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 Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: Navasot]
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11/18/15 07:55 PM
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isn't this basically what tpwd already has in place for the AR counties? they don't designate which tag can be used for your AR buck, but you are basically limited to 1 AR qualifying buck, 1 cull (a buck that has at least one spike antler) and X amount of does depending on county. from what I could understand of your proposal this is basically the same except you allow 1 more spike to be taken, which goes against your stated purpose (letting more bucks walk) of changing the tagging system. the reason tpwd has the tags listed the way they do is so that all tags can be used under all specific county requirements and that's why they added the log on the back of the license where you list all deer you have taken that year. for example, my dad gets the same tags I do even though he hunts in a non-AR county we just use them differently. if you changed it to your idea, a single hunter would be able to kill 4 or 5 bucks if he hunted in a county with ARs and a different county without ARs. That's a lot bucks for one hunter to kill.
if you want to change the definition or a legal AR buck, or put in an exemption to the AR rule for a deer over a certain age, then it might be a good idea. otherwise, I don't see how you are actually changing the current system and you may be allowing each hunter to kill twice as many bucks than he currently can if were able to hunt in more than one county. that's what they are trying to do but you cant expect to make a law about something that involves so much learning and still no one gets it right 100% of the time so basically, he's proposing that in an AR county I could take: 1 unrestricted buck 1 buck that meets AR 1 spike ?????? I don't get ... that's a bad idea all the way around
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 07:57 PM
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Goodluck though and  hope you end up getting it down.. I wouldn't be to upset with being your first year though. this year is very green in most parts and I went from seeing 20-30 deer a day at the first week of October to about 3-5 a day if im lucky... just a good year for the animals.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: rattler03]
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11/18/15 07:59 PM
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isn't this basically what tpwd already has in place for the AR counties? they don't designate which tag can be used for your AR buck, but you are basically limited to 1 AR qualifying buck, 1 cull (a buck that has at least one spike antler) and X amount of does depending on county. from what I could understand of your proposal this is basically the same except you allow 1 more spike to be taken, which goes against your stated purpose (letting more bucks walk) of changing the tagging system. the reason tpwd has the tags listed the way they do is so that all tags can be used under all specific county requirements and that's why they added the log on the back of the license where you list all deer you have taken that year. for example, my dad gets the same tags I do even though he hunts in a non-AR county we just use them differently. if you changed it to your idea, a single hunter would be able to kill 4 or 5 bucks if he hunted in a county with ARs and a different county without ARs. That's a lot bucks for one hunter to kill.
if you want to change the definition or a legal AR buck, or put in an exemption to the AR rule for a deer over a certain age, then it might be a good idea. otherwise, I don't see how you are actually changing the current system and you may be allowing each hunter to kill twice as many bucks than he currently can if were able to hunt in more than one county. that's what they are trying to do but you cant expect to make a law about something that involves so much learning and still no one gets it right 100% of the time so basically, he's proposing that in an AR county I could take: 1 unrestricted buck 1 buck that meets AR 1 spike ?????? I don't get ... that's a bad idea all the way around No that's what TPWD is trying to do. He was saying let them have more options maybe they will choose to shoot a less desirable deer over a young deer with potential.. id be ok with that if that less desirable buck tag had an age limit of say 4yr old on it... and was combined with the unbranched antler tag
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 08:01 PM
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but show those rules to the public and they go 
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: Navasot]
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11/18/15 08:02 PM
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Goodluck though and hope you end up getting it down.. I wouldn't be to upset with being your first year though. this year is very green in most parts and I went from seeing 20-30 deer a day at the first week of October to about 3-5 a day if im lucky... just a good year for the animals. If this was for me, thank you. I am definitely not upset. I have two doe down so far, so my freezer is filling up. I haven't hunted in the 14 years since I joined the military, so just getting some land and getting back out there is great to me. The bucks will come or if not that's alright too. Now my only goal is to get my son his first deer.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: jsplinter]
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11/18/15 08:03 PM
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Goodluck though and hope you end up getting it down.. I wouldn't be to upset with being your first year though. this year is very green in most parts and I went from seeing 20-30 deer a day at the first week of October to about 3-5 a day if im lucky... just a good year for the animals. If this was for me, thank you. I am definitely not upset. I have two doe down so far, so my freezer is filling up. I haven't hunted in the 14 years since I joined the military, so just getting some land and getting back out there is great to me. The bucks will come or if not that's alright too. Now my only goal is to get my son his first deer. 
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: Navasot]
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11/18/15 08:11 PM
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isn't this basically what tpwd already has in place for the AR counties? they don't designate which tag can be used for your AR buck, but you are basically limited to 1 AR qualifying buck, 1 cull (a buck that has at least one spike antler) and X amount of does depending on county. from what I could understand of your proposal this is basically the same except you allow 1 more spike to be taken, which goes against your stated purpose (letting more bucks walk) of changing the tagging system. the reason tpwd has the tags listed the way they do is so that all tags can be used under all specific county requirements and that's why they added the log on the back of the license where you list all deer you have taken that year. for example, my dad gets the same tags I do even though he hunts in a non-AR county we just use them differently. if you changed it to your idea, a single hunter would be able to kill 4 or 5 bucks if he hunted in a county with ARs and a different county without ARs. That's a lot bucks for one hunter to kill.
if you want to change the definition or a legal AR buck, or put in an exemption to the AR rule for a deer over a certain age, then it might be a good idea. otherwise, I don't see how you are actually changing the current system and you may be allowing each hunter to kill twice as many bucks than he currently can if were able to hunt in more than one county. that's what they are trying to do but you cant expect to make a law about something that involves so much learning and still no one gets it right 100% of the time so basically, he's proposing that in an AR county I could take: 1 unrestricted buck 1 buck that meets AR 1 spike ?????? I don't get ... that's a bad idea all the way around No that's what TPWD is trying to do. He was saying let them have more options maybe they will choose to shoot a less desirable deer over a young deer with potential.. id be ok with that if that less desirable buck tag had an age limit of say 4yr old on it... and was combined with the unbranched antler tag so TPWD is considering changing the tagging situation with ARs. huh, that's news to me. it'll be interesting to see what they come up. it could work out to be good as long as they keep it simple. I agree that most hunters aren't going to be able to consistently properly age a 3.5 year old deer versus a 4.5 year old. if you give everyone an AR exemption buck tag, there are going to be a lot of deer killed that were the type of deer ARs were designed to protect.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 08:12 PM
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NO they are trying to let deer get older.. just stating that in general...
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 08:13 PM
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This got all kinds of confused but for the same purpose 
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: Navasot]
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11/18/15 08:14 PM
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NO they are trying to let deer get older.. just stating that in general... they aren't trying to let spikes get older. they are trying to let a certain type of buck, one with branched antlers, to get older.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: rattler03]
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11/18/15 08:16 PM
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NO they are trying to let deer get older.. just stating that in general... they aren't trying to let spikes get older. they are trying to let a certain type of buck, one with branched antlers, to get older. yes the spike thing I see is to let the folks get their meat if wanted.. way I see it at least..
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 08:18 PM
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So, Nav, is TPWD actually thinking of changing the AR rules to something like we've been talking about here? I hadn't heard anything about this until reading this thread.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: rattler03]
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11/18/15 08:20 PM
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So, Nav, is TPWD actually thinking of changing the AR rules to something like we've been talking about here? I hadn't heard anything about this until reading this thread. Nope.. im sure they have thought plenty about it but whats in place is working imo
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: rattler03]
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11/18/15 08:24 PM
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I love AR's. I hunt in coryell county just outside of gaitsville and AR's have really helped the area I hunt. The problem I see now is that once a deer has met the AR (13") the blast them. Where I hunt nobody seems to care about growing older mature deer. They're happy with bragging about their 2 year old 13" buck. My dad and I were talking the other day about how we wish there was a way to implement a rule that extend past AR's and allow for older more mature deer to grow . I realize how convoluted and confusing that'd be though. I'm sitting in a deer stand not seeing any deer as I write this lol
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: Navasot]
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11/18/15 08:28 PM
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So, Nav, is TPWD actually thinking of changing the AR rules to something like we've been talking about here? I hadn't heard anything about this until reading this thread. Nope.. im sure they have thought plenty about it but whats in place is working imo Good! I agree, it'd be nice if they could add in an exemption to the ARs for deer older than a certain age or over a certain weight specific to each region, but I don't think that is going to work out very well. The majority of hunters aren't going to get that judgment right at a high enough percentage to justify changing the rules. It'd be a good change in principle, but in practice I think it would setback a lot of the progress that has been made by implementing ARs. Thanks for clarifying that for me, I was getting worried something let this was actually be considered.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: tx hunter]
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11/18/15 08:28 PM
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I love AR's. I hunt in coryell county just outside of gaitsville and AR's have really helped the area I hunt. The problem I see now is that once a deer has met the AR (13") the blast them. Where I hunt nobody seems to care about growing older mature deer. They're happy with bragging about their 2 year old 13" buck. My dad and I were talking the other day about how we wish there was a way to implement a rule that extend past AR's and allow for older more mature deer to grow . I realize how convoluted and confusing that'd be though. I'm sitting in a deer stand not seeing any deer as I write this lol I just asked a guy at my work what he thought about the AR after reading all of this, he said he liked it. I said I didn't mind it either but the problem with our area is that they get blasted as soon as they reach that point and never really get any bigger. I guess the only good thing we are still getting out of it is that it gives those deer with the good genes a couple years to pass them on before they hit the 13in mark. We are thinking the same thing though.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 08:48 PM
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They are working. Just look at the pictures day in and day out that get posted on this forum. They aren't perfect but neither are we as hunters. Any proposition based on age is just not enforceable. Even the most scientific aging process allows for + or - 1 year.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: jsplinter]
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11/18/15 09:13 PM
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 What happened to the 6 points on one side? I don't mind the AR. This is my first year hunting in Texas though and have yet to shoot a buck. From what information I have gathered it that the central Texas bucks don't grow as big as what some see in other areas. With that said I am worried about really being able to make sure the bucks have the 13in inside spread, to me it can be difficult to tell until you have shot and seen many examples. 186 in buck killed on Ft Hood last year that pretty big for anywhere in America
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 09:16 PM
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IMO it would make more sense to allow for under 13 in deer to be killed on during youth season. That way you allow a kid to kill a cull buck and then maybe a trophy during regular season. Of coarse then you would have the idiots getting all their kids that dont even hunt a license and then hunting off their kids license so that prob wouldnt work either.
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: rattler03]
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11/18/15 09:20 PM
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and with the diversity of hunters out there in knowledge/experience it has to be a simple blanket rule... ^^^^this why complicate a system that has minor flaws at the worst. if it ain't broke - don't fix it and yet they implemented ARs anyway. 
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 09:23 PM
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Hmmmm, here's Arkansas's rules:
"Three-point rule: A legal buck must have both antlers shorter than 2 inches (button buck) or have three or more points on one side of his rack. The three-point rule applies statewide "
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 10:03 PM
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Why not let the landowner with a TPWD approved management plan in place, write the rules and harvest limits for their land.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people? ![[Linked Image]](http://neoswarm.com/images/Bug_Crawling.gif)
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: TXGH]
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11/18/15 10:28 PM
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I like all the discussion..
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
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11/18/15 10:34 PM
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I hunt on the border of Coryell and Lampasas I have seen and shot(at and or killed) some of the biggest deer I have had the chance at in Coryell County, out side of Pidcoke. Hang in there. They are there
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Re: My take on Antler Restrictions and my proposal to better the system.
[Re: BuffaloSpringsRD]
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11/18/15 10:57 PM
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I have seen and shot(at and or killed) some of the biggest deer I have had the chance at in Coryell County, out side of Pidcoke. Hang in there. They are there Makes me feel better. My place is right outside of Pidcoke.
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