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Re: HF lease prices [Re: First_Chance] #6721281 03/31/17 11:34 PM
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No. You wouldn't need a deer to 5 acres. You don't need 300 animals to produce 24 trophies. No where close.


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This is an interesting thread. Not one person would believe me if I told you what I hunt and what the cost is.

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This is an interesting thread. Not one person would believe me if I told you what I hunt and what the cost is.


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This is an interesting thread. Not one person would believe me if I told you what I hunt and what the cost is.


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Re: HF lease prices [Re: JLP83] #6721572 04/01/17 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: JLP83
This is an interesting thread. Not one person would believe me if I told you what I hunt and what the cost is.


Please, go on.......

Re: HF lease prices [Re: JLP83] #6721610 04/01/17 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted By: JLP83
This is an interesting thread. Not one person would believe me if I told you what I hunt and what the cost is.


Wrong.


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Re: HF lease prices [Re: therancher] #6721678 04/01/17 12:39 PM
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This is an interesting thread. Not one person would believe me if I told you what I hunt and what the cost is.


Wrong.


X2 - tell us.

Re: HF lease prices [Re: maximus_flavius] #6721705 04/01/17 01:38 PM
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It's really not relevant here. I hunt on a low fence property. Start a new thread and I will play.

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I would believe anything now. People leasing hunting property for $170 per acre when there's plenty out there with trophy native and exotics alike for a fraction of the cost

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I would believe anything now. People leasing hunting property for $170 per acre when there's plenty out there with trophy native and exotics alike for a fraction of the cost


Wow. What part of price per acre is an irrelevant measure can you people not understand???


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Price per acre is a very relevant measure. As is location and quality. Maybe "us people" don't see things exactly the same as you. Jeez

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I would believe anything now. People leasing hunting property for $170 per acre when there's plenty out there with trophy native and exotics alike for a fraction of the cost


Kind of short sided thought process. But then again you are only focusing on a dollar amount.


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Re: HF lease prices [Re: therancher] #6721965 04/01/17 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: therancher
No. You wouldn't need a deer to 5 acres. You don't need 300 animals to produce 24 trophies. No where close.


Based on a 1:1 Buck to Doe ratio....that leaves 150 bucks. Now take 24 of those per year in a range of 5.5-8.5 years old. That means you need approximately 24 bucks in each age class to consistently take 24 per year. So assume 6 age classes times 24 bucks equals 144 bucks necessary to produce 24 "trophies" each and every year. His math is pretty darn close.

I'd love to hear you explain how you can kill 24 trophy bucks every year with a herd that is "no where close" to that number.


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Price per acre is a very relevant measure. As is location and quality. Maybe "us people" don't see things exactly the same as you. Jeez


x2.
Price per acre is the most relevant measure there is. It is the only measure that takes every variable and compounds them into a single number.

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Originally Posted By: 2Gemsranch
Price per acre is a very relevant measure. As is location and quality. Maybe "us people" don't see things exactly the same as you. Jeez


No sir. Price per trophy is what matters. Small high fenced acreage can produce LARGE numbers of trophys. Hence the irrelevance.


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Price per acre is a very relevant measure. As is location and quality. Maybe "us people" don't see things exactly the same as you. Jeez


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Price per acre is the most relevant measure there is. It is the only measure that takes every variable and compounds them into a single number.


No. It's not. Read my response to his post.


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Price per acre is a very relevant measure. As is location and quality. Maybe "us people" don't see things exactly the same as you. Jeez


No sir. Price per trophy is what matters. Small high fenced acreage can produce LARGE numbers of trophys. Hence the irrelevance.


The number of "trophy" bucks per area is reflected in the price per acre to lease. It's just like comparing the sale prices of homes. A nicer home in a nicer neighborhood with nicer finish out has a higher price per square foot than even a larger home in a crappy neighborhood with average finish out. Exact same concept.

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No. You wouldn't need a deer to 5 acres. You don't need 300 animals to produce 24 trophies. No where close.


Based on a 1:1 Buck to Doe ratio....that leaves 150 bucks. Now take 24 of those per year in a range of 5.5-8.5 years old. That means you need approximately 24 bucks in each age class to consistently take 24 per year. So assume 6 age classes times 24 bucks equals 144 bucks necessary to produce 24 "trophies" each and every year. His math is pretty darn close.

I'd love to hear you explain how you can kill 24 trophy bucks every year with a herd that is "no where close" to that number. You damn sure aren't doing it with less than 100 unless your definition of a trophy is different than most.



My bucks are ALL between 150 - 200+ inches at 3 yo. Think about it. I have about 100 does. I am producing 20-30 3 and older bucks each year.

Here's a pic of the 330 acre pasture I'm raising them in. I have 20 plus scimitar, 6 wildebeest, 8 Arabians, 30 or so blackbuck also in that pasture.

I'll accept your apology when you regain a sense of reality.



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Price per acre is a very relevant measure. As is location and quality. Maybe "us people" don't see things exactly the same as you. Jeez


No sir. Price per trophy is what matters. Small high fenced acreage can produce LARGE numbers of trophys. Hence the irrelevance.


The number of "trophy" bucks per area is reflected in the price per acre to lease. It's just like comparing the sale prices of homes. A nicer home in a nicer neighborhood with nicer finish out has a higher price per square foot than even a larger home in a crappy neighborhood with average finish out. Exact same concept.


Thats why the price to lease the 470 acres was 170/acre. And why my point is that the price per trophy is WHY price per acre is irrelevant. Price per trophy dictates price per acre.

I'm gonna have to start charging for your education.


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No. You wouldn't need a deer to 5 acres. You don't need 300 animals to produce 24 trophies. No where close.


Based on a 1:1 Buck to Doe ratio....that leaves 150 bucks. Now take 24 of those per year in a range of 5.5-8.5 years old. That means you need approximately 24 bucks in each age class to consistently take 24 per year. So assume 6 age classes times 24 bucks equals 144 bucks necessary to produce 24 "trophies" each and every year. His math is pretty darn close.

I'd love to hear you explain how you can kill 24 trophy bucks every year with a herd that is "no where close" to that number. You damn sure aren't doing it with less than 100 unless your definition of a trophy is different than most.



My bucks are ALL between 150 - 200+ inches at 3 yo. Think about it. I have about 100 does. I am producing 20-30 3 and older bucks each year.

Here's a pic of the 330 acre pasture I'm raising them in. I have 20 plus scimitar, 6 wildebeest, 8 Arabians, 30 or so blackbuck also in that pasture.

I'll accept your apology when you regain a sense of reality.



Regain MY SENSE OF REALITY??!! LOL....you raise 200 deer in a 330 acre pen and I'm the one who is way off? LMAO.

So you have approximately 200 deer in your 330 acre pen. That is one deer per 1.65 acres. He said one deer per 5 acres which is way less dense than your HF pen. Like I said, you damn sure aren't doing it with less than 100 and I was right.

I don't consider a 3 y.o deer to be a trophy either because he hasn't reached maturity, and I don't consider 200 deer raised in a 330 acre pen to be trophies period.

I'll accept your apology when you learn to use a calculator.

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Price per acre is a very relevant measure. As is location and quality. Maybe "us people" don't see things exactly the same as you. Jeez


No sir. Price per trophy is what matters. Small high fenced acreage can produce LARGE numbers of trophys. Hence the irrelevance.


The number of "trophy" bucks per area is reflected in the price per acre to lease. It's just like comparing the sale prices of homes. A nicer home in a nicer neighborhood with nicer finish out has a higher price per square foot than even a larger home in a crappy neighborhood with average finish out. Exact same concept.


Thats why the price to lease the 470 acres was 170/acre. And why my point is that the price per trophy is WHY price per acre is irrelevant. Price per trophy dictates price per acre.

I'm gonna have to start charging for your education.


Lol. Thank you, you just made my point.....the price per lease was $170 per acre BECAUSE there were more trophy's in that lease. Nobody leases land at "Price per trophy". The final price takes EVERY consideration and variable into account including price per trophy, location, size, terrain, amenities, etc.

Your "education" is as worthless as your opinions. It's not really a hard concept, I'm surprised you can't grasp it.


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And if you are producing 20-30 3 y.o. bucks per year if you have 5-6 age classes then that number is almost exactly the number he mentioned. Once again, thanks for proving my point....that is unless you kill every 3 y.o "trophy" buck on your place every year.

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And if you are producing 20-30 3 y.o. bucks per year if you have 5-6 age classes then that number is almost exactly the number he mentioned. Once again, thanks for proving my point....that is unless you kill every 3 y.o "trophy" buck on your place every year.


Doc you "could" actually get 20-30 6.5 plus year old bucks on 1500. 1:2 D:B ratio and one deer per 7 acres.

At a 1:1 and 1 deer to 10 acres you "could" already pushing 15 bucks in the 6.5 -7.5 plus age group.


You are arguing with a guy that does it for a living, it pretty common practice for anyone that's make living off quantity over quality.


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And if you are producing 20-30 3 y.o. bucks per year if you have 5-6 age classes then that number is almost exactly the number he mentioned. Once again, thanks for proving my point....that is unless you kill every 3 y.o "trophy" buck on your place every year.


Doc you "could" actually get 20-30 6.5 plus year old bucks on 1500. 1:2 D:B ratio and one deer per 7 acres.

At a 1:1 and 1 deer to 10 acres you "could" already pushing 15 bucks in the 6.5 -7.5 plus age group.


You are arguing with a guy that does it for a living, it pretty common practice for anyone that's make living off quantity over quality.


That's exactly what I was saying. If you wanted to consistently kill 24 bucks per year in the "trophy" range, which in my mind is 5.5-8.5 year old bucks you would need to replenish those every year with up and coming age classes. That means you would need about 150 bucks total. Of course you could cut down to 1:2 D:B ratio and run 75 does but that still leaves 225 head which is 1 deer per 7 acres like you said.

My point was that 300 animals is not an outrageous claim and one deer per 5 acres is pretty darn close to what you would actually need. Of course if you are like the rancher and running a livestock operation then you can throw all of that out the window.

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And if you are producing 20-30 3 y.o. bucks per year if you have 5-6 age classes then that number is almost exactly the number he mentioned. Once again, thanks for proving my point....that is unless you kill every 3 y.o "trophy" buck on your place every year.


Doc you "could" actually get 20-30 6.5 plus year old bucks on 1500. 1:2 D:B ratio and one deer per 7 acres.

At a 1:1 and 1 deer to 10 acres you "could" already pushing 15 bucks in the 6.5 -7.5 plus age group.


You are arguing with a guy that does it for a living, it pretty common practice for anyone that's make living off quantity over quality.


That's exactly what I was saying. If you wanted to consistently kill 24 bucks per year in the "trophy" range, which in my mind is 5.5-8.5 year old bucks you would need to replenish those every year with up and coming age classes. That means you would need about 150 bucks total. Of course you could cut down to 1:2 D:B ratio and run 75 does but that still leaves 225 head which is 1 deer per 7 acres like you said.

My point was that 300 animals is not an outrageous claim and one deer per 5 acres is pretty darn close to what you would actually need. Of course if you are like the rancher and running a livestock operation then you can throw all of that out the window.


No You can also do 1-3 just take some time to get there. What your missing is what the size of those mature bucks will be.

With that said lease prices are more about what someone will pay more so then number of bucks. We want to say that it's numbers of bucks but it's actually more so the size then number. General rule "trophy" tag numbers go down when score goes up.

If lease price was about number of trophy bucks we wouldnt see leases with such high hunter density. It's about size opportunity. But this changes when selling hunts.



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