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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/24/17 01:17 PM
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Back to the topic! Without a doubt a 300 mag would be my choice, preferably a Weatherby but y'all already knew that. For an elk rifle the 7-mag would be at #9 in my top 10 list with the 06 at number #10. 270 does not make it!
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 01:49 PM
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Ok well next time I’ll look up the proper vocabulary before posting on an Internet forum. Maybe I should have said it entered near heart/lung and just took a while to kill him apparently. Anyways, I appreciate the responses. Is there any glaring difference besides size between a 338 and 300 Wm? I’ve heard 338 tends to drop a lot more where 300 is flatter. No experience with either though
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/24/17 02:03 PM
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Ballistics on the .300 will be flatter and recoil a bit less. Ammo choice also a factor if you don’t handload.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 03:00 PM
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The brown/grizzly bear is always the spoiler, isn't it? Realistically, you are unlikely to ever get to go on one of these hunts and if you do it will probably be many years down the road when you have a lot more money and can just buy a rifle specifically for the bears (making some assumptions about you here, but probably valid).
So forget about that particular species. The 7mm Rem Mag will do fine for all the rest and kicks significantly less than the .300 WM. If you aren't recoil sensitive, then that isn't much of a factor, of course but the .300 WM recoil does unsettle the rifle off the bench in a way the 7 mm RM doesn't.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 03:15 PM
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Anyways, I appreciate the responses. Is there any glaring difference besides size between a 338 and 300 Wm? I’ve heard 338 tends to drop a lot more where 300 is flatter. No experience with either though .338 WM does sink faster than the .30 cal. If ever you thought about playing at distance, or killing hogs at distance, the .30 cal is going to do a better job retaining velocity and slipping the wind. When the .338 does a better job, is when it is loaded in a larger case, the .338 Lapua Mag, .338 Norma Mag, .338 Edge. That is a completely different action, and a larger case head though.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 03:33 PM
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Western and Rocky Mountain game shooters"... Some thoughts from "back in the day"
Brown Bear come in 2 noticable differeneces...Coastal aka Kodiak's are usually bigtime larger critters than the Interior Brownies that do not live on a steady Salmon diet... IMO and I'd use a 338Wmg as a minimum. I sold the Alaska Fishing Guide Assc a run of a couple dozen SAKO 375H&H in Mickey stock carbinbe's that weighed 7lb's bare nekkind with iron sight's, set up to facilitiate use by a fly fishermen as carry as a over the shoulder rifle that would not interfere with a fly rod's use. Shot the little gun sample I had a box or 2 to demo it and it would lift me of the bench about 5-6"s from a seated position...but off hand was a "lovely and very accurate shooter" as long as you kept your feet & shooting form properly placed.
Lots of my Rep buddy's from the Rocky's in those days used 270,30'06,7Rmg, 300Wmg for their great average rifle for deer family critters, and our sister Dist Co in Denver sold as many non mag calibers as we did in the Texas market....but outsold us in 338's by a factor of 5 or 6 times as dedicated Elk or Black and occasional Brown bear guns.
I kept a pair of guns in those days as a Go Anywhere in Texas and the Rockies in a 270 & 300Wmg, as the 270's 130gr's and the 300's 165gr's have about the same drop at out to 500 yards, and the 270's 150's & the 300's 180's same way 2nd verse in those pre range finder/BDC days when I depended on God's Mk I eyeball's and learned muscle memory holds on game shots from field practice.
Today for a 2 gun battery I'd look at bullet performace paradigns along those lines in whatever calibers/Rifle brands I was comfortable shooting and could afford....but for a dedicated Brown Bear rifle a I would be carrying an All Weather 375 H&H or something that would reach more better for a Brown Bear Charge Stopper...as you cannot out run one and he's NOT afraid of you. Ron
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 03:37 PM
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My bet is nothing would be safe at the end of a 200 gr Nosler Partition out of a .300 Win Mag.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/24/17 03:43 PM
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Almost no one uses less than .338 for the big bears. I would guess the .375 H&H or Ruger is the choice for the vast majority. Tracking/following up on a grizzly in alders is not very fun.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 04:20 PM
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9.3x62 just to add some nostalgia to the discussion.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 04:42 PM
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Work on your tracking skills before buying a bigger rifle to go hunting in the West.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/24/17 08:17 PM
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Western and Rocky Mountain game shooters"... Some thoughts from "back in the day"
Brown Bear come in 2 noticable differeneces...Coastal aka Kodiak's are usually bigtime larger critters than the Interior Brownies that do not live on a steady Salmon diet... IMO and I'd use a 338Wmg as a minimum. I sold the Alaska Fishing Guide Assc a run of a couple dozen SAKO 375H&H in Mickey stock carbinbe's that weighed 7lb's bare nekkind with iron sight's, set up to facilitiate use by a fly fishermen as carry as a over the shoulder rifle that would not interfere with a fly rod's use. Shot the little gun sample I had a box or 2 to demo it and it would lift me of the bench about 5-6"s from a seated position...but off hand was a "lovely and very accurate shooter" as long as you kept your feet & shooting form properly placed.
Lots of my Rep buddy's from the Rocky's in those days used 270,30'06,7Rmg, 300Wmg for their great average rifle for deer family critters, and our sister Dist Co in Denver sold as many non mag calibers as we did in the Texas market....but outsold us in 338's by a factor of 5 or 6 times as dedicated Elk or Black and occasional Brown bear guns.
I kept a pair of guns in those days as a Go Anywhere in Texas and the Rockies in a 270 & 300Wmg, as the 270's 130gr's and the 300's 165gr's have about the same drop at out to 500 yards, and the 270's 150's & the 300's 180's same way 2nd verse in those pre range finder/BDC days when I depended on God's Mk I eyeball's and learned muscle memory holds on game shots from field practice.
Today for a 2 gun battery I'd look at bullet performace paradigns along those lines in whatever calibers/Rifle brands I was comfortable shooting and could afford....but for a dedicated Brown Bear rifle a I would be carrying an All Weather 375 H&H or something that would reach more better for a Brown Bear Charge Stopper...as you cannot out run one and he's NOT afraid of you. Ron Wow that’s a pretty good argument for a larger caliber. It wouldn’t be a dedicated brown bear gun, but if I’m out hunting another animal and see one I’d like to live to tell the story. The wife is looking at Alaska specifically so I will need some piss in the rifle
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
[Re: Ryan06]
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11/24/17 08:38 PM
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As an alternative, my go to is a 300wsm
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/24/17 09:28 PM
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I also really like the 9.3x62 and had one that was a MOA shooter, untuned, even at my avg 300 yard max hunting ranges in a CZ 550 American. I'd bought it instead of a 338 or the 375 Holland I thought I wanted and could not afford the one I wanted, but it is not the same performance on DG critters despite what I hear from the guys that go across the pond regularly.
At the time I was looking at using it primarily in the Rockies and possibly Africa for thin skinned plains game as a dedicated Elk/Black and occasional Brown Bear rifle....and is sweet and easy on WTails too...you could eat right up to the entry & exits holes even with the soft Speer 270gr gr'ers I was using. Today I'd buy another one if my shooting shoulder had not finally cratered from the '06 surgery....plus I am too old and beatup to even think about the Rockies anymore. Ron
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/24/17 10:58 PM
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/26/17 12:53 PM
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Shot my BB with a 7mm, shot many elk with 7mm and now 300 wsm, never a problem on game that size. I have a buddy who has hunted almost every corner of the earth and can afford any firearm he wants, he prefers his T encore in 300 wm and has take several big bears, one huge book bear on Kodiak. Not sure how many moose he has taken, but a few with the same rifle. Side note, surprised no one said use a .223 it will do anything
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/26/17 05:34 PM
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Shot my BB with a 7mm, shot many elk with 7mm and now 300 wsm, never a problem on game that size. I have a buddy who has hunted almost every corner of the earth and can afford any firearm he wants, he prefers his T encore in 300 wm and has take several big bears, one huge book bear on Kodiak. Not sure how many moose he has taken, but a few with the same rifle. Side note, surprised no one said use a .223 it will do anything I could do it with a 22LR, but I didn’t want to brag
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/27/17 04:00 PM
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Shot my BB with a 7mm, shot many elk with 7mm and now 300 wsm, never a problem on game that size. I have a buddy who has hunted almost every corner of the earth and can afford any firearm he wants, he prefers his T encore in 300 wm and has take several big bears, one huge book bear on Kodiak. Not sure how many moose he has taken, but a few with the same rifle. Side note, surprised no one said use a .223 it will do anything I could do it with a 22LR, but I didn’t want to brag Your being too modest, you could do it with a 22 short, in a crosswind, at 1000 yards, in the eye....
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/27/17 04:30 PM
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I would be tempted to do it all with the 270.
A few years ago I was doing the same thing you are now. I bought a 300 wby and have shot a few hogs and white tails with it and that's it.
How far are typical shots at moose/bear? would it be practical to pick up a modern rifle chambered in 45-70? 400+ grains of lead packs a lot of punch when not loaded down to trap door levels. There was a hunting show a while back on where the hunter was taking game with an iron sight 3030 and he shot moose and bear I believe without issue.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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When I was younger we lived in Alaska for several years and my Dad and Grandpa did a lot of hunting for moose, caribou, sheep, and bear. The biggest gun my Dad has ever owned is his 300 WM and my Grandpa a Remington 742 in 30-06. Neither one of them had any problem killing all of the above with those calibers, including a Grizzly that charged them while moose hunting. Turned out the Grizz had a belly full of porcupine quills that had really put him in a bad mood....luckily they put it down before he got to them.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/27/17 10:14 PM
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forget the 223 , how about a 22 rimfire ? MO
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/29/17 05:03 PM
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After looking at a few different rifles and seeing these comments, i have a bit of a love affair with the Kimber montana 300 wm. I think thats the route to go.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/29/17 05:12 PM
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Caution with Kimber rifles.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/29/17 07:06 PM
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After looking at a few different rifles and seeing these comments, i have a bit of a love affair with the Kimber montana 300 wm. I think thats the route to go. Terrible idea
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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11/29/17 07:12 PM
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You want a true to life love affair, then get a .378 wby.
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Re: What caliber for big game(bigger than white tails)?
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If you want a Kimber, I say "go for it". I personally love them. They are a high quality rifle. You just need to know how to shoot a light rifle. Some guys can't shoot something unless it weighs more than 10 lbs, is supported by bags or a bipod, and they are sitting at a bench. When you hunt somewhere other than a blind, a rifle is carried a heck of a lot more than it is shot. It becomes a tool to assist in the completion of your question. Kimber makes a good tool...
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