Man it took a big turn for the worse. After reading all this stuff, I feel like an idiot for buying a 243 today as another coyote gun.

You did good, the 243 is my choice for coyotes and all other varmints, and has been for about 40 years.

the biggest dear i ever took with with a 223 it was a 16point no typical was at my grandfathers house my cuisine showed up is a state trooper and was showing me is new toy the issued as i was holding it the biggest dam dear i had ever seen it looking like a bush on top i turn and shot it now in New York you can not use a rifle were i live its was shot gun only but we had nucense tags and so did my grand father and dad there you can give your tags to other people to fill for you all you have to do is sign it. any how i put one through the back of his ear i had no intentions of getting it mounted or any deer for that matter of course my cousin had a [censored] fit i fired his duty gun and got the hell out of there in a hurry when we pick put the head once of the brow tines was growing through the noter the user part of the eye socket it was blind in that eye and it had the littlest tail almost looked like it didn't have one when we hung it steer a full field dressing to in clued removing the thought it weighted 269 lbs not the heaviest dear i got but close to it I would not suggest hunting with a223 they will work but your shot place me need to be clean and it wold be better it hit a rib on the way in so it flattens out and mushers the built and does more damage a 243 is the smallest rifle i think i would use or 6.5mm both are great shooting gun I just bout the axis and right out of the box it was drilling them i am having the trigger lightens to 2.5 lbs that i s the lowest the shop will do for insurance purposes but 2.5 is a lot better then the 6lb it came with from the factory then going to do some bolt work an have it glassesded with pillars all for less then a medium rage gun that does not shot as well i like accurate guns i think they are more interesting to me that just my option though I am stuck on wich 7mm-08 to buy not a lot of info on them but i want one.

Had one an was the best shooting gun I have had. Was stolen tho.

I have been avoiding posting on this being the new deer hunter but here I go. When I was a little boy, my cousin killed his first deer with a .22LR and a neck shot. They lived in Texarkana, and yes they were real hillbillies, originally from Missouri. And my stepbrother has killed just about everything that walks on four legs in Texas with a hand-me-down .222. So I see it this way:

The .223 you have, is better than the .30-06 that you don't have. No reason you can't hunt ethically with whatever centerfire rifle you have, as long as you know your limits. If you are browbeating someone like this, shame on you.

BUT

If you are in the market for a deer rifle, and it's gonna be your only rifle, why would you handicap yourself with a .223? Even if recoil is a problem, there are plenty of other cartridges easy on the shoulder that would make a better choice...

This horse was dead. It had a DNR.

Funny, I just read more than ten posts in this thread dated from yesterday

Horses have no fingers, therefore cannot sign a DNR, therefore making it invalid.

Very well stated.

I thought this thread was dead as well, but since it still has life let me answer your question.

The reason that comes to mind for me is the AR platform rifle has a much more cost effective price point when considering ammunition with the 223. And if my daughter had her choice of only one rifle for her deer hunting she would choose the AR15. She really enjoys shooting it which would make it the right choice if we had only one.

My oldest daughter who is my ballerina in the family and doesn't have a desire to hunt even enjoys shooting it except she doesn't like how loud it is even with the ear muffs. Lol.

Nothing unless I had the time and energy to track it...

Cheers

Well headed to the blind at 2 this afternoon I came across a young buck I've got plenty of pics of, promosing 2 yr old. Dead, already stripped clean by the coyotes. A neighbor probably shot it with a 223. And made it over here to waste.

Quite a coincidence. But if that's the case your neighbor needs to shoot better don't you think?

Yes, I agree.

Makes sense to me. You have an AR15, fun to shoot, cheap ammo. If you are a three gun guy (or gal) it makes even more sense. You already have a .223 that you shoot all the time, why woukd you handicap yourself with a brand new .30-06 you've never shot... or that you shoot once a year for deer season...

On the other hand, if you're using these criteria to justify buying that new rifle, more power to you. I'm sure my .243 will kill anything in N.C. up to and including black bear, but I sure would like a Woodsmaster in .30-06. Man those black bear suddenly seem a little more tough... maybe I will get nervous and pull the shot... if I had a .30-06 woodsmaster i'd have more power and 3 more shots as fast as I can pull the trigger. 220 grain corelocts... yeah, baby!
Or maybe if I just want the damn gun I will go and get it anyway regardless

He's probably posting as we speak on another forum that not only has he never lost one, every one he shoots is DRT.

I know this game. I know a guy named charles that plays it a lot. The one where you made your point a long time ago but keep reposting it. Because if you posted last, then of course you win and you are right. After all, that is why this thread is 13 pages long, isn't it?

Meanwhile you are making assumptions about your neighbor, who is hunting with what he's got and who you should probably build an alliance with. Because you are both hunters, conservationists, and advocates of the Second Amendment. But it makes you feel better about yourself to put him down.

This thread is 13 pages long because it was dead and you resurrected it. And have posted 4 times since doing so.

And please don't talk to me about what I do or don't do regarding others like my neighbors. Because you don't know me or what I do/don't do.

Which doesn't stop you from insulting me with pure speculation.

Thank you.

The last 4 pages are from yesterday and today. My posts are all in this last page. But I'll take the credit if you really want me to have it.

I haven't speculated anything. The proof is already in the thread

Or it could have been a bow hunter who has posted here about not being able to find his deer.....a thread that happens almost weekly.

I am as confused as Columbo since this is what you do in numerous threads, including this one.

No, I don't. I just get accused of it by folks who don't like to be contradicted so they immediately take/make everything personal.

Yet you're still posting on this thread..... You must of tossed the mirror out the window last night