Some people need help. That sounds like a personal problem not a 223-22250 problem.

Iv watched deer be shot with a 30-06 blood everywere and never to be found... also seen some drop in their tracks with a .222... get over it a well placed shot is key to killing anything...

there are only a handful its easier to say which states don't let it that do.... a lot of those states voted for Hillary also

shhhhh...


Don't explain the speed of the projectile and the expansion process...It would be mind blowing

Well looks like things have taken a different turn on this topic!

My experience is the same as Navasot's. I've had "dead" deer go a long way when I clobber them with my 30-06.

If it were not for the .223, a lot of guys wouldn't have as much reason to head to the woods with their camo and army gun.

However far they went, if it had been a .223 with the same bullet/shot placement - the result would have been worse.

"However far they went, if it had been a .223 with the same bullet/shot placement - the result would have been worse."

That is a Farce, and you have absolutely no Proof to substantiate that Claim.

So you have shot a Deer with Both Calibers standing side by side and the .223 wounded animal travel at a further distance under distress.

Excellent question counselor...

Woah woah, counselor... not playing the part of a lawyer is he?

Since when should Texans be concerned about what lesser states do? Some states are shotgun only. Perhaps we should all go to slug guns.

OK, same shot, same bullet. One hitting at 800 ft/lbs and one hitting at 2500 ft/lbs and it's all the same huh?

And have the nerve to call ME a farce?

Apparently this is hard for some, so here's a little visual:

.223,.243,270 Yeah, they're all the same.

Let someone hit you upside the head with a tack hammer, then with a 6lb sledge. Then you will have the "proof" of my statement.

Very good point Nog!

Tac hammer = avg 5 ounce head

6 lb sledge = 96 ounce head

sledge is 19.2 times the weight of the tac hammer.



223 = 55 grain bullet
270 = 130 grain bullet
270 is 2.36 times the weight of the 223

We are talking different proportions here. In the big scheme of things both bullets are tiny in comparison to what we kill with them. Velocity, placement, and constructions mean a lot more to me than caliber or head stamp.

So you don't have the ability to send a round where it's needed so you need a Cannon

I shoot a .264 Win Mag

But when I want to pick up my .223 it drops them right where I hit them...


So again I ask..


How many have you hit side by side and the animal hit with the .223 ran farther


Would you like to see some .223 kills

I can show ya

I don't understand why guys get so bent out of shape about what others guys use then tell them they are wrong especially if the guy has a 100% success rate with whatever he is using. When we had lease hunters those jokers would miss or loose deer every year with various bigger caliber and come back to camp to check zeros throughout the season. Marksmanship is much more important than caliber because if you can't hit your target what does it matter.

I could fill pages of a thread with 223 kills. Maybe they are all photoshopped and I really used a 300mag?

Ha that made my day...I bet he does. Ok so now let's talk about Rage broad heads

It's all about placement. Accuracy. Either you can shoot or you can't. If you can shoot accurately a 60 grain .224 bullet can punch holes in a heart or lung with no problem.

And I was once told that a miss is a miss. Regardless of speed or bullet weight.

Once again ..... either you can shoot or you can't. A bigger club won't dispatch any better if you can't swing it accurately.

Yea a Ball Pen Hammer in the right Hands will do more damage than a Wrecking Ball.

And your video proves a point. Recoil comes into play for some shooters. I know a couple of girls that are magnificent shooters with small caliber rifles but can't hit the side of a barn with a large caliber gun. It's a head game for them. They're afraid of the rifle and jerk the crap out of the trigger. I actually saw one of them close her eyes as she pulled the trigger. And if that comes into play, then YES, the 223 is a better choice than a 270 or 30-06.

You gotta be able to hit your target before you can kill it.

And just for the record, that video is total BS. I own a 416 Rigby and while it kicks like a mule and is uncomfortable to shoot it's very controllable. I have no idea what the rifles in the video are, but I can assure you that most of that is staged for the camera.