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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/24/16 10:37 PM
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Doe, spike, or AR buck gets it in the head. Mature buck behind the shoulder. In the shoulder messes up too much meat and run the risk of the bullet not exiting and thus no blood trail.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 12:09 AM
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So you've had good performance with the AMAX? Yes I have. I've shot 5 axis bucks from 100 yards out to 350 and they have all dropped where they stood with a shoulder shot. Shot 5 or 6 whitetail and all but one doe dropped; she made it about 40 yards. Probably killed 20 or so hogs and never had to track a single one. All with 120 A-max. But the A-max isn't a good choice in the Creedmoor. That's good to hear. I'm taking my Creedmoor out this weekend and wasn't sure about the 120 AMAX that my rifle shoots really well, 1moa at 200yds. I bought some 129gr Hornady American Hunter and it didn't do well in my rifle at all.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 12:23 AM
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high shoulder shot is as risky as neck shooting, your basically trying to hit the spine, miss that and there no vitals around. aim for heart lungs, shoulder shots are good but to me a perfectly broadside deer through both shoulders is a little to far forward for vitals, i like the best of both worlds, slightly quartering too, hit that shoulder and you get vitals in the middle, slightly quartering away, aim for oppostite shoulder, you get vitals in the middle and shoulder on the way out.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 12:40 AM
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I prefer to bust through shoulders. I don't like watching them run off, even if they run off and die. I like watching them drop where they stand.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 02:51 AM
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I prefer to bust through shoulders. I don't like watching them run off, even if they run off and die. I like watching them drop where they stand.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 03:15 AM
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A 6.8 spc isn't a very hot round I wouldn't be taking shoulder shots with that caliber.
Imo what's causing these failures is low power rounds and improper bullet/game combinations.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 03:18 AM
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A 6.8 spc isn't a very hot round I wouldn't be taking shoulder shots with that round it will punch through pigs and IMO if it kills pigs through the shoulder it will kill deer easily. With that said I prefer my 270 when hunting deer but have killed a deer with my 6.8 shooting 120 SSTs
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 04:16 AM
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Point of the shoulder (break bone). I sometimes shoot high shoulder. If done right they go down immediately. You must hit the spine. Neck shot isn't bad most of the time, but again, you must hit spine.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 04:35 AM
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Break that shoulder. There is only about 3 lbs of deboned meat on the front shoulder. Not worth having to go find one because he could still bolt. I have seen a lot of whitetail deer that were heart or lung punched go several hundred yards and ball up in the thickest stuff they can find. They can't go very far if both front shoulders are broken. X2. Although I like a slight quartering shot over perfectly broadside. Will always take a straight on shot, never had anything take a step with the shot.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 04:36 AM
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To start with, the AMax isn't a good choice in the Creedmoor... To each his own. Creedmoor is correct I have witnessed 3 deer hit with the 140 AMAX and 5 other animals hit with the Berger 140 Hybrid Target and the bullet just did not perform out of a 6.5. I do not know why but it is just what happened.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
[Re: SapperTitan]
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11/25/16 04:38 AM
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A 6.8 spc isn't a very hot round I wouldn't be taking shoulder shots with that round it will punch through pigs and IMO if it kills pigs through the shoulder it will kill deer easily. With that said I prefer my 270 when hunting deer but have killed a deer with my 6.8 shooting 120 SSTs Punch thru pigs where? Shooting a pig in the head/neck and shooting a mature deer in the shoulders isn't the same thing.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 04:45 AM
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Doe, spike, or AR buck gets it in the head. Mature buck behind the shoulder. In the shoulder messes up too much meat and run the risk of the bullet not exiting and thus no blood trail. I like to have my hunters shoot 1/3 up on the far side front leg. The easiest way to do it is as follows: 1. Wait for the Deer to become board side to you 2. You want to shoot for the exit not the entrance, so you want to aim at the front leg on the back side of the deer. Find the front far side leg of the deer place the vertical post of your reticle to match the far side front leg. 3. Always come up from the belly, so start your horizontal bar on your reticle even with the belly of the deer. 4. Bring the reticle up 1/3 into the deer from the belly 5. That is where the heart lungs and the junction of the neck is 6. That is in my opinion the best shoot
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 04:56 AM
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Whitetail get it right behind the shoulder into the pump station.. This area provides the largest margin for error, and may require alterIng the aim point for a deer quartering away from or towards the shooter. In such cases, the shooter should visualize the trajectory of the bullet and adjust the aim point so the bullet will pass through the heart and lungs.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 05:30 AM
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If you're aiming for bone (shoulder) than you can't know where the exit will be. Heart area or neck is soft tissue and you can kinda plan that. Once any bullet hits bone it gets diverted, to some degree. Physics.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 05:53 AM
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In over 20 deer shot in lungs/heart, I have never had any go over 40 yard but I am shooting 165 grain 30.06 Sierra GameKing.
Question to original poster is, is he confident in a 250 yard shot. My 30.06 will drop over 200 yards so I would need to aim high at 250. He could have hit low and broke a leg and it fell. I shot one at 220 high shoulder shot and shot low apparantly and it ran 100 yards like nothing happened but luckily in an open field. I tracked it to where it entered brush and luckily found blood and then blood every few feet. It took 100 yards until his legs broke. 10 minutes later I had a buck pushing itself with no front legs to stand on. He went over 300 yards, 200 yards with no front feet. I got lucky but if I shot him near a brush line I would have never found him.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 01:41 PM
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My daughter shot her first little spike right in the shoulder. He went about 10 feet and dropped. Lots of blood right at impact.the round blew the heart into pieces. Shot with a hand load 308
Chris
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/25/16 02:41 PM
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In over 20 deer shot in lungs/heart, I have never had any go over 40 yard but I am shooting 165 grain 30.06 Sierra GameKing.
Question to original poster is, is he confident in a 250 yard shot. My 30.06 will drop over 200 yards so I would need to aim high at 250. He could have hit low and broke a leg and it fell. I shot one at 220 high shoulder shot and shot low apparantly and it ran 100 yards like nothing happened but luckily in an open field. I tracked it to where it entered brush and luckily found blood and then blood every few feet. It took 100 yards until his legs broke. 10 minutes later I had a buck pushing itself with no front legs to stand on. He went over 300 yards, 200 yards with no front feet. I got lucky but if I shot him near a brush line I would have never found him. Yes, he's very comfortable shooting that distance. But you're right, the shot could have been low.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/27/16 06:59 PM
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Yea High Shoulder never works
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/27/16 07:17 PM
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I tried it for first time and last time with 6.8. On doe who ran off. 120sst round.
The place i hunt is very very thick. Couldnt find it.
I might try it again with 270 or higher round.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/27/16 07:27 PM
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I tried it for first time and last time with 6.8. On doe who ran off. 120sst round.
The place i hunt is very very thick. Couldnt find it.
I might try it again with 270 or higher round. as easy as that combination kills pigs it will kill deer even easier. My thoughts are you slightly missed your mark. Either way it always sucks to lose a deer
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/27/16 07:53 PM
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I am relatively new to hunting, been hunting about 4 years. Reading online, everyone has a different opinion on where the place a shot on deer.
This season my brother shot a great 8 point at 250 yard with the 140 gr AMAX bullet in 6.5 Creedmoor. He said he was aiming high shoulder. We approached the deer and it got up and ran off, thus we lost the buck. There wasn't a single drop of blood. The buck wasn't running well, his front left leg was unusable but still he took off.
Obviously we weren't happy. Then yesterday I had a 110 yard shot on a spike. The spike was facing me. I aimed lower chest, hit him in the heart. He ran maybe 20 yards and went down for good. There was blood everywhere. I shot him with a 95 gr Berger in .243.
My question is, where do y'all aim? How in the heck did we lose that 8 point? I've talked to several people and most of them say aim high should or for neck shots. Well, I shoot with a 7mag. I don't aim for the shoulder on a deer because the 7mag does a lot of damage to the meat...bloodshot meat. I aim behind the shoulder on a deer, and the deer drops in its tracks or run 20 yards then drop.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/27/16 10:11 PM
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I tried it for first time and last time with 6.8. On doe who ran off. 120sst round.
The place i hunt is very very thick. Couldnt find it.
I might try it again with 270 or higher round. as easy as that combination kills pigs it will kill deer even easier. My thoughts are you slightly missed your mark. Either way it always sucks to lose a deer I may have missed my mark, was my first try. Really sucks now my doe season is over.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/28/16 03:14 AM
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Gone to Texas, Your brother most likely hit a little high of where he aimed, causing the bullet to miss the shoulder/spine but hitting close enough to it to temporarily stun the deer. I lost a hog like this once and have had buddies who have had similar experiences as well. 250 yards is a long way to shoot, so I'd recommend waiting for the deer to turn broadside and taking the tried and true behind-the-shoulder shot. This shot offers the most margin of error. I know broadside shots aren't always possible, so if you're confident enough in your shooting ability at whatever range the deer comes out, a quartered to shot is deadly. Aim for the shoulder nearest you and if you hit it, the deer won't go far. Of course this shot has a lower margin of error so use your judgement.
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/28/16 03:39 AM
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My place of aim depends on my set up and my rest. I either shoot neck or break the front shoulders down. Shooting the lungs or awaiting a pass thru to save meat is silly talk. Those axis have a much higher desire to live than a wt. some of y'all act like wt are some mythical tough beast
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Re: Preferred Bullet Placement on Deer
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11/28/16 02:58 PM
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For me, I never take shots out past about 150 yards as I'm getting older and have the entire season to score. And my love of sausage gets bigger each year! I shoot every doe or buck in the head if possible, and my second choice is in the neck where the white meets the grey. I do sometimes want to takes longer shots and envy those that make them. However, if I connect, there is never a question if my shot made it or not. Hope this helps.
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