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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
[Re: JSAPP]
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04/10/17 11:20 PM
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Sapper, funny thing is I am in the same boat, most kills from a sounder was 4 and shot with a bolt action 22-250 using an X-sight gen 1....what are the odds.
I think for sure I have killed more pigs than 4 on occasion, just didn't recover them, with my main pig/varmint rig which is a 5.56 AR shooting 55gr soft points and a Thor 336 mounted on it.
I can guarantee I wouldn't have gotten the triple of coyotes I shot a few years back with the bolt action!
And, I am convinced I could drop a few deer with that rig if I needed to.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/10/17 11:45 PM
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"If the young guys want to use an AR, again available in many rounds more powerful than 223, I am just glad they are interested in shooting and hunting and welcome them. If they would benefit from better skills and safety, then help them, but be glad they are on our side."
Well said.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
[Re: Texas Dan]
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04/10/17 11:58 PM
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Yes, very similar to a deer rifle but with a much heavier barrel for increased accuracy.
I seem to remember that at least one of the favored sniper guns was based on the Remington Model 700 design.
Myth that a heavy barrel makes for more accuracy for one shot. It makes for a heavier barrel for consistency after repeated shots. There's also a good chance that Sniper is holding a Winchester model 70. I read the book several years ago, and don't remember exactly the rifle he was carrying.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
[Re: budward]
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04/11/17 12:01 AM
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However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down. That's generally correct. And of the 300 million people in America, the lion's share of ARs out there shoot tighter than those people can shoot.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 12:08 AM
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Sure seems like the people who use the term "trolling" are really just people that can't handle differences of opinion. Quit getting so butt-hurt. It's ok to disagree with someone!
I think the deal is, it's perfectly fine to hunt with a semi-auto in an appropriate cartridge. However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down.
The problem is, a good majority of the people who use semi-auto's are idiots and give the legit hunters a bad rep. What about the old Remington 742? There's no telling how many deer my Grandpa shot with his, and it was a .243. I shoot it every now and then just to connect with him.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
[Re: J.G.]
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04/11/17 12:09 AM
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Yes, very similar to a deer rifle but with a much heavier barrel for increased accuracy.
I seem to remember that at least one of the favored sniper guns was based on the Remington Model 700 design.
Myth that a heavy barrel makes for more accuracy for one shot. It makes for a heavier barrel for consistency after repeated shots. There's also a good chance that Sniper is holding a Winchester model 70. I read the book several years ago, and don't remember exactly the rifle he was carrying. Yes, that is an off the shelf commercial Model 70 Target model. http://www.winchesterguns.com/news/articles/winchester-model-70-in-vietnam.html
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
[Re: J.G.]
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04/11/17 12:11 AM
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However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down. That's generally correct. And of the 300 million people in America, the lion's share of ARs out there shoot tighter than those people can shoot. I have one that can get 3 touching at 100 every time I do my part, but it's a .223 wylde, so it don't count for this discussion.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 12:16 AM
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Yes, very similar to a deer rifle but with a much heavier barrel for increased accuracy.
I seem to remember that at least one of the favored sniper guns was based on the Remington Model 700 design.
Myth that a heavy barrel makes for more accuracy for one shot. It makes for a heavier barrel for consistency after repeated shots. There's also a good chance that Sniper is holding a Winchester model 70. I read the book several years ago, and don't remember exactly the rifle he was carrying. Yes, that is an off the shelf commercial Model 70 Target model. http://www.winchesterguns.com/news/articles/winchester-model-70-in-vietnam.html 
I believe in science and I’m an insufferable [censored] Actually, BBC is pretty damn good "You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 12:27 AM
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Sure seems like the people who use the term "trolling" are really just people that can't handle differences of opinion. Quit getting so butt-hurt. It's ok to disagree with someone!
I think the deal is, it's perfectly fine to hunt with a semi-auto in an appropriate cartridge. However, most will agree a bolt-action just makes more sense and is more accurate hands down.
The problem is, a good majority of the people who use semi-auto's are idiots and give the legit hunters a bad rep. What about the old Remington 742? There's no telling how many deer my Grandpa shot with his, and it was a .243. I shoot it every now and then just to connect with him.  You get it. My go-to for many years has been my old Savage 243. It has literally killed tons of animals. Someday it will belong to one of my Son's.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 12:41 AM
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wow this is still going..........  still going...
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 12:51 AM
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That is a photograph of Lance Corporal Dalton Gunderson, the rifle is a modified Winchester Model 70 Bolt action deer rifle? Doesn't look like he is hunting deer.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 01:12 AM
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 02:57 AM
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Bolt action deer rifle? Doesn't look like he is hunting deer. Could be wrong, but I doubt you'll see a .223 sniper rifle. Just far too light a bullet for single shots made with any distance to them. I know Chris Kyle's favorite was the .300 Win Mag. Chris Kyle wasn't a single gun sniper. He chose the weapon for the job, for which many he used the MK-12 in 5.56. https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/6/18/americas-deadliest-sniper/ Cool article. Here is one quote from it though. "Several times he shot insurgents at close range with 5.56 mm rounds and they did not halt, causing him to question the cartridges effectiveness. That ineffectiveness may have been caused by drugs." So, it's highly ineffective if you feed your deer Buck Crack?
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/11/17 08:57 AM
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I carry an AR-15 for work and I hunt with anything except an AR-15.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 01:51 AM
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I guess it's all been said five times, so everyone is done. 
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 02:00 AM
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I guess it's all been said five times, so everyone is done.  No, it just starts over again and again and again. It never is over. It just starts again.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 02:20 AM
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Real hunters use a bolt. 223 is too small for gophers. 
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 02:37 AM
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Elmer Kieth once described the .270 as a "damned adequate coyote rifle". Granted he was probably doing it to gig Jack O'Connor and his pet rifle...
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 10:54 AM
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Never understood why so many people get so worked up/bothered by internet discussions just because they may have some back-and-forth "heat" to them. 1)It's just an internet forum. Ain't nobody gonna bite anybody. If a thread upsets your sensibilities there are several easy options - not clicking on the "offensive" thread comes to mind. 2)It's hilarious to see folks on here who are obviously all frothing at the mouth calling everyone else "snowflakes", when they are obviously genuinely butthurt simply because someone disagreed with them on a internet forum. Lol, who's the real "snowflake"? 3)With some "heat" always comes "light". Threads with a little "back-and-forth" with different opinions are always a place to discover new perspectives and test old ones. For both "sides". 4)Longer discussion threads are simply more entertaining and engaging. This thread has 1773 views and 157 responses. And that's a bad thing? What do you gripers want? A forum full of "Here's what I'm eating" threads with 5 responses?  Many folks just want to post up, have everyone else agree that they are absolutely spot-on correct, and declare them King of the Topic. It simply doesn't work that way. And it would be a boring place if it did. Maybe I just enjoy the "back-and-forth" because of my profession IDK..... Says the guy that hits the notify button everytime he gets his feelings hurt. 
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 11:57 AM
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Never understood why so many people get so worked up/bothered by internet discussions just because they may have some back-and-forth "heat" to them. 1)It's just an internet forum. Ain't nobody gonna bite anybody. If a thread upsets your sensibilities there are several easy options - not clicking on the "offensive" thread comes to mind. 2)It's hilarious to see folks on here who are obviously all frothing at the mouth calling everyone else "snowflakes", when they are obviously genuinely butthurt simply because someone disagreed with them on a internet forum. Lol, who's the real "snowflake"? 3)With some "heat" always comes "light". Threads with a little "back-and-forth" with different opinions are always a place to discover new perspectives and test old ones. For both "sides". 4)Longer discussion threads are simply more entertaining and engaging. This thread has 1773 views and 157 responses. And that's a bad thing? What do you gripers want? A forum full of "Here's what I'm eating" threads with 5 responses?  Many folks just want to post up, have everyone else agree that they are absolutely spot-on correct, and declare them King of the Topic. It simply doesn't work that way. And it would be a boring place if it did. Maybe I just enjoy the "back-and-forth" because of my profession IDK..... Says the guy that hits the notify button everytime he gets his feelings hurt. That's a lie, troll.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 01:38 PM
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As long as you are proficient with your weapon, I don't care what you hunt with. Here's some entertainment while you ponder these important life questions.... 
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/12/17 07:35 PM
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The way I see it, a supersonic .300 blackout has almost as much energy as a 30/30, which I love as a deer round. I wouldn't try to shoot past 150yds but I have no issue with them.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/13/17 01:48 AM
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They really oughta change this to california hunting forum with all the sissy fits around here. Someone else's opinion on an internet forum should not bother you.
That being said, There is nothing wrong with using an AR style weapon as long as you are shooting an appropriate sized round to ethically, and accurately put down the game animal you are hunting.
But you still look like an idiot toting that AR around in the woods, just saying. Not that you should care what I think.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/13/17 02:11 AM
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You can't fall in love with an AR, it's cold, black, and has no emotion. Just slam, bam, and thank you mam. An old bolt with scars, dent, scratches will talk to you for years. Just like it did with your dad and his dad.
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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer
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04/13/17 11:03 AM
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I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
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