about going semi custom and I believe it was generated after the mentioned Kimber Montana. It doesn't take long to know kimbers are hit or miss with a lot of misses. For the same money you can get a new cut rifle tube put on and pretty much any rifle and ensure your cold bore and prevent some stringing and strays while getting it to a desired length. Just a good option compared to the skinny barreled kimber. Back to calibers for big bears
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 02:05 PM
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Light weight and 300wm make a tough combination if you don't spend a great deal of time behind it. For that kind of price I think a semi-custom build would be the way to go....more accurate too. P_102 I would have agreed with your last statement 20 years ago, or heck even 10 years ago. Now days most big name production grade rifles can hold their own with most customs and for a heck of a lot less money. There are days when I am at the range sitting behind a sub-moa Vanguard and shoot tighter groups than the guy next to me that just dropped $5k on a custom build and another $2500 on the scope. For me the only attraction of a true custom build now days would be so you can have everything exactly the way you want it and have the money to do it. And then of course you get to brag to your buddies how much your custom shop rifle cost you while not shooting any better than the bone stock Tikka he is holding. To each his own though. so true
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 05:19 PM
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ok 300 wm it is and i'll figure out the brand on my own. Thanks for the suggestions and comments and even lectures about practicing before going hunting
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 05:24 PM
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Ryan, you have found out some about the THF. Ask a simple question and you will get many answers from members experiences to draw from and even answers to questions you didn't ask.
Generally a helpful sort around here though
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/30/17 05:31 PM
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kmon1 i have posted before and gotten great responses. It seems after i used the term "center mass" it was assumed I don't know what I'm doing and need to practice. I'm self taught at hunting for the most part so I don't always know the lingo. Generally, the responses towards the beginning said 300 wm and that has been corroborated by friends that hunt out West. As for brands, I KNOW that will get varied responses based on varied experiences with brands
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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12/01/17 01:50 PM
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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12/03/17 11:32 PM
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When you go bigger than .270, .308, .30/06, you’re not accomplishing much with more velocity, such as with the .300 WM. When you hit .338 WM things get interesting. I wouldn’t want more recoil and the 338 is quite flat shooting. It hits very, very hard and that’s a big bullet. Larger calibers give up too much BC, such as the .35s. I used the 225 BarnesX for decades in the Rocky’s.. The 338 is overkill for Elk. Large brown bear and African game is where the .338 hits is stride. Think of it as a fast, flat 9.3, a great caliber in it’s own right. Heavy constructed .338 bullets are seldom recovered.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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12/03/17 11:37 PM
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With a tag like "Caliche Kid" and locale like West Texas, I'd be willing to bet you're from El Paso. As am I.
Caliche was all we had to throw at each other on the playground in grade school, and pretty much the only kind of rock you'd find anywhere nearby.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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12/03/17 11:59 PM
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With a tag like "Caliche Kid" and locale like West Texas, I'd be willing to bet you're from El Paso. As am I.
Caliche was all we had to throw at each other on the playground in grade school, and pretty much the only kind of rock you'd find anywhere nearby. It’s nice to finally know what’s wrong with you.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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12/04/17 12:17 AM
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