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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: JSAPP] #6728604 04/07/17 06:19 PM
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I can find plenty of pictures of guys who pretty well have their stuff together, with AR's, some pretty talented and knowledgable shooters who fit an entirely different stereotype. Dunno that they would advocate hunting deer with one, but they could decidedly contradict the open carry db's image.

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Originally Posted By: Choctaw
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I kill more pigs a year (about 60) with my bolt than the entire lease next to me does with their AR spray-and pray hunters. And boy do they get excited when they finally get one.
Sorry, the stereotype is out there. The black-gun craze has made for a new type of unrealistic hunters.


This is the paradox of hunting with an autoloader of any kind, not just an AR. Autoloaders are unexcelled for controlled shooting of multiple hogs and coyotes, but only an experienced and practiced rifleman is able to use the capability effectively. Because novices and intermediates wish to be perceived as more advanced than they are, they embrace the equipment and trappings of more experienced hunters.


Exactly what is happening with the LR craze too. Same phenomenon.

And the animals are ones paying the price for it.


Do it like NP does it or you are wrong. rolleyes


Straw man there. A fair reading of everything I have written shows that's not at all what I have said.


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
The polar opposite of the Rifle Snob ( the guy who won't touch a gun unless it wears Grade V Turkish walnut, High gloss Bluing, custom inlays and engraving, with a fine German Optic on top ) is the Call of Duty hunter.

The Call of Duty hunter is a person who didn't grow up hunting, but he wants to prove himself a man so he takes the gun he is most familiar with (AR platform rifles from, Duh, Playing Call of Duty) afield and attempts to mow down animals as if they were the viet cong. Hunting for this guy is all about Image & Machismo and very little about the thrill of the hunt, pursuit of the quarry or the sheer adrenaline rush of the kill....its all about doing it to say he did.


I've hunted with both types, and although the aforementioned hunter can be annoying, I far prefer him to the latter


Think I'd prefer to just hunt with regular old rednecks and stay away from both.

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: syncerus] #6728616 04/07/17 06:25 PM
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I could never make myself believe i needed an ar. i have a 12ga. pump for the house. i have 270,308, 30-30, 444. for deer, elk 22-250 for varmints, 22 for bs
many people like an ar and that is fine


For the record, the AR is easiest rifle on which to mount night vision sights for varmint / hog hunting. This alone gives it a significant advantage over other rifle styles.


already have mine on bolt


when the going gets really tough, I sit down and rest
Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: RockinU] #6728617 04/07/17 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: RockinU
I can find plenty of pictures of guys who pretty well have their stuff together, with AR's, some pretty talented and knowledgable shooters who fit an entirely different stereotype. Dunno that they would advocate hunting deer with one, but they could decidedly contradict the open carry db's image.


There is a retired army guy in AK who loves his AR-10 and uses it for everything from wolves to moose. He is well-known and respected in the hunting community. I would not bat an eye if he were in camp with me.

Why? No need to use a stereotype when the man's skills/know-how are a known quantity.


Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #6728626 04/07/17 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
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I can find plenty of pictures of guys who pretty well have their stuff together, with AR's, some pretty talented and knowledgable shooters who fit an entirely different stereotype. Dunno that they would advocate hunting deer with one, but they could decidedly contradict the open carry db's image.


There is a retired army guy in AK who loves his AR-10 and uses it for everything from wolves to moose. He is well-known and respected in the hunting community. I would not bat an eye if he were in camp with me.

Why? No need to use a stereotype when the man's skills/know-how are a known quantity.


Now this is fair. For a lawyer. grin

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: JSAPP] #6728633 04/07/17 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: JSAPP] #6728644 04/07/17 06:56 PM
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I wrote a long brilliantly insightful post about alienating potential new hunters during an era when we have a declining base of support, and face a growing well organized and financed opposition, but it was disallowed because there was more than 4 quotes. I thought about rewriting it, then realized it's probably not worth the time, grumpy old hunters gonna be grumpy old hunters, and I'm honest enough with myself about myself to know that I probably contribute to that.

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: JSAPP] #6728651 04/07/17 07:04 PM
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Me too. I have to admit that, at the end of the day, more people getting into hunting is almost certainly a net positive. Whoever they are. We need the warm bodies.

My hope is that debates like this cause at least some to realize that, once in - there might be a better way to skin the cat.


Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #6728653 04/07/17 07:06 PM
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When I go the the local rifle range with my walnut stocked bolt actions and see that the vast majority of shooters now are using black rifles, I am encouraged because there are now more guns owners/enthusiasts than there were. This can't be a bad thing for second amendment supporters.

I suppose there will always be some " my way is the best way" attitudes in areas that we all feel passionate about. But IMO, it would be nice if we could do a little less criticizing of each other and a little more supporting of each other. The old hang together, or hang separately thing!

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #6728674 04/07/17 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
No need to use a stereotype when the man's skills/know-how are a known quantity.


Be great if that sentiment was extended to everyone that has earned it.


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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: J.G.] #6728693 04/07/17 07:52 PM
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No need to use a stereotype when the man's skills/know-how are a known quantity.


Be great if that sentiment was extended to everyone that has earned it.


Not sure where you're coming from with that. I have said a dozen times that my LR hunting stereotypes don't apply to you personally - in fact have taken great pains to do so and even set forth why (back-patting you in the process).

Can only surmise you are fishing for me to do so yet again. So consider it done if it makes you feel better.

I get we have gone back and forth about gear but the biggest issue with many LR hunters is shooting at stuff they are just hoping to hit. I don't have any doubts that if you have an animal in your scope you are willing to pull the trigger on it is in grave danger.


Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: RockinU] #6728702 04/07/17 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: RockinU
grumpy old hunters gonna be grumpy old hunters


Hey, I resemble that remark! grin

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #6728704 04/07/17 08:10 PM
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None of that applies. I need nothing from you. Only, stop writing like a hypocrite.


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Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: J.G.] #6728725 04/07/17 08:40 PM
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None of that applies. I need nothing from you. Only, stop writing like a hypocrite.


OK. Kinda hard to not thinking something is going on when you call me out like that. A dozen others on this very thread have said exactly what I have said, yet my posts are always the ones you block quote and respond to. confused2

So the "getting all indignant" act is kinda, say, hypocritical? smile

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I really don't care what rifle a person hunts with. But from my own observations I have seen that there are more poor shots from those that use AR type rifles. And I am not saying everyone that uses it can't shoot, just stating what I have observed here.

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I really don't care what rifle a person hunts with. But from my own observations I have seen that there are more poor shots from those that use AR type rifles. And I am not saying everyone that uses it can't shoot, just stating what I have observed here.


Those that hunt with AR's can't make a quality hunting video either.

Re: Using AR style guns to hunt deer [Re: Nogalus Prairie] #6728777 04/07/17 10:04 PM
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None of that applies. I need nothing from you. Only, stop writing like a hypocrite.


OK. Kinda hard to not thinking something is going on when you call me out like that. A dozen others on this very thread have said exactly what I have said, yet my posts are always the ones you block quote and respond to. confused2

So the "getting all indignant" act is kinda, say, hypocritical? smile



Guess your memory doesn't work.
Forget it, not worth the hassle.


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Although it's not my preferred weapon of choice for hunting whitetail, I just care to have any guy that can accurately shoot their legal weapon.

Come to think of it, I have more difficulty with all the extra stuff hunters want to take into the woods for a three sir than I do with the rifle caliber they are using. And in some other cases, the lack of just quality optics will make a bigger difference over the caliber they are using.

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Why does anyone care what the next person hunts with? Seriously, who gives a damn. I hunt with bolt guns and AR's, just depends what I'm hunting for. Either way it is an appropriate gun for the situation. It is a bit ridiculous the animosity and stereotypes getting thrown out here.

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Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Why does anyone care what the next person hunts with? Seriously, who gives a damn. I hunt won bolt guns and AR's, just depends what I'm hunting for. Either way it is an appropriate gun for the situation.


Some just can't get over the fact that others don't think or do exactly what/like they do. And some....usually the same ones....have no clue of the difference between fact and opinion. Then state their opinion as fact, and criticize others who disagree for pushing back against fact, which is really nothing but their opinion in the first place.

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Originally Posted By: HillbillyDeluxe
Originally Posted By: rexmitchell
Why does anyone care what the next person hunts with? Seriously, who gives a damn. I hunt won bolt guns and AR's, just depends what I'm hunting for. Either way it is an appropriate gun for the situation.


Some just can't get over the fact that others don't think or do exactly what/like they do. And some....usually the same ones....have no clue of the difference between fact and opinion. Then state their opinion as fact, and criticize others who disagree for pushing back against fact, which is really nothing but their opinion in the first place.


Preach!!!


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The fact is that a lot of folks on this thread who own land/ranches for hunting have had a lot of crappy experiences with many AR hunters. And have overall low opinions of them as a result. To the point of not allowing them to set foot on their property.

If one can read, that's apparent.


Originally Posted by Russ79
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


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Originally Posted By: Nogalus Prairie
The fact is that a lot of folks on this thread who own land/ranches for hunting have had a lot of crappy experiences with many AR hunters. And have overall low opinions of them as a result. To the point of not allowing them to set foot on their property.

If one can read, that's apparent.
Especially if the AR is a 300 BLK

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