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 Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: stxranchman]
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12/30/15 09:12 PM
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30-06 blows body parts off fox and coyotes. Don't want to lose any weight. Most predator contests have a heavy category for coyotes, fox, bobcat. 223s are tack drivers don't get me wrong. I have 2 of them that have specific uses. I'd just never use one for deer when I have a better suited caliber for deer. Good thread. To bad they don't make a 90 grain or even a 110 grain bullet for that 30-06...you would never have to track any predators. 
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 09:17 PM
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Whatever you say, Bobo. I just respond to the words typed on the screen. I know some are blood-oath bound to never contradict one another. I am not in that group.
IMO a .223 is a marginal deer caliber with severe limitations. IMO there is no good reason to use one when even a child or small woman can easily manage the very limited recoil of a caliber like .243, 7mm-08, or .260, all of which offer significant advantages when compared to the .223 - on every shot.
That is not a "fringe" or "radical" opinion to any of the hundreds of hunters I've been associated with, the laws of physics, the reading readily available on the subject, or my own experience.
I'll stick with it, thank you.
P.S. I have neither the need nor desire to "throw my junk up on the table" - despite constant prodding to do so.
Last edited by Nogalus Prairie; 12/30/15 09:25 PM.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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12/30/15 09:30 PM
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Whatever you say, Bobo. I just respond to the words typed on the screen. I know some are blood-oath bound to never contradict one another. I am not in that group.
IMO a .223 is a marginal deer caliber with severe limitations. IMO there is no good reason to use one when even a child or small woman can easily manage the very limited recoil of a caliber like .243, 7mm-08, or .260, all of which offer significant advantages when compared to the .223 - on every shot.
That is not a "fringe" or "radical" opinion to any of the hundreds of hunters I've been associated with, the laws of physics, the reading readily available on the subject, or my own experience.
I'll stick with it, thank you.
P.S. I have neither the need nor desire to "throw my junk up on the table" - despite constant prodding to do so.
Cool you think it's marginal, and others have 100's of punched tags with a 223/22-250. It's not about junk on the table it's about an opinion vs punched tags. Every caliber in the world is only as the shooter. You're anti long range, so there goes your limitions.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 09:34 PM
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If you read my posts I believe you'll see all I've said is there are better suited calibers to kill a deer in my opinion. Will a 223 kill a deer yes, would I use one for deer never. Maybe I'm not as good a shot as the professional deer guides and outfitters that use them to kill 100s of deer a year, with excellent outstanding never miss never have one run off, don't matter if it runs 2 miles and slowly dies, dead is dead . I'm not against the 223 I shoot one religiously for other purposes than deer. This is a great topic.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 09:36 PM
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Doing a thing the same way 1000 times does not make it the definition of the best way.
Just something to think about.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 09:44 PM
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If yall will excuse me, I need to finish writing my next article for Field and Stream. It's got to be sent in by tomorrow evening.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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12/30/15 09:44 PM
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Doing a thing the same way 1000 times does not make it the definition of the best way.
Just something to think about. Lol!!! Somethings people get and sometimes people just have to tell every one the pudding is lieing about the proof. Wants to input limitations and forgets about the anti long range rants.  Back to the pasture for me, I'm going to go kill something while y'all debate the amount of ft lbs needed per pound of the animal to kill it.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
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12/30/15 09:46 PM
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I think if a person has to shoot deer with anything larger in caliber than a 223 they must not have much faith in their shooting ability.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: dogdown23]
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12/30/15 09:48 PM
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If yall will excuse me, I need to finish writing my next article for Field and Stream. It's got to be sent in by tomorrow evening. They sent mine back. I wrote an interesting peice on 30-378WBY and how it's only rival as a whitetail calibers was the 500 nitro
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
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12/30/15 09:49 PM
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I think if a person has to shoot deer with anything larger in caliber than a 223 they must not have much faith in their shooting ability. Yeah, that's it.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 09:50 PM
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Send it to me. I'd like to read it. Sounds interesting
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 09:51 PM
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Kinda wondering why calibers above 223 were ever made now. Let's start a discussion on that.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 09:55 PM
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Writers with experience suck, non-writers with less experience suck, those who write some are "wannabes" and suck, ......... basically if you don't share someone's opinion you suck. That's the way the THF rolls for many. It's all about shot placement - caliber doesn't matter except for those of us who suck and can't shoot anyway. 
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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12/30/15 09:56 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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I think if a person has to shoot deer with anything larger in caliber than a 223 they must not have much faith in their shooting ability. Yeah, that's it. Yea like telling a guy that's killed over 400 deer he got lucky....
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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12/30/15 09:57 PM
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Writers with experience suck, non-writers with less experience suck, those who write some are "wannabes" and suck, ......... basically if you don't share someone's opinion you suck. That's the way the THF rolls for many. It's all about shot placement - caliber doesn't matter except for those of us who suck and can't shoot anyway. You found the mirror, I see
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
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12/30/15 09:57 PM
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Kinda wondering why calibers above 223 were ever made now. Let's start a discussion on that. Easy - for us sucky wannabes with no experience who can't shoot.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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12/30/15 09:59 PM
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Writers with experience suck, non-writers with less experience suck, those who write some are "wannabes" and suck, ......... basically if you don't share someone's opinion you suck. That's the way the THF rolls for many. It's all about shot placement - caliber doesn't matter except for those of us who suck and can't shoot anyway. You found the mirror, I see I know. I'm going to do my "Hailranchers" now - maybe I should make them "Hailstxranchmans" on this one.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 10:05 PM
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
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12/30/15 10:17 PM
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Writers with experience suck, non-writers with less experience suck, those who write some are "wannabes" and suck, ......... basically if you don't share someone's opinion you suck. That's the way the THF rolls for many. It's all about shot placement - caliber doesn't matter except for those of us who suck and can't shoot anyway. You found the mirror, I see I know. I'm going to do my "Hailranchers" now - maybe I should make them "Hailstxranchmans" on this one. You should he was been managing whitetails and guiding for 30 plus years. It's not a hobby for him.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 10:18 PM
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
[Re: Smeb]
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12/30/15 10:26 PM
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Geez, lighten up, boys. Just trying to dial it down with a little humor. Y'all got me way too much under your skin. It's not healthy for you. Photoshop my head on some targets and shoot them with some .223s or something. Maybe it'll make you feel better.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
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12/30/15 10:34 PM
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There used to a be a "road hunter" in Runnels county, I bet he killed as many deer as any of you. At night he preferred a using his 22, because the sound didn't carry as far.  RIP Poncho...
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
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12/30/15 10:47 PM
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I think if a person has to shoot deer with anything larger in caliber than a 223 they must not have much faith in their shooting ability. Lol.
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
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12/30/15 10:53 PM
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Correct shot placement and there will be no deer lost with any caliber. Put the bullet in the wrong place and you will be tracking no matter what the caliber is. You know, folks say that like it's just the answer to all things. When, in reality, it says nothing of real value in the field. I mean, let's advocate to make the .22LR legal for deer. It falls under the heading of "any caliber", right? I love it when these threads follow their predicted progression from: 1)the .223 is too small for deer; to 2)it will work for deer with limitations; to 3)it is the Hammer of Thor and the best deer caliber going (replete with all the "never/hardly lost a deer in my life and they are all/nearly all DRT" stories). Now we even have a guy being made fun of because he prefers his .223 over his .30-06 for varmints - as if that's some outlandish proposition. This place is a riot.  No the riot is when guys come on hear saying a 223 or 22-250 is a joke to hunt with yet they may have only killed 10-20 deer. The riot is they are agruing with guides and ranch managers that literally have culled 50 deer a year via a 223 or 22-250 for last decade plus. So who is right? The want to be Feild and Stream authors or the guys that are taking 50 plus deer a YEAR. 10-20 vs 100-400 deer? Ok Bobo I'm not taking sides, because I don't care what anyone else hunts with, but why do many of the same ranchers and guides that you speak of have a 243 or larger policy? Not because a 223 can't kill a deer but because there is very little room for error with one and people tend to get nervous when shooting at a big buck. I guess y'all are both right. Will a 223 kill a deer, well hell yea it will! Is it ideal in the hands of most people, hell no!
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Re: Hunting w/ 223
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12/30/15 11:22 PM
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Very entertaining. And some good points made. I think a gut shot from 223 or 30.06 is gonna have the same result.
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