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 Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/22/17 12:44 PM
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I'm pretty confident if you drew the tag they will fix this. I have always had real good luck when I've contacted the department about anything. They always answered my questions and were friendly. I'd just give them a call Monday and see what's up.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/22/17 01:00 PM
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When I was hunting Montana fairly often there was an outfitter sponsored license available at extra cost but guarantee of draw, Those included license and tags. Then I would apply for a pronghorn tag and was sometimes successful and most times not. After the draw for pronghorn there were always pronghorn doe tags available for the district I was hunting.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
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04/22/17 04:37 PM
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I don't hunt/support states that do draw hunts. If everyone did it too they would all go back to OTC. I couldn't disagree more with this statement. OTC will decimate a population quick in states that are highly sought after. Some states dont have population resources like the WT population that TX has. Can you imagine what Iowa's WT population would look like with OTC tags for NR? Many NR's will kill a young animal just to say they killed on their trip and feel successful. The Iowa DNR does a great job of managing their deer herd. AZ does a great job managing their elk herd. IMO, more states should model their lotteries like Iowa. I say this and I hunt out of state every yr and this would hurt my hunting opportunities but I would support it. This is just my opinion and not supported by facts in any way. To the OP, best of luck figuring this out.  as a low income hunter , always hearing about how bad times are from those who have it better... If it was legal, it was successful... He payed for the tag... 
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: cmc]
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04/22/17 05:41 PM
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I'm pretty confident if you drew the tag they will fix this. I have always had real good luck when I've contacted the department about anything. They always answered my questions and were friendly. I'd just give them a call Monday and see what's up. Wait and watch...this should be interesting.....
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: 1860.colt]
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04/22/17 06:10 PM
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I don't hunt/support states that do draw hunts. If everyone did it too they would all go back to OTC. I couldn't disagree more with this statement. OTC will decimate a population quick in states that are highly sought after. Some states dont have population resources like the WT population that TX has. Can you imagine what Iowa's WT population would look like with OTC tags for NR? Many NR's will kill a young animal just to say they killed on their trip and feel successful. The Iowa DNR does a great job of managing their deer herd. AZ does a great job managing their elk herd. IMO, more states should model their lotteries like Iowa. I say this and I hunt out of state every yr and this would hurt my hunting opportunities but I would support it. This is just my opinion and not supported by facts in any way. To the OP, best of luck figuring this out. as a low income hunter , always hearing about how bad times are from those who have it better... If it was legal, it was successful... He payed for the tag... Completely agree with you wether tx or Montana or NM etc.... but at the end of the day, only two ways to control populations and insure game animals as a sustainable resource. First option tag numbers based of success percentage, second non-native alpha predators. Which would you rather have?
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/22/17 06:22 PM
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There's a balance. Both from a conservation perspective and a hunter type (trophy vs. opportunity). IMO most states do a good job at trying to hit that balance. One or two IMO obviously don't.
Truth is, a diligent hunter who does his homework can set up a program where they can go on several western hunts every year if they want to - with most years even having a LE hunt opportunity or two. It's all about knowing and playing the system correctly. Many will say "Yeah, but application costs are high, tags are high, etc." True, but we are not talking tens of thousands per year, but a few - say the difference between driving a new truck every 2-3 years or buying a cheaper one/driving one longer. That sort of thing.
In many ways, the good old days are right now - with a little planning/strategy.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/23/17 11:59 AM
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NP is right there's a ton of opportunities out there and most aren't as expensive as you think if you do the work on your own, both at the desk and on the mountain. I was overwhelmed at first thinking I could never survive in the mountains or hike those miles or even find a deer or elk but if you are a hunter the skills you have will translate to anywhere. Now before everybody gets all pissy at me I mean no disrespect to anyone but when I say hunter I don't mean sit in your stand and watch corn, I mean get out there and hump it. Walk the miles, pack the gear, learn to quarter on the ground, understand the consequences when you pull the trigger. A mile is a long ways with an elk quarter on your back after you've hiked all day. You can pay for a hunt with your money or you can pay with your sweat but either way you are gonna pay. This is not a cheap game we play.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: cmc]
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04/23/17 04:33 PM
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NP is right there's a ton of opportunities out there and most aren't as expensive as you think if you do the work on your own, both at the desk and on the mountain. I was overwhelmed at first thinking I could never survive in the mountains or hike those miles or even find a deer or elk but if you are a hunter the skills you have will translate to anywhere. Now before everybody gets all pissy at me I mean no disrespect to anyone but when I say hunter I don't mean sit in your stand and watch corn, I mean get out there and hump it. Walk the miles, pack the gear, learn to quarter on the ground, understand the consequences when you pull the trigger. A mile is a long ways with an elk quarter on your back after you've hiked all day. You can pay for a hunt with your money or you can pay with your sweat but either way you are gonna pay. This is not a cheap game we play. A lot of people on this forum don't know you can hunt four states a year, and with splitting travel expenses with a buddy it would cost you under 4K. Four weeks of hunting four states for 4K. I think the wall for most aren't the physical aspects, it's just the general idea of not knowing where to start. If I had enough vacation I could hunt elk, mule deer, pronghorn, and bear four weeks via four states for under 4K every year.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
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04/23/17 05:11 PM
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BOBO - Write the book, I suggest "Applying for western hunts for Dummies" as a title, subtitle "4 states, 4 species, $4 grand", promote it and, bada-bing bada-boom, you now have enough vacation time.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/23/17 06:30 PM
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BOBO - Write the book, I suggest "Applying for western hunts for Dummies" as a title, subtitle "4 states, 4 species, $4 grand", promote it and, bada-bing bada-boom, you now have enough vacation time. First Could you image just my "grammar check" bill... plus you gots lots of people out there already selling info like that...EPIC, GoHunt, Hunt'in fools, Eastmans, etc. For the ones that truly just want to hunt and don't have the ability to increase success odds via other avenues the is enough information out there via the web, that if people just sent a Saturday checking it out, the could map out a hell of a hunting vacation strategy NM hates NR, but there are several units and tag options that pretty much a for sure draw and there is an OTC option for bears. In Idaho several units are OTC for elk, mule, bears, lion and wolf. Utah has OTC option and easy draw tags Especially if you are willing to hunt on a management tag. AZ has units that if you can brace the cold in fourth You can drawn with minimal points. CO more OTC options then draw. I guess posts like the one a while back about being a millionaire to have to hunt mulies/out west rubs me wrong way.... I want to call it just flat being lazy I can think of four states I could hunt Mulies on public with OTC or easy draw tag.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/23/17 06:33 PM
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Yep. The currency I don't have enough of is not $$, but time.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/23/17 06:52 PM
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I'm definitely lazy. But if I have a hunt to prepare for, I'm slightly less lazy and will definitely get into at least marginally better shape. I haven't spent a whole lot of time planning/applying for stuff with a 95 year old mother with very advanced dementia just in the next neighborhood in a care/hospice home, but as tough as her body is, she'll outlive me at this rate. The doctor and nurses can't even figure out how she is maintaining her weight and getting around as well as she is. Shawheel's sweet wife asked me to plan a guided trip as a surprise for him, so I figured I'd roll the dice and set something up. Two Bears outfitting seems to be a quality outfit and I've killed a couple of bulls in Montana and have also been to this area before. That's the only real elk hunting experience I have, save the Bataan death march Sneaky led in CO.  I definitely want to do more western state hunting soon, before the normal aging process takes its toll. I'm already having to figure out how to take (and power) a dam CPAP so at least Shawheel and everyone else (and the horses) in camp can get some sleep. Left rotator cuff has been keeping me awake the last week, so I'm also trying to decide to see someone and have it cut on early, so I can heal, or do I just, as one of our oldest old farts on here suggests, just "man up"?
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/23/17 07:37 PM
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I'm definitely lazy. But if I have a hunt to prepare for, I'm slightly less lazy and will definitely get into at least marginally better shape. I haven't spent a whole lot of time planning/applying for stuff with a 95 year old mother with very advanced dementia just in the next neighborhood in a care/hospice home, but as tough as her body is, she'll outlive me at this rate. The doctor and nurses can't even figure out how she is maintaining her weight and getting around as well as she is. Shawheel's sweet wife asked me to plan a guided trip as a surprise for him, so I figured I'd roll the dice and set something up. Two Bears outfitting seems to be a quality outfit and I've killed a couple of bulls in Montana and have also been to this area before. That's the only real elk hunting experience I have, save the Bataan death march Sneaky led in CO. I definitely want to do more western state hunting soon, before the normal aging process takes its toll. I'm already having to figure out how to take (and power) a dam CPAP so at least Shawheel and everyone else (and the horses) in camp can get some sleep. Left rotator cuff has been keeping me awake the last week, so I'm also trying to decide to see someone and have it cut on early, so I can heal, or do I just, as one of our oldest old farts on here suggests, just "man up"? Take great pics!!! And no mater what enjoy the hunt. I hope you smoke a stud in addition to a great trip
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/23/17 08:00 PM
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As of right now it is showing I wasnt drawn for the unit I applied for. That is 2 years in a row for a unit that has about an 85% successful draw rate. Good grief.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
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04/23/17 08:11 PM
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As of right now it is showing I wasnt drawn for the unit I applied for. That is 2 years in a row for a unit that has about an 85% successful draw rate. Good grief. You are more then welcome the apply with me. I'm betting your luck is better then mine.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: 1860.colt]
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04/25/17 05:52 PM
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I don't hunt/support states that do draw hunts. If everyone did it too they would all go back to OTC. I couldn't disagree more with this statement. OTC will decimate a population quick in states that are highly sought after. Some states dont have population resources like the WT population that TX has. Can you imagine what Iowa's WT population would look like with OTC tags for NR? Many NR's will kill a young animal just to say they killed on their trip and feel successful. The Iowa DNR does a great job of managing their deer herd. AZ does a great job managing their elk herd. IMO, more states should model their lotteries like Iowa. I say this and I hunt out of state every yr and this would hurt my hunting opportunities but I would support it. This is just my opinion and not supported by facts in any way. To the OP, best of luck figuring this out. as a low income hunter , always hearing about how bad times are from those who have it better... If it was legal, it was successful... He payed for the tag... legal = successful, correct. But would you be happy you paid $6K for a 97" 6 pt from Kansas? I would be ashamed of myself. The argument of meat hunter doesn't apply here. Ppl who hunt these types of hunts are not hunting for the meat alone.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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04/28/17 04:03 PM
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I've yet to start playing the draws. I'm hoping fall 2018 im on a moose hunt in Alaska after that I will probably start swinging for the fences in the gilla and some of the better Arizona Units and doing the OTC Colorado stuff till I get enough points.
Good luck on getting on next year bud no matter what you decide and from what I've read with draw hunting always have you a good plan B.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
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NP is right there's a ton of opportunities out there and most aren't as expensive as you think if you do the work on your own, both at the desk and on the mountain. I was overwhelmed at first thinking I could never survive in the mountains or hike those miles or even find a deer or elk but if you are a hunter the skills you have will translate to anywhere. Now before everybody gets all pissy at me I mean no disrespect to anyone but when I say hunter I don't mean sit in your stand and watch corn, I mean get out there and hump it. Walk the miles, pack the gear, learn to quarter on the ground, understand the consequences when you pull the trigger. A mile is a long ways with an elk quarter on your back after you've hiked all day. You can pay for a hunt with your money or you can pay with your sweat but either way you are gonna pay. This is not a cheap game we play. 
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
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A lot of people on this forum don't know you can hunt four states a year, and with splitting travel expenses with a buddy it would cost you under 4K. Four weeks of hunting four states for 4K.
I think the wall for most aren't the physical aspects, it's just the general idea of not knowing where to start.
If I had enough vacation I could hunt elk, mule deer, pronghorn, and bear four weeks via four states for under 4K every year.
Dead on I do not have enough vacation stacked to do that, family vacation, kill a duck or two, fish tournaments etc etc. But I started deer hunting public on texas and ok, and my big trip is out west elk hunting. I assure you I spend less than the average lease hunter in Texas and I can go shoot all the whitetail I want on invite doe culls. I do not tell people this anymore really. I went from tell everyone I knew that they were foolish for not elk hunting to "uh that stuff is hard and expensive" in about 2 years. The expensive part of elk hunting is getting quality gear together. If you watch the sales, used items and dont wait till last minute you can get it done. When someone sincerely ask me about it I ask is it something you want to do once and bring home a rack or is it something you want to so every year. If it's once pay a guide. But never ever ever but cheap boots. A mistake only made once. This I promise.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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05/09/17 08:31 PM
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Was there ever a solution to this?
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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05/09/17 08:38 PM
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Thanks for checking. Outfitter called them and they assured him I and Shawheel have permits and a license and to ignore what the website says. It's supposed to be impossible to draw a permit if you don't have a license. That was a couple of weeks ago at least. As of a minute ago, the site still shows
Successful
2017 ELK PERMIT
- 270-45 was your 1st choice
Not Successful
2017 GENERAL - ELK COMBO
Sure seems like they would have fixed the site by now. It's one of those things I'm forcing myself not to worry about.
I have it written down to call the outfitter if I don't receive something in the mail by the 25th of this month.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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05/09/17 08:42 PM
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Very nice!! Look forward to some good pics
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
[Re: Creekrunner]
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05/10/17 01:24 AM
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I know we have put in for special draw permits in Ft Peck area and we had to have the license first. I put in my antelope yesterday and already drew deer so hoping to get both and stay a couples weeks. Great country up there!! Good luck to you and anybody else that drew out west.
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Re: #$%^ing Montana elk draw!
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05/10/17 01:41 AM
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That is why I asked early in the thread, didn't make sense, but I never looked into Montana, in any regard, congrats
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