None of which has anything to do with TX whitetail breeder operations. Neither does animal "farming" in general. The NACM is about the care and conservation of wild, free ranging animals in their natural, wild environs. That in a few instances animals were temporarily kept and/or bred in enclosures before re-introduction into the wild doesn't have squat to do with TX deer farming. Zip. Zero. Nada.

You think Roosevelt, Bird-Grinnell, Leopold, et. al. (who articulated and developed the NACM) would like TX deer farming? Hint: read their books. Learn whereof you speak.

I don't like arguing but it's just hard to let conflating the pioneering and transformational work of NA wildlife conservation and deer farming for private profit go. They could hardly be more polar opposite endeavors with more polar opposite motivations.

in the OP, it say's: 32 incaptivity were found with CWD & only 18 in wild...
in this thread, see the words, industry, farming, antler size, & blame on LF ...

yet, in 83 whin moved to area was buck only, no doe permits, not enough deer...Then around 2010 or so, its Smith County LF area, ir went to 4 deer county...
did they relocate deer? got D- in grammer yet, dont take away what some have acomplished...
Have said: use the BBT ... when person shoots a legal buck, the other deer get educated...Got all my deer tags hung on wall, & whenn it went 4 deer, still grabbed my pbow & hung my stand down at OSBWMA... Lower Class Hunters can make a differance... As pappy says: theirs more to hunting than just the big bucks

I have read the books, apparently I have a much more in depth non filtered view then you do.
. Actually let me correct that I have a much more level head non-imaginary non-romantic view. NACM has to do with establishing laws and practices to continue the sustainability of game animals.

You hold a market gunner as the epicenter of all things Conservation. He conserved what frindge habitat we had left. That's a product of serious regret. He nor Leopold gave us the saved seed populations that where used to repopulate NA, PRIVATE LANDOWNERS did.

Fact, I at my limited age, have seen larger herds of elk, bision, pronghorn and white tails then what Roosevelt or Leopold have. Recovery numbers provided not by fringe habitat but by private land owners.

Rarity and sadden by the loss of Animals is a reformed Market gunner trait, that now regrets his conquests that have left wildlife on Threatened status.

Your conservation view mirrors the same as the concrete encrusted Americans and Europeans have of Yellowstone as the great wild frontier. It's a zoo, nothing more nothing less. It's not wild, it's manufactured.

You can't take a practice that single handily provided the seeds of recovery and label it as nothing to do with the NA conservation Model. You can say that the practice is no longer needed for some animals, but denying its use is ignorant at best.

Im happy that Roosevelt had a coming to Jesus and realized that his and others practices where leading to the loose of species for future generations, I'm happy he found away to preserve the remaining fringe habitat from development, and put it into limited use. Im happy that our wildlife is protected from over "harvest" via game laws built on continued health and sustainability of our game animals.

Where did the deer come from before you moved there. Is their DNA specific to only that area or a couple of places with in Texas and the US?

I've said my piece. I think it was clear. I'm endeavoring to avoid the "Lather, rinse, repeat." days of old.

So feel free to continue to elucidate what is clearly - no matter how many words you dump into the hopper to create your smokescreens.

You can declare victory now.

You are endeavoring to manifest a delusional view that agriculture pre-dates animal husbandry, which is the foundation of our understanding and management of Animals.

You are also delusional in thinking that a farmer always sells/eats/feeds all his seed........ b/c, eventually there would be no seed left(saved or bought)to plant.

just an uneducated guess, mother natute ?
Things have changed here also... When i grew up, farm land, people also raised livestock cattle, horses, hogs, all LF out doors with barn or some kind of shelter ta get out of bad weather... Now, they have big hog barns, workers have ta shower in between going from barn to barn... They have more problems with desieses vs old way...
32 vs 18 #'ers dont lie... acording to your question, their were no deer in Smith County .
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edit: that might be a good educational TOPIC... Where did deer come from ?

NP wants to confine the term "farming deer" to the current state of deer breeding in Texas. Which of course he does to protect his agenda.

When in fact man has been farming cervids for many decades. And when viewed from the correct inclusive perspective one can see BoBo's point.

NP and Don are correct in that the market is changing (mostly of course because they agree with me and I'm always right), and the race to grow pure mass is virtually over. But make no mistake, there is still a huge market for mid range "farmed" mainframes.

And that market is growing and will be serviced. Deer farming is here to stay. And has been around for a REALLY long time. Don can't even remember when it began.

You have he ability to find an Internet forum dedicated to Texas hunting/hunters but don't know how to compare historical Trichinosis rates in domesticated hogs?

Do our hogs have more diseases or is the speed and reaching ability of the Media make it only appear that way?

You want to know where your post screw worm deer came from, research it. To understand the North American conservative model you have to know how we got to "why" we needed it and what the early stages where. More to why a race is won, then just the last 50 yards.

When one calls themselves a hunter conservationist it means way more then a donation and buying a hunter license

as pappy say's: got D- in grammer ... Have put forth an effort ta make sure my spelling & punctuation is correct... people get offended cause I just try ta be me, no one else wants the job... kind a like when got hired at foundry, making that easy money... using an idiot stick...
are you saying i'm not a conservationist ? cause I don't buy into your theary ?

I actually remember some doing it before it was legal.

Knowing the history of the animals we hunt isn't theory. Being able to show how hunters are the driving force in the preservation of sustainable populations of wildlife is being a true conservationist.

Don't want to help the non hunting public understand how hunting is conservation? cool enjoy your time outdoors.

No doubt. I do too. But I was referring to the broader definition of "farming". Been going on longer than you and I have.

For purposes of this thread, I'm talking about farming deer, not HF in general. Anybody with a brain and no agenda to push knows what I'm talking about.

The phrase is not "confined" or "confining" to anyone but those seeking to expand it to include what goes on with actual wildlife conservation of wild, free ranging animals. Which endeavor is, in short, nonsensical.

Just don't cotton to trying to make that sow's ear into a silk purse by spitting on the graves of actual conservationists.

as pappy say's few can walk in my shoes, i gots small feet ...
as said in my posts, it was buck only county when moved their in 83, 2010 or so it went ta 4 deer county, Thanks for the complement, & i do enjoy the outdoors, also support high fence, took my kids & grandkids ta the zoo...

Actual wild conservation of wild.... lol

Just because you don't understand the actual history and animal husbandry that happened to bring the NACM to what it is today is no reason to get upset.


In one year he slew 512 beasts including 17 lion, 11 elephant and 20 rhinoceros....... conservationist.... does that mean going abroad to slaughter/kill because at that time Game numbers in the US where in a downward spiral, with many species ultimately becoming extinct in the next 10 years....... he didn't implement game laws or the NACM. Elk in Texas went extinct after he took office and left office.


The midnight forests are some of the most treasured places in America and it was by far one of the greasiest political moves in the history of the US. I am for ever great full. But he is still a market gunner

Outstanding, I've been to Yellowstone also.

some good info on this thread... As hunters, conservation plays big part for future generations... At area had my set up, used the walmart, they size of brick, mineral licks, acorn, corn, & apple flavor... Deer hit them most in the warmer weather... Used to dig hole so they sit flush with ground along deer trails... Worked good... Around the 90's seen first sign of hogs, my set up, deer food plot was up against creek, with spinner throughing corn as a dinner bell... After seeing hog sign, stoped putting the minneral bricks on ground & started putting them out of reach of hogs... Ta prevent spreading of dieses... Not sure how CWD spreads... Hogs eat every thing deer does, used the PVC gravity feeders for corn, although whin hogs would show up on cams, did broad cast corn ta put down hogs...
What effect will come of hogs sharing the corn thrown on ground... realuze some areas have their feeders in pen were keep out hogs, cattle, livestock... just my i got cheap posts... Too often threads get locked down cause of differance of opinions... Need tear down fences & keep an open mind...

We have a hot spot here in Missouri (on the border of Randolph and Macon Counties). Seems some 'wildlife rancher' decided it would be a good idea to buy some deer and elk for his ranch. Not wanting it to cost much he bypassed the import rules. State Dept of Ag found out and required testing of said animals. SURPRISE- over half of them tested positive not only for CWD but brucelosis (sp?). Before Ag Dept had time to act a storm came thru and a tree fell across the fence AND SICK ANIMALS GOT OUT! Have had a few cases of CWD not in that area, but 90% came from there. Missouri had mandatory testing the first weekend of last season in counties around the hot spot. Son and I had 4 tested- none came back positive.

Comical!

its me again the snowflake as pappy once said: person with an open mind has a wider point of view...
Recently noticed in Deer Hunting section, last post was about CWD... 99% time i stay out of that section, think had two threads, culling & debaiting if remember right... Got on forum ta see if anyone was up for a hog hunt on public land...
in this discussion, was asked were i thought deer come from... ta all the deer farmers, with out them theired be no deer in ...

In OP , paraphrasing :



man plays no roll i could have been culling 4 deer

Which part?

Does Missouri test any other counties?