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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6496217 10/15/16 01:25 PM
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I'm glad a .264 Win Mag doesn't have KD Power roflmao rofl





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Hit him in the spine, I'd guess. I saw exactly the same type reaction from a Buck I shot in the spine with my 220 Swift many years ago.


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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: SniperRAB] #6496233 10/15/16 01:41 PM
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He's waiting to be field dressed. grin

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6496241 10/15/16 01:44 PM
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Knock down power means "Squat" if you don't hit them in a good place.

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6496313 10/15/16 02:45 PM
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Hydrostatic Shock is the Key up


Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: txshntr] #6496789 10/15/16 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: txshntr
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You really love that magazine...

I can just point my 300 UltraMag in the general direction of the deer and they fall down from the percussion alone rofl


Percussion?



My gun is musical rofl

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Originally Posted by East...
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I will get off in a little bit

You shouldnt have said that
Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6496823 10/15/16 10:54 PM
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Localized trauma caused by good bullet placement is extremely important. Hydrostatic shock though can create damage to the central nervous system, mainly the brain, far away from the actual bullet impact area. It does this by causing a sudden, violent increase in blood pressure. This pressure wave travels up the cardiovascular system to areas throughout the entire animal, including the brain, rupturing small blood vessels.
The effects of hydrostatic shock vary on the size of the animal. That's why you may see a small deer go down very quickly, way faster than could be attributed to the local trauma, and a big elk or nilgai run off after a hard hit right in the boiler room.

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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6496910 10/15/16 11:43 PM
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I've gone smaller with my rifle. Now use a 6.5 Creedmoor or 25 06. Drops em every time. Don't understand the need for a 300 win mag for Texas whitetails. But, if guys like it, use it. There isn't one perfect cartridge

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6497338 10/16/16 07:38 AM
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Place a paper plate over vitals, hit the plate, deer will drop.

Shot placement over caliber.

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: sbushee] #6497403 10/16/16 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: sbushee
I've gone smaller with my rifle. Now use a 6.5 Creedmoor or 25 06. Drops em every time. Don't understand the need for a 300 win mag for Texas whitetails. But, if guys like it, use it. There isn't one perfect cartridge


This, except mine are 6.5CM and 6.5x55

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: SniperRAB] #6497453 10/16/16 01:57 PM
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Hydrostatic Shock is the Key up


Agree 100%!

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texan Til I Die] #6497478 10/16/16 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Texan Til I Die
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that my 3/4 ton pickup has plenty of knockdown power. But bullets? Not so much.


Really of all the follow ups to this topic no one quoted this one!! bolt


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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6497743 10/16/16 06:23 PM
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I know if a grizzly was charging me and a I had a 223 and a 300 mag near me I would choose the 300 mag. As far as the physics part of a actual knock down power I don't know but I would think it has something to do with sectional density of the projectile and the rapid absorption of energy the animal receives when its hit with a bullet traveling 2000-3000fps in which case the bullet maintains inside the animal.

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Kpaycheck] #6498011 10/16/16 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: Kpaycheck
Place a paper plate over vitals, hit the plate, deer will drop.

Shot placement over caliber.


I want both. Shot placement up the front leg in the shoulder. Largest area of mass that can accommodate a poor shot. That is why LEO's are taught that if they are going to shoot a bad guy it is in the middle of the chest. Not the leg, not the neck - the largest area that can help account for a poor shot or a gun that is off.

The above coupled with a 180 grain bullet will do the job most every time. It may be overkill on Texas deer but if I am going to take a life of an animal I want to do everything in my power for it to be a clean kill - if I ruin some meat in doing so then so be it.

Last of all we should all try to shoot within our ability and within a range that we are relatively certain we can make the shot. Just my old school thoughts from almost 60 years of hunting and shooting.


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Originally Posted By: Kpaycheck
Place a paper plate over vitals, hit the plate, deer will drop.

Shot placement over caliber.


But it's tough gettin' ' em to stand still while you place a paper plate over their vitals. wink

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6501933 10/19/16 10:41 AM
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I Feed Indian Corn. The deer love it and all the colors make them stay at the feeder longer.
Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6501972 10/19/16 11:39 AM
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"...if I ruin some meat in doing so then so be it."

I have to kindly disagree with this statement (to an extent).

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a deer run 50 yards and then falling over dead but i'm also in the category of thinking a .223 is fine for (my) deer hunting.

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: MckinneyRifleHunter] #6502011 10/19/16 12:10 PM
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Knock down power is super important, but I don't like ruining 1 shred of meat, so I aim for a big branch above the deer's head.

243 doesn't have the same lumberjacking ability as my 7mag.

Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6502025 10/19/16 12:25 PM
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How can y'all debate a concept that has no real definition?

"Knockdown power" is just a phrase some magazine writer came up with years ago to make an article interesting. It's essentially meaningless.


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I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.


Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6502132 10/19/16 01:22 PM
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cheers My .6mm doesn't knock them down. However they do fall down from being shot in the correct place as they are dead.
Works every time. woot


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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: stxranchman] #6502144 10/19/16 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: stxranchman
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Shot placement. Good placement, good results. Bad placement, not so good results.


I shot a doe this past weekend with my weatherby.

I'll save the details but my rifle was shooting way high (later confirmed on paper)

I missed one doe trying a neck shot then shot the next one right behind the shoulder, bullet hit and knocked her stone dead. When I got down there it clipped the top of her back. I'm convinced that the sheer speed of the weatherby round sent enough shock to kill her, had it been my .270 I think she would have got up and ran off



Moral of the story.....shoot a weatherby

Moral of the story.....learn to sight your rifle in before you go on a hunt so you can put the bullet where it needs to be. Not after you whiff a few shots...... grin


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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: Texas Dan] #6502164 10/19/16 01:53 PM
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Knock down power, kinetic energy, I don't know what you want to call it. Ive seen a few deer shot in the guts and unfortunately shot a few in the guts with 270 Winchesters and 30-30's, they all either died on the spot or ran a very short distance with a nasty trail to follow. Have seen one deer gut shot with a 223 and my favorite 60 grain nosler partition. It killed the deer and we found it within hours but it was a very long sparse trail I wish I would have had a dog to follow, at several times we lost the trail and resorted to spreading out before we picked it back up again.

You don't need a cannon, but I am still a firm believer that more bullet, more gun, and more energy is a positive thing for when shots go wrong.


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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: klp] #6502428 10/19/16 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: klp
"...if I ruin some meat in doing so then so be it."

I have to kindly disagree with this statement (to an extent).

I don't think there is anything wrong with having a deer run 50 yards and then falling over dead but i'm also in the category of thinking a .223 is fine for (my) deer hunting.
. I should have clarified. The statement about ruining meat was meant to compare a "safe" shot in the shoulder versus neck shots. Also I use the higher grain load because the deer we hunt are large animals. And if it is a trophy animal I want to do all I can to drop him where he stands. Works for me


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Re: Knockdown power is a myth [Re: GPS] #6502559 10/19/16 05:57 PM
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I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that my 3/4 ton pickup has plenty of knockdown power. But bullets? Not so much.


Really of all the follow ups to this topic no one quoted this one!! bolt


Nothing to criticize.....doesn't say what brand! clap


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cheers My .6mm doesn't knock them down. However they do fall down from being shot in the correct place as they are dead.
Works every time. woot


.6 mm seems small. Kind of like .9 mm. Now, 6mm, that will probably work.


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