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Flash hider for nv? #6783582 06/04/17 09:55 PM
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I've just put together a new rifle and am looking for advice regarding .30cal flash hiders that would be compatible with a nv scope to eliminate whiteout. I've read that that the tube styles work well, as well as the open ended canister types that direct the flash straight forward. What do you guys use, and how do you like what you have? Since there are hundreds of different types, a picture of what you have would be great.

I've been reading about the closed tube styles, does anyone use one of this style... http://www.alumalite-usa.com/shop/viewitem.php?productid=65

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Re: Flash hider for nv? [Re: Dragonuv] #6783604 06/04/17 10:18 PM
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A flash hider won't help whiteout. It will prevent the extremely short duration flash you may see, but whiteout most often occurs when using an IR illuminator to help your night vision see better. Particularly when conditions are calm, the smoke from your fired shot or shots will hang in the air in front of you and will reflect the light off of your IR illuminator, causing whiteout. This may last from a half a second to three or four seconds.

A flash hider is a good idea, but you may experience whiteout still if you are using an illuminator.


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Re: Flash hider for nv? [Re: Dragonuv] #6783686 06/05/17 12:27 AM
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I agree with DNS's post. The best thing you can do is get your illumination off the rifle somehow. I fought the same problem when I was shooting an X-sight.


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Re: Flash hider for nv? [Re: Dragonuv] #6784156 06/05/17 03:17 PM
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I think the OP was asking about something to help mitigate the muzzle flash that causes a whiteout immediately after the shot.

If so, I might can help you.
I have been using digital NV for quite a few years and have tried a bunch of different muzzle breaks/flash hiders with them.
One of the most effective I have used is also one of the cheapest....the good ole A1 military version.
Who would have thought the US Govt would have something that actually works....
You have probably seen the A2 version which is solid on the bottom.
The A1 version has grooves all the way around and does quite well and follow up shots are very fast.
I had a Troy Claymore on my NV gun for a couple of nights and can say that thing was a flamethrower....next to impossible to get a second shot due to muzzle flash!

As a reference, some one posted this excellent link a few months back.
Flash Hider Shootout


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Re: Flash hider for nv? [Re: Vern1] #6784596 06/05/17 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: Vern1
I think the OP was asking about something to help mitigate the muzzle flash that causes a whiteout immediately after the shot.


I don't think I misunderstood his post, as I posted pretty much the same question about 9 months ago. I bought the best flash suppressor I could find, the issue is IR smoke illumination, not the flash of the round going off.


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Re: Flash hider for nv? [Re: CharlieCTx] #6784634 06/06/17 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: CharlieCTx
Originally Posted By: Vern1
I think the OP was asking about something to help mitigate the muzzle flash that causes a whiteout immediately after the shot.


I don't think I misunderstood his post, as I posted pretty much the same question about 9 months ago. I bought the best flash suppressor I could find, the issue is IR smoke illumination, not the flash of the round going off.


That's interesting CharlieTx!
I don't think I have ever had that problem, only muzzle flash which the A1 pretty much eliminated.
What kind of powder are you using that produces that much smoke?
I'm running AA2200 in my 6.8's and don't seem to have any perceptible smoke night or day.
And for sure not enough to mess with my NV.


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Re: Flash hider for nv? [Re: Vern1] #6784897 06/06/17 04:12 AM
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No fancy loads, just ordinary Winchester .308 150 grain Powerpoint rounds.

Where is your illuminator mounted?


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Re: Flash hider for nv? [Re: Vern1] #6784903 06/06/17 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted By: Vern1
I think the OP was asking about something to help mitigate the muzzle flash that causes a whiteout immediately after the shot.

If so, I might can help you.
I have been using digital NV for quite a few years and have tried a bunch of different muzzle breaks/flash hiders with them.
One of the most effective I have used is also one of the cheapest....the good ole A1 military version.
Who would have thought the US Govt would have something that actually works....
You have probably seen the A2 version which is solid on the bottom.
The A1 version has grooves all the way around and does quite well and follow up shots are very fast.
I had a Troy Claymore on my NV gun for a couple of nights and can say that thing was a flamethrower....next to impossible to get a second shot due to muzzle flash!

As a reference, some one posted this excellent link a few months back.
Flash Hider Shootout

Yes, sir, Vern1, that's correct. I see now that "whiteout" probably wasn't the term I was looking for. I apologize for the misunderstanding. I was referring to the flash...kind of like when you walk from a bright outside to a dark inside. It's the initial flash that gets me. I don't have the best eyes to start with, but after that first shot it takes my eyes a few seconds to rebound from the brightness. I've never had an issue with the reflection off the smoke, it's just that initial burst of light from the muzzle that gets me.

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Originally Posted By: CharlieCTx
No fancy loads, just ordinary Winchester .308 150 grain Powerpoint rounds.

Where is your illuminator mounted?


Usually use the onboard illuminator as the laser on my Pulsar N750A has 3 levels and is quite bright on 3.
On the gun with the Photon, depending on range/light, I will sometimes use the onboard illuminator.
When it's too dark or range is too far, I have a variety of IR torches I mount on the left front of the 12" foregrip.

And for Dragonuv, here is a shot of the A1 birdcage I use on my 6.8.
Notice the dissipater grooves are cut around the perimeter.
You can pick these up for around 10 bux but will have to look harder for an A1.
The later model A2 birdcage didn't have the dissipater grooves on bottom so it wouldn't stir up dust when shooting prone and also counteract muzzle rise when firing.


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I've been looking at the linear compensator/brakes. Something like the DPMS Levang in a .308 caliber. Even considered turning the A-2 upside down.


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Originally Posted By: yotehater
I've been looking at the linear compensator/brakes. Something like the DPMS Levang in a .308 caliber. Even considered turning the A-2 upside down.


Check that flash hider shootout link I posted above.
That's funny...I did run an A2 upside down for a while but on my 6.8.
The A1 seems to work a little than the A2.

I had a Troy Claymore on my 6.8 and the flash bloom would result in massive white-out.
The Claymore is a forward biased linear compensator and was a flamethrower.
It's listed in that shootout, near the bright end of the spectrum....LOL!
I do use the Claymore on both of my day guns.


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Vern, how did the A2 work upside down? I'll check out the link, thanks.


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Originally Posted By: yotehater
Vern, how did the A2 work upside down? I'll check out the link, thanks.


I did it on my 6.8.
It added a little muzzle rise with ports on bottom and none on top.
I didn't see a lot of difference as far as flash in the NV but I shot it on two different nights so the ambient light may have been different.
The A1 flash seems a little less than the A2 because it has more vents.


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