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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 12:18 AM
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I have a few jacks that come to eat with my Ibex in the mornings when I feed.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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When I was young we were told by a guy leasing graze from us that 2 rabbits ate as much as one sheep. We used to ride around our place at night in a 63 Chevy pickup and shoot them out of the back with shotguns. There were a few nights of 50+ on 1200 acres in Mills County.
Starting last year, the numbers are really coming back up from the drought. We may need to start killing some again.
I don't know if the 2-rabbit bit is true but they are eating machines.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 02:29 AM
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I heard that 12 will eat as much as one cow. No idea whether that is even close to true. I do know their population pretty much has a seven year cycle. Population will rise, they will eat themselves out of house and home, as it rises, so will your coyote and other predator populations. Population will crash to where the fittest survive and then the cycle repeats.
They are almost as flea infested as javelinas.
Used to try to shoot their ears with .38 Special wadcutters so there would be a hole in them that let the light through so I wouldn't shoot the same one again.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 03:20 AM
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17hmr has got to eat too. I'll have twenty running in front of the fourwheeler coming back from the stands in the back of the property in the evening. I'm sure a little thinning keeps things in check.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 03:26 AM
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I heard that 12 will eat as much as one cow. No idea whether that is even close to true. I do know their population pretty much has a seven year cycle. Population will rise, they will eat themselves out of house and home, as it rises, so will your coyote and other predator populations. Population will crash to where the fittest survive and then the cycle repeats.
They are almost as flea infested as javelinas.
Used to try to shoot their ears with .38 Special wadcutters so there would be a hole in them that let the light through so I wouldn't shoot the same one again. Whole life that's what we where told, we would lay the fire to them in the panhandle. Old friend of mine had a annual JR round up on his NM ranch every year, for 50 years, you can kill a lot of JR on 100k acres, but you couldn't kill them out apparently cuz he tried!!! We could knock back just not eliminate them
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 03:50 AM
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 04:15 AM
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 12:15 PM
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I've heard they can put the hurt on a water source if In numbers Interesting that you brought that up! It just dawned on me that I've never seen a wild rabbit Jack or cottontail drinking water at any of the ponds. I know they will drink when available from puddles in the road and pretty sure they get the majority of fluids from the vegetation they consume.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 12:40 PM
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in the 40's and early 50's they were devas ting wheat, in S.W. Ks.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 12:45 PM
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If you have large numbers, I could see the impact on the range. I can't imagine a handfull having much impact.
As for helping or hurting predator populations, it seems like a double-edged sword, to me. More rabbits gives them something to eat besides deer and livestock, but increases their numbers. Fewer rabbits can decrease numbers, but could turn their focus to deer and livestock.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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07/09/17 01:44 PM
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Eat as much as a cow; I would have some serious doubts.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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I've heard they can put the hurt on a water source if In numbers Interesting that you brought that up! It just dawned on me that I've never seen a wild rabbit Jack or cottontail drinking water at any of the ponds. I know they will drink when available from puddles in the road and pretty sure they get the majority of fluids from the vegetation they consume. Same as a prairie dog. Seen thousands of dogs many miles from a water source. Hot, dry, high plains. I figured they got water from what they ate.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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If you have large numbers, I could see the impact on the range. I can't imagine a handfull having much impact.
As for helping or hurting predator populations, it seems like a double-edged sword, to me. More rabbits gives them something to eat besides deer and livestock, but increases their numbers. Fewer rabbits can decrease numbers, but could turn their focus to deer and livestock. Like I said earlier, Jack Rabbit's ain't easy to catch, they'll outrun coyotes and most dog's. I'll shoot 2 to 3 dozens coyotes a year and that number seems to be pretty constant. The rabbits and several other species seem to fluctuate considerably whether I'm shooting them or not. Killed a couple of hundred Jacks last year and none this year but with the ranch as wet as it's been I expect another explosive year next year. During the winter Jack Rabbits will hole up and wait out the bad weather and only come out on the warmest of days leaving them pretty safe from Coyotes. Mice, rat's and Cottontails seem to be their primary food source.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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Jack rabbits eat as much and drink as much as a full grown cow!!! And here I thought it was the drought the reason I had no grass or water.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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Jack rabbits eat as much and drink as much as a full grown cow!!! And here I thought it was the drought the reason I had no grass or water.  not ta mention the grasshoppers & fireants...  been using me 410 with #8's on the hoppers,  lightly ta a slight crunch along with the ants & dip in melted chocholet, makes ya wanna have sommores...  usualy take few ant-acids for up set stomick ... 
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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An endurance runner in good condition can outrun and catch a jackrabbit in good condition if the man can keep the same rabbit in sight, just as a man can outrun a deer if he can keep the deer in sight.
Jackrabbits do not live in burrows nor birth their young in burrows nor do they dig burrows.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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Cows can graze up to 130 lbs/day (from an oregon forages website) Cotton tail rabbits can eat up to 42% body weight in grass daily in summer or about 1-1.5 lb (pennsylvania dnr web site)... not really a fair comparison because they graze differently BUT it looks like a 100 rabbits eat about as much as 1 cow
sheep graze 2-5% body weight daily , 150 lb ewe -> 3-8 lbs/day or the equivalent 3-5 rabbits goats graze 3-5 % body weight (midwestgrass.com)
cows, sheep, rabbits do not graze on exactly the same plants or in the same manner (eg height of plant )
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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Jackrabbits do not live in burrows nor birth their young in burrows nor do they dig burrows. Nope but they will damn sure use them in cold weather, they'll hole up with the Prairie Dog's on the south end of the ranch and use old Badger holes on the other parts of the ranch. The closest they come to digging is a shallow depression called a Form usually in the shade, they'll keep scratching it down to get to the cooler dirt. That's about all they do for a nest also.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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An endurance runner in good condition can outrun and catch a jackrabbit in good condition if the man can keep the same rabbit in sight, just as a man can outrun a deer if he can keep the deer in sight.
Jackrabbits do not live in burrows nor birth their young in burrows nor do they dig burrows. Seems like coyotes would have no trouble with them then. Nothing in Texas can play that game better than a coyote.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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An endurance runner in good condition can outrun and catch a jackrabbit in good condition if the man can keep the same rabbit in sight, just as a man can outrun a deer if he can keep the deer in sight.
Jackrabbits do not live in burrows nor birth their young in burrows nor do they dig burrows. Seems like coyotes would have no trouble with them then. Nothing in Texas can play that game better than a coyote.  did some cross-country running back in the day...  as for the jack problems, prefured the  cant out run a bullet... farmers apreciated the help as mentioned in earlier post...  did i ever tells ya about me jack-alope fighting back in the day ?  they cross between a jack & an antalope, got ta let em grow several years before they start developing the rack, rumor has it they grow bigger behind a HF... jack-a-lope as pappy says: proof tis in the pudding , while back had posted pic in photo forum... got it in photobucket , hear they charging now, times is tough....
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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An endurance runner in good condition can outrun and catch a jackrabbit in good condition if the man can keep the same rabbit in sight, just as a man can outrun a deer if he can keep the deer in sight.
Jackrabbits do not live in burrows nor birth their young in burrows nor do they dig burrows. Seems like coyotes would have no trouble with them then. Nothing in Texas can play that game better than a coyote. Jacks can hit around 45 mph with the advantage of getting lost quick, Yotes damn near as fast but not sure it has the acceleration a Jack does. Plus it's harder to keep something in sight the closer you are to the ground. I've only witness a yote chasing a Jack Rabbit one time and they both started out about the same distance from the fence but the Jack got there quicker and shot right through the 4 inch wire. The Yote went down the fence and found a way under but the Jack was long gone by then. I was amazed just how much air time a Jack can get, they launch! I've never seen a Coyote jump a fence but I've seen 2 Red Fox do it, both times it was sheep wire.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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Cows can graze up to 130 lbs/day (from an oregon forages website) Cotton tail rabbits can eat up to 42% body weight in grass daily in summer or about 1-1.5 lb (pennsylvania dnr web site)... not really a fair comparison because they graze differently BUT it looks like a 100 rabbits eat about as much as 1 cow
sheep graze 2-5% body weight daily , 150 lb ewe -> 3-8 lbs/day or the equivalent 3-5 rabbits goats graze 3-5 % body weight (midwestgrass.com)
cows, sheep, rabbits do not graze on exactly the same plants or in the same manner (eg height of plant ) Sheep and rabbits most definitely graze on the same plants, and deer as well to some extent.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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An endurance runner in good condition can outrun and catch a jackrabbit in good condition if the man can keep the same rabbit in sight, just as a man can outrun a deer if he can keep the deer in sight.
Jackrabbits do not live in burrows nor birth their young in burrows nor do they dig burrows. Seems like coyotes would have no trouble with them then. Nothing in Texas can play that game better than a coyote. Jacks can hit around 45 mph with the advantage of getting lost quick, Yotes damn near as fast but not sure it has the acceleration a Jack does. Plus it's harder to keep something in sight the closer you are to the ground. I've only witness a yote chasing a Jack Rabbit one time and they both started out about the same distance from the fence but the Jack got there quicker and shot right through the 4 inch wire. The Yote went down the fence and found a way under but the Jack was long gone by then. I was amazed just how much air time a Jack can get, they launch! I've never seen a Coyote jump a fence but I've seen 2 Red Fox do it, both times it was sheep wire. I don't have jacks so am not real familiar with them. I like theranchers way of thinking to leave some if coyotes eat them and they don't get totally out of hand. It would surprise me if they don't utilize them, especially the little ones. Yotes are pretty darn good adaptive predators/scavengers.
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Re: Why relentlessly kill jackrabbits?
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Yotes are pretty darn good adaptive predators/scavengers.
 just think what a yote could do if had a rifle with scope...  was at walmart the other day with my cousin looken at rifles... Found one he liked, did back ground check...  they turned him down !!!  his name is Willie E. Yote ... 
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