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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 03:22 PM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer.
Last edited by rattler03; 08/28/15 03:24 PM.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: Simple Searcher]
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08/28/15 07:19 PM
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We booted our problem child off the lease 2 years ago. The current members absorbed the extra cost of the vacant spot, and the place is the best it's ever been. We did the same thing, it is a great lease now. I even kept my spot after I got my own place to hunt. It is great to have hard working people with the same goals and good attitudes on a lease. If you don't want to absorb the cost, finding another leaser is not a problem. This was that one spot on the lease that seems like it always comes open. A guy for a year, a guy for two years, when the rest of us have been on there 15yrs or longer. Eating that last spot keeps us from having to look for a new guy, wonder if he'll fit in, follow the rules, or in this case turn out to be an entitled, self-aggrandizing, bi-polar, cheater, liar, and thief. Wow, that feels good to get off the chest. I gotta come here more often.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: rattler03]
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08/28/15 09:24 PM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. Somehow I don't get excited about hunting a property that I have to get a pre approved email list of the deer that are/aren't ok to shoot.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 10:02 PM
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Joe knew exactly what buck he was shooting and didnt care. We dont list every buck that is a shooter or non shooter but every once in a while there is a buck that everyone knows is young that has great potential that everyone agrees should be on the no hit list. We have all agreed nothing is to be shot under 4.5 yrs old
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/28/15 10:15 PM
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Possibilities are endless whenever 2 or more folks are involved in the same thing, it happens, just have to weed them out.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: rattler03]
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08/29/15 01:31 AM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. We only did that for cull bucks that could be taken. Everybody knew the rules for our place for mature bucks. Yes, there were a few times a younger buck was taken. I'll say I have been guilty of that. I guess the difference on our old place was that all of us were personal friends and didn't give a hard time about it, especially when it was one of the kids. We had pics of cull bucks that were fair game and guest were allowed to take those deer. Even then there were some mistakes, but our rule was, if it is your guest, it comes off on your tag, cull or not. Of course it was actually the guests tag, but that lease member knew and respected that he couldn't take another buck. Seems leases these days are filled a lot of times with folks who don't personally know each other.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: redchevy]
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08/29/15 01:36 AM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. Somehow I don't get excited about hunting a property that I have to get a pre approved email list of the deer that are/aren't ok to shoot. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: rattler03]
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08/29/15 02:04 AM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. LOL- We are on 7,000 acres. Good luck with that.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: redchevy]
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08/30/15 03:21 AM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. Somehow I don't get excited about hunting a property that I have to get a pre approved email list of the deer that are/aren't ok to shoot. Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that and I have never been on a lease that did anything similar to what I described. But, my point is a lot of folks have different opinions of what a mature deer is vs. an up-and-comer, or a cull vs. a deer that is still young. Just having the rules isn't always enough, everybody needs to have the same definitions and the same ability to judge deer in the field. If you don't put in the work ahead of time to get everybody up to speed, then you are going to have problems with hunters taking the wrong deer. Maybe you could put together a picture book like the one I described of previous bucks from the ranch, showing what shooters look like, deer that need one more year, culls, etc. so that they have a visual example of deer from your particular ranch for each hunter to learn how to implement the management plans of your property.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: soonersorlaters]
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08/30/15 03:49 AM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. LOL- We are on 7,000 acres. Good luck with that. There a lot of ranches that size and larger who have rules in place like this.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/31/15 03:00 PM
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Send "Joe" down the road. There are plenty of good management minded folks that will stick with the program looking for a lease like you have. If you ever have two openings let me know.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/31/15 09:48 PM
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Joe should go on down the road talking to himself.. And I'd just absorb the cost. I've put up with way too much BS on leases it's manufactured drama at best. But some have a sense of entitlement and believe the rules do not apply to them. I lease the whole place I'm on now so I don't have to deal with BS. The LO is the best a man could ask for!!
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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08/31/15 11:18 PM
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Joe knew exactly what buck he was shooting and didnt care. We dont list every buck that is a shooter or non shooter but every once in a while there is a buck that everyone knows is young that has great potential that everyone agrees should be on the no hit list. We have all agreed nothing is to be shot under 4.5 yrs old Judging by the posted photos on the forum, many people here have difficulty judging the age of deer.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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09/01/15 03:35 PM
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I would never get on a lease that had "spots" or guys like "Joe". I would pay two or three times the lease rate to avoid "spots" and guys like "Joe".
How come everybody I meet is a deer hunting expert?
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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09/01/15 03:41 PM
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If it were me, I'd run Joe off the lease and spread his annual fee out among the other guys. A little more per man, but then you don't have to deal with Joe.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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09/02/15 12:48 AM
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All of our members enjoy hunting and get the most out of the family experience when a kid takes his/her's first/best deer. I don't think we will have too many issues, but the one thing we all agree on is not pissing off the land owner. We will show the LO print outs of our ideas of mature deer and if he agrees we'll be in business.
1.) Feel thankful you have a place to hunt and enjoy it.
2.) Follow the Owner's rules and possibly have a place for many years to come.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: stxranchman]
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09/02/15 01:14 AM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. LOL- We are on 7,000 acres. Good luck with that. There a lot of ranches that size and larger who have rules in place like this. They must have a Jim Dandy assortment of cameras to be able to monitor every buck and determine what is on / off limits. We supply examples of what should / should not be taken but the idea of "a list" is preposterous. What if the buck I'm looking at is not on said list? He'll be gone before I can scroll through all the pics. I think we may be saying the same thing, only different.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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09/02/15 01:26 AM
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IMO the list helps the members become better hunters. It makes you slow down, observe the animals behavior, and betters the whole experience instead of getting so pumped up and shooting quickly at the first big deer that comes out.
You shouldn't have to look through pictures to recognize a particular buck. Time in the stands and enough game camera evaluation should point out certain antler characteristics when a deer presents itself.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: soonersorlaters]
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09/02/15 01:50 AM
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. LOL- We are on 7,000 acres. Good luck with that. There a lot of ranches that size and larger who have rules in place like this. They must have a Jim Dandy assortment of cameras to be able to monitor every buck and determine what is on / off limits. We supply examples of what should / should not be taken but the idea of "a list" is preposterous. What if the buck I'm looking at is not on said list? He'll be gone before I can scroll through all the pics. I think we may be saying the same thing, only different. we have done it for 8 years and I think our results speak for themselves. Everyone has the freedom to make their own call on a trophy buck if they think it is 6 years or older. But we help that process by many many camera pictures - we post them in our camphouse and we have a Do Not Kill board plus a Kill board. If someone is unsure we encourage (but do not require) them to video the deer and get other opinions on its age. It is structured but our guys like it - last year our trophies taken were all between six years old and 8-9 years old. It can be done
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: tlk]
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09/03/15 02:20 AM
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we have done it for 8 years and I think our results speak for themselves. Everyone has the freedom to make their own call on a trophy buck if they think it is 6 years or older. But we help that process by many many camera pictures - we post them in our camphouse and we have a Do Not Kill board plus a Kill board. If someone is unsure we encourage (but do not require) them to video the deer and get other opinions on its age. It is structured but our guys like it - last year our trophies taken were all between six years old and 8-9 years old. It can be done I don't know where you hunt but where we are in the panhandle,if you see a big buck and want him you had better take him then. Odds are you'll never see him again.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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09/03/15 02:56 AM
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Cut the cancer out of the group, the negativity is contagious. There are plenty of people that are looking to get on a good lease and no reason to keep someone like "Joe." We have a large lease with a lot of members. We have our normal drama of having a big group, but we keep problems to a minimum. Rules are only changed after the season and before money is due for the next season. If there is an issue with 2 people or a group, we sit down like grown men and discuss it. If you don't like it, you don't have to pay your money.
Sounds like the lease boss needs to get on it and take care of the issue.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: soonersorlaters]
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09/03/15 03:17 AM
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stxranchman
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Have a list of rules and management guidelines that each hunter acknowledges and agrees to follow by signing a copy. Also, the lease manager and several of the other more senior members should compile a list w/ game cam photos of bucks that shows shooters and non-shooters for each season. Email the list and photos out before the season starts, and require that each hunter respond via email that they have studied the photos and will follow the harvest guidelines for that season.
Not only will this provide hard, visual evidence of which bucks are off limits for each season, but it eliminate the problem of different hunters having different opinions of how to follow your original management/harvest guidelines. I've found that a lot of guys can read the same statements about deer management and have significantly different interpretations of what kind of deer represents what is being describing in your formal management plan. Hunter A may know not to shoot a nice 3.5 year old buck because he hasn't reached his full potential, but Hunter B may see the same buck and age him at 4.5+ years old and shoot him. Hunter B thinks he was following the rules and didn't do anything wrong, but Hunter A is pissed because a promising younger buck was killed. I have found that most people want to follow the rules, its just a very few "bad apples" that purposefully disobey clearly stated rules. Providing pictures of specific deer to visually show what you are talking about in your management plan should help to eliminate the difference in opinions about aging/harvesting deer. LOL- We are on 7,000 acres. Good luck with that. There a lot of ranches that size and larger who have rules in place like this. They must have a Jim Dandy assortment of cameras to be able to monitor every buck and determine what is on / off limits. We supply examples of what should / should not be taken but the idea of "a list" is preposterous. What if the buck I'm looking at is not on said list? He'll be gone before I can scroll through all the pics. I think we may be saying the same thing, only different. One ranch has 48 cameras running on 11,000 acres. So yes they can monitor every buck they have on camera. Sitting in blinds and taking videos/pictures and then flying helicopter survey also taking pics helps also. One person makes the calls on bucks killed or let live till they mature. They keep pictures from year to year and that give them a history trail on buck. If they loose one for a year or two they can go back into old pics to find them. Sometimes they can't.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: hookemhorns]
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09/03/15 03:23 AM
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titan2232
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Seeing the same bucks year after year is what I'm looking forward to. Watching bucks grow into a mature animal isn't something I've been able to do on the old ranch.
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: MikeC]
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we have done it for 8 years and I think our results speak for themselves. Everyone has the freedom to make their own call on a trophy buck if they think it is 6 years or older. But we help that process by many many camera pictures - we post them in our camphouse and we have a Do Not Kill board plus a Kill board. If someone is unsure we encourage (but do not require) them to video the deer and get other opinions on its age. It is structured but our guys like it - last year our trophies taken were all between six years old and 8-9 years old. It can be done I don't know where you hunt but where we are in the panhandle,if you see a big buck and want him you had better take him then. Odds are you'll never see him again. I understand - and as stated here many times before it is all relative. Different ranches, different leases, different people with different objectives. The beauty is a hunter can seek out what type of hunting they are looking for and join a lease that is run in the manner that fits them. Problems arise when someone knowingly gets on a lease that they don't buy into the way it is run but get on it anyway and then disregard the set up
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Re: Dealing with people on lease
[Re: stxranchman]
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09/03/15 12:44 PM
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One ranch has 48 cameras running on 11,000 acres. So yes they can monitor every buck they have on camera. Sitting in blinds and taking videos/pictures and then flying helicopter survey also taking pics helps also. One person makes the calls on bucks killed or let live till they mature. They keep pictures from year to year and that give them a history trail on buck. If they loose one for a year or two they can go back into old pics to find them. Sometimes they can't.
We have 24 cameras running on 1,800 acres. Also take photos during the helicopter survey. All photos of bucks are printed off and put into a binder before the season begins. On each page we write the age and "HOLD" or "KILL". But this isn't a lease. Just trying to manage for the best deer we can.
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