Read about Arizonas parks depts. Grand plan to save the bighorns the mountain lions are killing them as quick as they release them, LO are there only hope as the control the predators and hunters on there property because they know whats best for there particular property

AZ is doing something right. They've got a bunch of desert bighorns.

Here you go, just to break your post apart and break you. You are certainly arguing to argue by putting words in my mouth, which is the definition of trolling.



And I asked above (which you didn't read) why did you participate in the program in the first place if you were worried about government intrusion on your private land. I also said above (which you didn't read) that no one is forcing anyone in Texas or Kansas to do these programs (coercion), so your choice and it is the personal choice of many Kansas land owners it is a beneficial and good program for them.



Texas does not have the exact same program as Kansas! The main difference is that in Kansas it is a very open and transparent program widespread in adoption and application. The land owners like it and the public hunters like it. There is very clear documentation, mapping, signage, etc. There is no coercion, how in the hell can a state FORCE you into the program if you don't want to?



You don't know jack about me, I owned land in Kansas and now own land in Oklahoma. I do all the work myself.



Where did I ever say that private land ownership is a travesty? Where did I ever say private land owners should be coerced into a public program like this?

You have 12 hours to find exactly where I said that.

Look Rob, I know you don't like me pointing out the facts about you. But don't blame me. Look at what you're saying. It's really pretty simple. Sad, but really simple.

If any of you would like to see some desert bighorn photos from my families property, send me a PM and I'll text them to you and you can post them. I'm not very good at posting photos. I have several taken by Texas parks and wildlife from helicopter and a few pics of kills.

calling you an idiot gives you too much credit. no wonder you are so grouchy and lash out, I would be too if I lacked the competence to function normally in this world.

my points have consistently been in this thread...

• more hunting opportuntities in Texas would be beneficial to sportsman.
• public lands should allow public hunting opportunities.
• optional land owner programs for public hunters has been successful in Kansas.
• I believe ultimately in land owner rights, but give them an option if they want to participate.
• no land owner should be coerced to do anything they don't want to do.

so since you are arguing with me so violently it must mean you don't want to promote hunting to more sportsman, public lands don't need more public access, land owners shouldn't be given the option to participate in a public program, and land owners should be coerced into doing something they don't want to do.

since I don't think anyone else in this thread would disagree with my main bulleted points above, must mean you are the only kook in the thread that doesn't agree.

You stated you think it's a travesty that Texas doesn't offer more public access to private land.

Then, you used Kansas as a successful example. When I pointed out that Texas in fact has more private land in public programs, and then properly deduced from that,

you must mean a more NM style Gestapo system (since you think we are a travesty, while doing more than Kansas), you lost your mind.

• public lands should allow public hunting opportunities.

how many acres of Texas private land has public hunting access?

• no land owner should be coerced to do anything they don't want to do.

The Kansas WIHA program is only working (in the areas I hunt) since the farmers hate any deer or pronghorn eating their cash crops. The LO's are not interested in game management, public access or success in hunting. They are interested in the money they can get and the hope that every deer dies eating their crops. It works because the farmers have not figured out they can make more money leasing to individual hunters, where they would make more money. They do not care how they get the money as long as the numbers dwindle on game on their crops.
I heard of 2 instances this year where the LO up there were killing deer out of season(12 IIRC on one guy) and another one shooting pronghorns(shooting males instead of females, which make no sense to deplete pop numbers). They have some State Park lands that I tried to hunt early in the ML season but you do not want to be on there on weekends when the numbers of orange vests are out in force and the lead is flying. From what I have seen up there, once deer season starts in Sept the deer never stop running until Jan. The low numbers in Western Kansas are pressured very hard on public lands in those areas with minimal cover.

Texas has a program where they pay landowners a pittance for public access to private land. Over 800,000 acres are supposedly included.

The walk-in hunting access (WIHA) program kicked off in 1995 in an effort to enhance the strong Kansas hunting heritage by providing hunting access to private property. The program has grown to one of the most successful access programs in the country. By 2004, over 1 million acres were enrolled in the program providing countless opportunities for sportsmen to pursue their favorite game at no additional charge.

Yes. Free market capitalist system or mutually beneficial or win-win. Couple years ago I tried to get lease in Eastern Kansas and it seems the brokers have already found the arbitrage potential. It wasn't Illinois $40-80 per acre numbers, but it was pushing $20-30.

this is incorrect! just like about everything else you have posted.

Texas has 900,000 acres available for public access hunting, but most of it is State hunting land, State leased land, and Federal leased land. Only a minority % is private land.

That's bc they only want to give the landowners a fraction of its lease value. There used to be a lot more in our area, but $6-10/ac with caps in people accessing it sounds a lot better than $1.50-3/ac with no idea on who will access it/screw it up.

Rob, Texas has a state lease program I think you would have to have the TPWD public land booklet to figure it out total acerage. There is a bunch but it's mainly bird hunting, which is similar to KS

Shame on the private landowner for trying to make a living. Hanging my head down and walking away in shame of the greedy landowners.

Govt just better get competitive on pricing or acreage will continue to dwindle. A lot around here just got absorbed by established hunting clubs. Nothing wrong with it and usually better managed.

Since you owned land in Kansas, I am sure you leased to WIHA program since you are such a strong advocate of allowing public access to private lands?

It is a perfectly free market with no coercion (as rifleman claims), why in the heck would I want to lease land for public hunting when I bought the land just for my own hunting use? I have said numerous times in the thread that each landowner can decide for themselves.

To counter your argument with a home run, I do lease both properties for grazing/hay, so just like a non-hunting farmer leases the hunting off, I leased the grass off.

It is a perfectly free market with no coercion (as rifleman claims), why in the heck would I want to lease land for public hunting when I bought the land just for my own hunting use? I have said numerous times in the thread that each landowner can decide for themselves.

To counter your argument with a home run, I do lease both properties for grazing/hay, so just like a non-hunting farmer leases the hunting off, I leased the grass off.

Most of the KS leases are in CRP also correct?

That's bc they only want to give the landowners a fraction of its lease value. There used to be a lot more in our area, but $6-10/ac with caps in people accessing it sounds a lot better than $1.50-3/ac with no idea on who will access it/screw it up.

***disclaimer, it's not DBH habitat, but could probably be made that way..they'd be the biggest, fattest, laziest DBH walking the earth.