If you want reliable turrets do not buy Zeiss or Swarovski.

Every NF SHV I've looked through I thought the glass was very nice, and it had not trouble to the end of my range. But the turrets seemed a little mushy.

And what's a "target turret"?

It is Mil or MOA, that's it. And MOA or Mil are equally good at elevation corrections, but Mil shines for wind corrections. And you will most likely get on your second rev with MOA one you start going 600+ yards. Not the case with Mil.

SWFA just had the 3-15x42 on sale for $399 for tax day. Honestly, that price for that scope is stupid good. But it's probably not at the same optical level as the rest of the stuff being discussed.

Worth every penny.

I told Skylar they'd have something if they would build a 3-15X with HD glass, and turrets similar to the 5-20 HD. But he doesn't listen to me.

And I KNOW that in order for me to purchase a scope with excellent optics and excellent turrets the cost would run north of $2500.00 and I have no desire to spend that much! Again glass is first for me...turrets are second for this rifle!

He mentioned his budget in the first post.

It's all about JG.......every time.

Missed the budget.

If that's what you think all you have to do is put me on "ignore". I've got several members in that pool myself.

SWFA just had the 3-15x42 on sale for $399 for tax day. Honestly, that price for that scope is stupid good. But it's probably not at the same optical level as the rest of the stuff being discussed.

I don't want to ignore you...or Chad! I have the utmost respect for you both!!!! But I don't set up all my rifles to shoot long range and doubt I will set anymore than the two I already have set up that way. Also I definitely won't shoot a game animal at more than 300 yards...perhaps 400 IF I have a solid front and rear base...I CAN'T shoot prone...neck surgery...

And from a hunting perspective Glass is the most important thing. It seems I've read that glass isn't all that important "because" any scope is good enough to take any shot that's required with the light available to us during legal hunting times....this simply IS NOT ACCURATE! If you've ever hunted in ETX in the woods on an overcast day in an AR county there's PLENTY of time where it becomes pretty tough to see and great glass IS a difference maker!

Again I appreciate and understand where you guys stand on scopes! But for this post,,,knowing glass is the most important of the two I was just looking for opinions based on that criteria.

You asked for help, and you got lots of help. I don't see how the thread was "hijacked". Would you prefer starting a thread, asking for guidance and getting no responses?

And you are very wrong that you have to spend $2500. I shoot from 5 yards to a mile every year, and I don't currently own a rifle scope that costs more than $1300 on the after-market. I know how to make a guy's dollar stretch. And I always try to stay within his budget, which if memory serves you have not mentioned.

I guess no good deed goes unpunished. Maybe I should call Chad and tell him we are not wanted in these types of discussions, despite the fact that between he and I we probably shoot more rifle rounds per year than most people ever will in a lifetime.

Geez.

Not true Fireman and Chad. I have worked in the shooting industry, mostly hunting rifles and handguns for 30 years and learn from you guys posts every time you are on here. I worked for Swarovski for many years in the 90s and what you say is absolutely true. And they know it. This goes for not only their 1" scopes but also for their 30mm scopes. Never enough travel. The problem is the germans seldom listen to anyone and believe their products are the best.
Keep up the good work guys.

Deerhunter61, I'm not sure who your comment is directed to about going on and on, and going off topic from your question. I feel my write up was very thorough about the issues I have had with certain scopes that are known to have great glass.

Also, if simply want great glass with lots of clarity and light coming into the scope, you need to look at a few things. The higher the magnification is, the lower the light transmission is. So, why look at the 20x plus magnification scopes when needing more light transmission. It's counter intuitive. The only way you get more light is to dial down in power, and the low end magnification is often higher than needed on the big mag scopes. I hunt with a 2x-10x scope, and it stays on about 2x-3x when I'm in the stand. If you are in E. Texas, shots are generally shorter anyway, so why 20x or 25x power for this. It doesn't make sense to me. Most hunter over magnify their scopes anyway. You won't be able to get on target with 14x + mag on an animal moving through your hunting area. I have shot MANY moving coyotes on 2x-3x power, simply because the field of view is large enough to see, acquire and make a shot quickly. You can't do that on high magnification.

Also, look at larger front objective scopes, in the 50mm + sizes. These draw in more light for better clarity.

For your $750 price or less, get a Zeiss Conquest. It has great glass. If you want the "Yeti" of scopes, get a Swarovski Z5 5x-25x for $1300-$1500 price.

I'm out.

Sounds like he had his mind made up before posting.