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Waiting on chains to rattle #6566674 12/01/16 03:53 AM
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Cut some good lion sign. Sow and her cub.



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Made two sets in this area.


Re: Waiting on chains to rattle [Re: DesertHunting] #6566682 12/01/16 03:57 AM
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Blind trail set






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Flat set with fake scrapes and cat toilet





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Re: Waiting on chains to rattle [Re: DesertHunting] #6568147 12/02/16 12:00 PM
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Those are not lion tracks.

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popcorn

Re: Waiting on chains to rattle [Re: DesertHunting] #6568339 12/02/16 03:04 PM
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I saw one of those larger prints the other day. If it's not a lion what is it?

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I think top two are coyote, third looks small...bobcat probably but I'm betting an expert will chime in shortly.

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That top one is for sure not a cat. It's a dog of some type.

Re: Waiting on chains to rattle [Re: DesertHunting] #6568664 12/02/16 06:51 PM
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I fully understand your thinking and how y'all have come to your conclusions.

Quit looking at the claws, the picture does not show their full story.
Tell me what else the picture tells you. And explain your reasoning.


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Pad looks right on the first one, are they all the same, second set looks canine


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Second looks canine (longer than wide, teardrop shaped toes, claws, lack of 3 lobes on rear pad) but the first pic is confusing. Cant make out the pad, toes almost look circular like a cat instead of dog, and its wider like a cat. But the claws are out. Odd.

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They are all the same. All these tracks were right in a line on the path the sow took to water.

The picture tells the story.

Notice the soil was mud when the track was made. That throws everything off some.

In the first pic, notice the claw marks are nearly perfect circles. This is because cat claws curve down when extended. Looking at the track in person you could see how the claws traveled down into the mud instead of toward the path of travel like a canid. Also, when walking in mud, cats will extend their claws leaving the mark.

In the second pic, both the front and hind foot tracks are seen. The bottom being the front foot and the top being the hind foot. Again the mud has distorted the impression some but the third lobe is visible.

The third pic is of the cub. This soil was dryer than where the sow stepped so the claw marks are just barely pin pricks above the toes and the third lobe is visible.

This is in SW Texas, and still the cub's track is large for a bobcat tom. Plus other sign indicated this is a cub traveling with a sow.

Within twenty eight days, I should have pics of the catch.


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just learned a little bit, thanks for sharing.

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http://www.bear-tracker.com/trackingvideos/cougartrackID/Howtoidentifyacougartrack.htm

Also notice your picture of the lion it has five toes on the front feet. The picture of the dog in your first picture only has four. A lion track only shows four except, when their paws are extended to grasp things. (AKA Killer claw). Also a lion has round tracks and is wider than long, saucer like.
But what distinguishes a cat track, are the three lobes on the rear of each heel pad.

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Re: Waiting on chains to rattle [Re: Buzzard Breath] #6569311 12/03/16 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
just learned a little bit, thanks for sharing.


You are welcome.

I've still got plenty to learn too. If we're not learning, we're dead.


Re: Waiting on chains to rattle [Re: Blackrain] #6569314 12/03/16 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted By: Blackrain
http://www.bear-tracker.com/trackingvideos/cougartrackID/Howtoidentifyacougartrack.htm

Also notice your picture of the lion it has five toes on the front feet. The picture of the dog in your first picture only has four. A lion track only shows four except, when their paws are extended to grasp things. (AKA Killer claw). Also a lion has round tracks and is wider than long, saucer like.
But what distinguishes a cat track, are the three lobes on the rear of each heel pad.


Trust me, the tracks in my pictures are not dog.

The elongated toe that seems to appear is due to the skin between the pad and the claw pushing into the very soft mud when the track was made. And what you call a fifth finger is the dew claw, that yes, is used in grasping. But never in making a track.


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Originally Posted By: MrWood
I saw one of those larger prints the other day. If it's not a lion what is it?


I'd have to see the track and the soil conditions in which it was made in order to help you identify the answer to your question.


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Ever tried 1/8 inch cable snare on top of those smooth jaw new houses? Used to live west of your country and it seemed to decrease power outs.

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Originally Posted By: Canis Guapo
Ever tried 1/8 inch cable snare on top of those smooth jaw new houses? Used to live west of your country and it seemed to decrease power outs.


Yes sir. Using tie wire around the jaws and setting the cable on the extended twist it will throw the cable up the leg. If you attach the swivel far enough up the drag chain, it will close on the leg when the cat jumps giving a better chance of a catch even if the foot is not dedicated to the trap. Helps make sure that a toe catch is still a good catch


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The first track appears to be shaped like a lion but obviously has toenails, so it is a canine. Second looks like a coyote in the mud. Not sure on the others would have to be there.
I was lion hunting last week in the snow in AZ and notice that for some reason some dogs footprints look more like felines but so you really have to look for the toenails. We treed two lions in three days and cut several lion tracks in the snow which makes them 100 times easier to find.
It was a little cold for this old man...-15 degrees on Wednesday morning.
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Yes sir, snow helps a lot. And -15 would be cold for anyone, especially me.

I will not explain myself again, it's not a dog.


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The soft mud is throwing everybody off. Keep us posted DesertHunter with updates. Hopefully you get her

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The soft mud is throwing everybody off. Keep us posted DesertHunter with updates. Hopefully you get her


Yes sir. Thanks. Checked the traps today and she has not been back by yet. About 15 more days maybe.


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Ha! One of few folks I know that knows that trick. I bet we have crossed paths, or have some of the same folk in our history...I must leave it there though...best of luck!

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Thanks, learned some stuff

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