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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 01:50 PM
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It wasn't till I bought an AR that I figured out what was wrong with ARs. And it wasn't a mag poking me in the back for the 100 yard walk to the blind. The AR hunters I had were dressed in military camos, had a pistol strapped to their leg and looked like Inspector Gadget Goes to War. They talked stories of running head shots at 200 yards that was unbelievable. "If 20 pigs come, none will leave" drove me nuts, and "where the red dot points, the bullet goes" were heard more than once. But they couldn't hit a broadside hog at 75 yards in broad daylight with their SBR. After I had an AR and several kills, it was clear... it was the hunter with a problem, not the gun. I have had a few really good AR hunters that have really impressed me. It took a while for the stereotype to wear thin. I still prefer my bolt guns, personal preference. I have to agree, It's not the gun, it's the hunter. Most people I've encountered using AR's are total amateurs who think they are rambo and can drop a pig at 500 yards. And yes, Most have pistols strapped to their hips, knee high snake boots and a machete for good measure. 9 times out of 10, when you see someone using an AR they are clueless. I have nothing against AR 10's in .308, but are there more practical guns for hunting? Absolutely.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 02:07 PM
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What's wrong with knee high snake boots and your EDC weapon in your iwb crossbreed supertuck holster? Lol I'm a noob, ill admit, but I wouldn't take a shot past 200yds because I'm not comfortable with that distance yet.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 02:22 PM
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I have a RR .308 with stainless steel bull barrel. That was my "go to" gun when I lived in Texas and could hunt out of a blind. No way I could lug that boat anchor around the Tennessee woods last year.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 02:42 PM
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It don't think there is anything wrong with it at all. I just don't see the point of taking a $1500 or more rifle/scope into the woods to bang around. I have a safe full of "nice" guns that I enjoy shooting and will go hunting with under the right conditions but my go to rig for whitetail is an old Rem sps with a VXII on it. It takes about 10 min to totally strip it down and clean it. If it rains,falls in the mud/dirt or gets a scratch{it has many} it gets cleaned up and thrown back over my shoulder. I would be sick if I dropped an AR10. That's just me though,you do you!
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 03:40 PM
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I see an AR as more of a tool than the rest of my guns. It isn't pretty to begin with, and it's much tougher, anyway. Nasty conditions would give me all the more reason to take it over my other rifles.
If a man takes a Browning BAR to the woods, by God, he's a deer hunter. Take away the wood and add more capacity to the magazine, and we've got a problem. Now he's using an "assault weapon." Suddenly, the deer have no chance. Sportsmanship is a foregone conclusion. What would Teddy think, you homegrown terrorist?!
It's no wonder at all that gun grabbers have gained as much traction as they have. People, even well-intentioned conservatives, by and large, think with the wrong side of their brain. This is a black and white, common sense kind of issue. Leave emotion and personal preference out of it, except when deciding on a weapon for yourself. Let others shoot what they want. It's their right....for now.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 03:53 PM
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I see an AR as more of a tool than the rest of my guns. It isn't pretty to begin with, and it's much tougher, anyway. Nasty conditions would give me all the more reason to take it over my other rifles.
If a man takes a Browning BAR to the woods, by God, he's a deer hunter. Take away the wood and add more capacity to the magazine, and we've got a problem. Now he's using an "assault weapon." Suddenly, the deer have no chance. Sportsmanship is a foregone conclusion. What would Teddy think, you homegrown terrorist?!
It's no wonder at all that gun grabbers have gained as much traction as they have. People, even well-intentioned conservatives, by and large, think with the wrong side of their brain. This is a black and white, common sense kind of issue. Leave emotion and personal preference out of it, except when deciding on a weapon for yourself. Let others shoot what they want. It's their right....for now. I like this! IMHO Deer don't care what you're shooting. A .308 is still a .308 no matter what it comes out of. If you're an ethical hunter and a good marksman I don't care what you use.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 04:06 PM
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The gun is the tool. I respect the person holding the gun and how they act I agree with this. I don't care what weapon a man chooses to hunt with as long as it is legal and he has taken the time to build skill and become proficient at it. Hunting with ARs has in part developed a stigma due to guys who think the ability to fling multiple shots at an animal in a short time makes up for the ability to actually shoot accurately. But, if used appropriately they are just another rifle. Use an appropriate caliber for the game you're seeking, practice until you can put the bullet where it needs to go, and you can have success.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 04:18 PM
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I'm debating going with an AR platform this season. I hunt pine plantations and most of the land is thick arse brush and pine rows. I'll be taking 10-200 yard shots from hang on stands 20' in trees. Wouldn't a shorter, lighter rifle work best in this situation? I'm debating between a 30/30 and the AR. Will the AR-10 be too heavy for this? Hunting hogs and white tailed deer. What do yall suggest?
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 04:25 PM
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Well i have the 6.8 and bought the 308 last year and use both to hunt with. The main reason i use the ar platform is because of the stock. i like being able to shorten the stock when i have a ton of clothes on or lenghten it if its 80 degress and im in a t shirt. Like was said the deer dont care what kind of gun u shoot em with.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 04:29 PM
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I'm debating going with an AR platform this season. I hunt pine plantations and most of the land is thick arse brush and pine rows. I'll be taking 10-200 yard shots from hang on stands 20' in trees. Wouldn't a shorter, lighter rifle work best in this situation? I'm debating between a 30/30 and the AR. Will the AR-10 be too heavy for this? Hunting hogs and white tailed deer. What do yall suggest? If you're concerned about weight, you could opt for an AR-15. The 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC are both fine deer rounds, and you can build the gun fairly light, if you want. Of course, the .30-30 is great, too.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/03/17 04:34 PM
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Divide and conquer.
LF.....HF AR......non AR Bow.....gun Still hunting......stand/feeder hunting Trophy hunting...... meat hunting Hunt with dogs...... don't hunt with dogs
I'm sure there are a hundred others. Maybe someday we can all ban together and stop trying to measure others against our own ideals.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/06/17 11:58 PM
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I'd go with the 6.8. Good round
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 03:26 AM
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I love my LR-708 for blind hunting, especially when hogs are possible. I see no difference whether you use an AR or bolt action as long as you are proficient with your weapon and the circumstances of the hunt. AR10 is heavy, AR15 6.8 or 6.5 is a handy combination.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 03:30 AM
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I'd much prefer to see more people hunting with a .308 AR over a .223 or 300 blackout AR
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 01:06 PM
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I'd much prefer to see more people hunting with a .308 AR over a .223 or 300 blackout AR My friend hunts with a .223 AR15 soft point for deer, but he ONLy does neck shots. If he misses its a clean miss and the deer is unharmed. BUt i have not seen him miss yet. He waits for the right shot. Me I like my .308 AR - a little more knock down power lol
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 02:21 PM
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I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 02:29 PM
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My wife uses my SIG 716 and is very effective. Now that her shoulder is repaired, she's planning on going back to the Savage 10FM Sierra LW, still in 308. I don't see a problem with it, it's very accurate, easy to shoot, easily suppressed....
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 02:36 PM
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I'd much prefer to see more people hunting with a .308 AR over a .223 or 300 blackout AR My friend hunts with a .223 AR15 soft point for deer, but he ONLy does neck shots. If he misses its a clean miss and the deer is unharmed. BUt i have not seen him miss yet. He waits for the right shot. Me I like my .308 AR - a little more knock down power lol JT, there is no shot like that on a deer. Regardless of where you aim, a miss can get ugly, quick. There is no foolproof "clean kill or clean miss" shot. There's always that gray area that can result in a long suffering deer.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 02:48 PM
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I'd much prefer to see more people hunting with a .308 AR over a .223 or 300 blackout AR My friend hunts with a .223 AR15 soft point for deer, but he ONLy does neck shots. If he misses its a clean miss and the deer is unharmed. BUt i have not seen him miss yet. He waits for the right shot. Me I like my .308 AR - a little more knock down power lol JT, there is no shot like that on a deer. Regardless of where you aim, a miss can get ugly, quick. There is no foolproof "clean kill or clean miss" shot. There's always that gray area that can result in a long suffering deer. Well said. Have witnessed deer with lower jaws blown off from a neighbor's "clean miss." Painful death as they slowly starve. Also had a guy blow a 3" chunk of meat out of a doe's neck this year from that "clean miss." She lived but had a nasty wound for a long time. As hunters we need to quit perpetuating that myth.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 03:24 PM
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Maybe you could read this article as I think these guys may have a clue. AR for Deer Hunting
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 03:54 PM
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I'd much prefer to see more people hunting with a .308 AR over a .223 or 300 blackout AR My friend hunts with a .223 AR15 soft point for deer, but he ONLy does neck shots. If he misses its a clean miss and the deer is unharmed. BUt i have not seen him miss yet. He waits for the right shot. Me I like my .308 AR - a little more knock down power lol JT, there is no shot like that on a deer. Regardless of where you aim, a miss can get ugly, quick. There is no foolproof "clean kill or clean miss" shot. There's always that gray area that can result in a long suffering deer. Well said. Have witnessed deer with lower jaws blown off from a neighbor's "clean miss." Painful death as they slowly starve. Also had a guy blow a 3" chunk of meat out of a doe's neck this year from that "clean miss." She lived but had a nasty wound for a long time. As hunters we need to quit perpetuating that myth. Yep, once you've seen a deer with no lower jaw or the nose missing, you'll think twice about neck shots. There's actually a smaller margin for error there, because on a shot to the vitals, it's actually a relatively large "kill zone" where if the deer reacts to something you weren't anticipating right as you squeeze the trigger and your shot varies a couple of inches, it's still a clean, dead animal. The neck/head area moves a lot and in unpredictable fashion. A doe gets startled by a bird or something right as you pull the trigger on a neck shot, and it can get real ugly, real quick.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 04:34 PM
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Great article. My 308 rides really well because of the ability to customize a really nice sling that keeps the rifle ready at all times but my hands are free and I really don't feel the weight of the gun like so many say is a deterrent to them considering one.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 05:12 PM
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Ive never understood the argument against weight, at least not in the way a typical hunter hunts in this state. In fact, a heavy rifle is a steady rifle. Diversity is a wonderful thing, however, and we get to hunt with whatever we want.
When I sought to build what would be, for me, the most practical all around Texas hunting gun, I ended up with an AR. It is heavy, by many standards, but it hasn't slowed me down any. It's been accurate, fast, and handy. It's been exactly what I wanted it to be.
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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When I sought to build what would be, for me, the most practical all around Texas hunting gun, I ended up with an AR. It is heavy, by many standards, but it hasn't slowed me down any. It's been accurate, fast, and handy. It's been exactly what I wanted it to be. That's me too - I can build it the way I want it for the job at hand. I truly love my Remington 700's but they have been living in the safe except for paper punching days. Plus, the Remingtons were my Dad's and are older than me! I don't have the heart to carry them on bad days when I just pitch the AR in the gun rack on 4 wheeler and don't worry about it.
Cheers, Vern1 Texans since The Old 300 in 1824 NRA Lifetime Member
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Re: .308 in an AR platform for deer... Why the disdain?
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02/07/17 07:45 PM
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Outside of the 'black gun' argument, the only knocks on the AR10 platform are that they're not all standard and they're usually heavy. You are 100% correct on that! Both of you are correct and I am agreeing with you, however, I'm old and this is what I see. A standard rifle..used for pleasure and hunting. A AR rifle, a combat weapon used for overkill. Oh my, hunting with a black rifle is sooo scary.
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